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    I stopped reading after this:

    Its single fuel-air explosive warhead packs 200 to 500 kilotons.
    So the Chinese have developed a Fuel-Air explosive more powerful than 10 to 25 Hiroshima bombs? Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    We know the DF-21D needs mid course correction. Within this context, that means a ship that is half way between launch point and the target. How that ship stay alive before it can correct the course is beyond me.
    Why does it have to be a ship?

    Why not a network of sensors and communication nodes (over the horizon radar sources, existing satellites, tactical launched micro satellites, aircraft, UAVs, UUV gliders, bouys, etc.)?




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    If you have that in the first place, why need mid course correction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT View Post
    I wouldn't want anybody to think I am being even a little alarmist in this. I don't think the USN and PLA(N) are anywhere near kicking off a new big shooting war in the SCS or any where else in the near future. But I would expect some more semi-hostile gamesmanship like that event ~3 years ago when a Chinese sub tore a towed sonar array off the stern of the USS John S. McCain (DDG-56) in the water between Scarborough Shoal and Subic Bay.
    Honestly, there is nothing new there. Those games have been going on longer than I can remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo Ferrari View Post
    Even if you had force, if you do not know HOW to use it, it is useless......

    People's Liberation Army frigate Nansha stranded

    Chinese Frigate ‘Stranded’ in Disputed Waters

    BEIJING — A Chinese naval frigate has run aground while patrolling disputed waters in the South China Sea, the defense ministry said July 13, amid tensions with the Philippines over territorial claims.

    The ship was on “routine patrol” when it became stranded near Half Moon Shoal in the Spratly Islands on July 11, the ministry said in a statement posted on its website.

    The shoal is off the Philippine island of Palawan.

    No one was injured in the accident and the People’s Liberation Army’s Navy was now organizing a rescue, the statement said, but gave no further details.

    The Sydney Morning Herald on July 13 quoted Western diplomatic sources as saying the frigate, which has been discouraging fishing boats from the Philippines from entering the area, was “thoroughly stuck.”

    Chinese Frigate ‘Stranded’ in Disputed Waters | Defense News | defensenews.com

    The next time Chinis want to claim other's land, at least avoid looking like an idiot when you do it.

    Chinese Frigate ‘Stranded’ in Disputed Waters | Defense News | defensenews.com
    Not sure how the grounding of a single Frigate invalidates the entire Chinese navy?

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    Certainly the DF-21D will cause some rework in tactics, but a Badger/Backfire strike has always scared me more than a land launched missile.

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    hey guys, here are some updates on the China Navy.

    Third 071 YUZHAO Class Amphibious Transport Dock LPD is entering service, women crew members
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    052D LUYANG III-Class DDG

    Type 052D LUYANG III-Class DDG, what we do know so far
    There are two under construction -- they are sporting a new 130mm main gun and a set of much larger radar arrays

    According to people who have seen the ship at HSH here are the observations.

    1. Main mast is slightly different on the top, similar to 054A.
    2. The space between the aft mast and aft VLS is still there, indicating no extended VLS area and probably still gonna have the two quad pack YJ62.
    3. Nothing is installed on top of the hangar, indicating it'll be HQ10 not the deck penetrating 730.
    4. Aft mast is the same so it's still the good ole 517 radar.

    Here is a interesting diagram showing the main gun is moved forward by a little bit compare to the 052C, also shows how massive the new arrays are.
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    Type 054A FFG program has ended with with 16 copies, 18 if the two Type054 are included.


    Number Pennant No Name Builder Launched Commissioned Fleet Status
    1 530 徐州 / Xuzhou HP 30 September 2006 27 January 2008 East Sea Active
    2 529 舟山 / Zhoushan HD 21 December 2006 3 January 2008 East Sea Active
    3 570 黃山 / Huangshan HP 18 March 2007 13 May 2008 South Sea Active
    4 568 衡阳 / Hengyang HD 23 May 2007 30 June 2008 South Sea Active
    5 571 運城 / Yuncheng HP 8 February 2009 17 January 2010 South Sea Active
    6 569 玉林 / Yulin HD 28 April 2009 1 February 2010 South Sea Active
    7 548 益阳 / Yiyang HP 17 November 2009 26 October 2010 East Sea Active
    8 549 常州 / Changzhou HD 21 May 2010 30 May 2011 East Sea Active
    9 538 烟台 / Yantai HP 24 August 2010 9 June 2011 North Sea Active
    10 546 盐城 / Yancheng HD 27 April 2011 5 June 2012 North Sea Active
    11 572 衡水 / Hengshui [4] HP 21 May 2011 9 July 2012 South Sea Active
    12 573 柳州 / Liuzhou[5] HD 10 December 2011 - South Sea Fitting out
    13 574 临沂 / Linyi HP 13 December 2011 - South Sea Fitting out
    14 550 - HP 9 May 2012 - - Fitting out
    15 547 潍坊 / Weifang[6] HD 9 July 2012 - - Fitting out
    16 - - HD - - - Under construction?


    it is replaced by the 056 Class Corvette program with four yards running in parallel (Shanghai, Guangzhou, Qingdao and Wuhan)
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    Yuan class submarine program, 8 commissioned so far, all with 22nd sub squadron, East Sea fleet. a few more is near completion.
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    PLA(N)'s Type 094 (JIN-class) SSBNs and JL-2 SLBM nukes...

    China submarines to soon carry nukes, draft U.S. report says

    Reuters | Thu Nov 8, 2012 2:01am EST


    (WASHINGTON) - China appears to be within two years of deploying submarine-launched nuclear weapons, adding a new leg to its nuclear arsenal that should lead to arms-reduction talks, a draft report by a congressionally mandated U.S. commission says.

    China in the meantime remains "the most threatening" power in cyberspace and presents the largest challenge to U.S. supply chain integrity, the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission said in a draft of its 2012 report to the U.S. Congress.

    China is alone among the original nuclear weapons states to be expanding its nuclear forces, the report said. The others are the United States, Russia, Britain and France.

    Beijing is "on the cusp of attaining a credible nuclear triad of land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles, submarine-launched ballistic missiles, and air-dropped nuclear bombs," the report says.

    China has had a largely symbolic ballistic missile submarine capability for decades but is only now set to establish a "near-continuous at-sea strategic deterrent," the draft said.

    Chinese President Hu Jintao has made it a priority to modernize the country's navy. China launched its first aircraft carrier, purchased from Ukraine and then refurbished, in September.

    "Building strong national defense and powerful armed forces that are commensurate with China's international standing and meet the needs of its security and development interests is a strategic task of China's modernization drive," Hu said in a speech on Thursday at the opening of the Chinese Communist Party's once-every-five-years congress.

    To address a wide variety of security threats, "we must make major progress in modernizing national defense and the armed forces," Hu said.

    That means China must "complete military mechanization and make major progress in full military IT (information technology) application by 2020," he said.

    The deployment of a hard-to-track, submarine-launched leg of China's nuclear arsenal could have significant consequences in East Asia and beyond. It also could add to tensions between the United States and China, the world's two biggest economies.

    Any Chinese effort to ensure a retaliatory capability against a U.S. nuclear strike "would necessarily affect Indian and Russian perceptions about the potency of their own deterrent capabilities vis-à-vis China," the report said, for instance.

    ARMS CONTROL TALKS URGED

    China is party to many major international pacts and regimes regarding nuclear weapons and materials. But it remains outside of key arms limitation and control conventions, such as the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty signed in April 2010 and the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. The United States historically has approached these bilaterally with Russia.

    The U.S. Congress should require the U.S. State Department to spell out efforts to integrate China into nuclear arms reduction, limitation, and control discussions and agreements, the draft said.

    In addition, Congress should "treat with caution" any proposal to unilaterally reduce operational U.S. nuclear forces without clearer information being made available to the public about China's nuclear stockpile and force posture, it said.

    China is estimated by the Arms Control Association, a private nonpartisan group in Washington, to have 240 nuclear warheads. The United States, by contrast, has some 5,113, including tactical, strategic and nondeployed weapons.

    CHINA DEPLOYING NEW CLASS OF SUBS

    Beijing already has deployed two of as many as five of a new class of nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine. The JIN-class boat is due to carry the JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missile with an estimated range of about 7,400 km (4,600 miles).

    The new submarines and the JL-2 missile will give Chinese forces its "first credible sea-based nuclear capability," the U.S. Defense Department said in its own 2012 annual report to Congress on military and security developments involving China.

    The JL-2 program has faced repeated delays but may reach an initial operating capability within the next two years, according to the Pentagon report, released in May.

    The Pentagon declined to comment directly on China's march toward creating a credible nuclear "triad" involving strategic bombers, intercontinental ballistic missiles and submarine-launched ballistic missiles.

    The final version of the report is to be released next Wednesday by the U.S.-China commission, a 12-member bipartisan group set up in 2000 to report to U.S. lawmakers on security implications of U.S.-China trade.

    The draft, in its section on cyber-related issues, called on the Congress to develop a sanctions regime to penalize specific companies found to engage in, or otherwise benefit from, industrial espionage.

    Congress should define industrial espionage as an illegal subsidy subject to countervailing duties, it added.

    Lawmakers also should craft legislation to boost the security of critical supply chains, "particularly in the context of U.S. government and military procurement," the draft said.
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    Philippines Condemns China's Plan to Search, Seize Vessels in South China Sea

    Simone Orendain - Voice of America
    December 01, 2012

    MANILA — The Philippines says a plan by China's Hainan province to stop and search foreign ships deemed to be illegally in the South China Sea is a "gross violation" of international law and hampers freedom of navigation.

    The Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs is demanding clarification from China over the plans. The department said in a statement it is "especially concerned" by media reports that starting next year, Hainan police will have authority to board, search and possibly seize foreign ships they determine have illegally entered Chinese-claimed waters .

    The statement says that since China claims practically the entire sea, this sort of action would pose a "direct threat to the entire international community" and violates the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea.

    Philippine Congressman Walden Bello, who has been vocal in opposing China's claim, calls it a "flagrant violation of international law."

    "Basically this is one more step in terms of the really, very, very dangerous escalation- this is a dangerous escalation- of the illegal claim of the Chinese government," said Bello.

    Mayor Eugenio Bito-onon of the Kalayaan Group of Islands, which are the Philippines' claimed parts in the Spratlys, also calls the move dangerous. While Hainan province is two day's boat ride northeast, he is skittish about such a plan in waters being shared by several countries.

    "I'm apprehensive because if they do that then that would be for the first time, I think, very contentious because it would already impinge on our freedom of navigation," said Bito-onon.

    Along with the Philippines and China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei all have claims in the sea, which has one of the world's most heavily traversed shipping routes. It is also a rich fishing ground and is believed to hold vast fossil fuel reserves.

    On Friday, the secretary-general of the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) said the Chinese action raises the level of concern and great anxiety.

    Ely Ratner, Asia fellow with the Center for a New American Security, says the plan is worrisome, counter-productive on China's part and may be hard to enforce.

    "They end up leading to serious pushback and diplomatic rancor from the rest of the region," said Ratner.

    China's official news agency quoted a Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Friday as saying the country gives great importance to freedom of navigation.

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    The new submarines and the JL-2 missile will give Chinese forces its "first credible sea-based nuclear capability," the U.S. Defense Department said in its own 2012 annual report to Congress on military and security developments involving China.
    JL-1 has been operational since 1993 on board of an old Xia class, first successful launch took place in 1981. So JL-2 is not the first credible sea-based nuclear capability. While the old Xia boomer does not venture out much and very loud, it is still very much "operational" with two known refits/modernization since 1993.
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    Meals of China’s aircraft carrier face challenges

    (Source: China Military Online) 2013-01-09

      The aircraft carrier is not only a weapon platform but also a huge systematic project. Besides equipment with advanced technologies, such seemingly common factors as meals will also become the key to the overall combat effectiveness, thus needing comprehensive arrangement.

      The aircraft carrier carries at least one or two thousand people and at most five or six thousand people. The consumption of ingredients used to provide so many people with three meals a day is an astronomical figure. Meanwhile, such issues in the training period of the aircraft carrier as food reserves and supplies and palatability of meals will also be considered.

      Therefore, China’s first aircraft carrier will inevitably pose a new challenge to the Navy of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) on how to provide food support for the large surface ship. From the point of view of cooking, western food is relatively easier to make and highly nutritious, but the equipment is complex; Chinese food is delicious and the equipment is comparatively simple, but the cooking process is complex and both the cooking water quantity and pollutant discharge capacity are large.

      For an aircraft carrier carrying thousands of people, traditional cooking methods of Chinese food will put unparalleled pressure on cook staff. It is hard to imagine how much valuable fresh water will be consumed in cleaning vegetables and how much manpower will be needed to cut and cook the vegetables if we make a common dish named Yu-Shiang Shredded Pork (Sautéed with Spicy Garlic Sauce) for all the officers and men on the ship. The standard of the meals abounding in fish and meat on aircraft carriers of the United States is high heat supply and simple processing. Except those of senior officers, the meals of ordinary officers and men are absolutely tasteless, and also do not adapt to China’s specific conditions.

      Therefore, the meals of China’s aircraft carrier will definitely take the road of finished products and combination of Chinese and western food. On one hand, on the huge platform of the aircraft carrier, Chinese food alone can hardly meet the physical demands of officers and men from combat training and also exerts great pressure from its production, and hence it is necessary to introduce some western food, such as fried chicken, western-style pastries and fruit juice. On the other hand, the supply of finished dishes will be further increased to suit the taste of Chinese officers and men. For example, the PLA Daily told that the PLA submarine troop units have used finished collective food. Drawing on the practice of in-flight meals, the food packaged by tinfoil-paper bags needs to be heated only before fried meat-and-vegetable dishes are finished.

      Finished Chinese food is more difficult to prepare than finished western food. But with the constant improvement of China’s food technology and logistical support capability, world-class meals will be definitely available to the officers and men on China’s aircraft carrier.

    (source:mil.cnr.cn)

    Editor:Li Meng
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    LOL, is it a naval ship or a restaurant in Chinatown?

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