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Anders Breivik ,declared insane .
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Everybody's crazy.That's normal
Let's not forget those who used the tragedy to paint their oposition as blood thirsty Breivik wannabees.Let's also not forget those who liked to be more equal than others by pointing THEY were lefties,like the victims,thus they were double struck.Unlike mere humans who are entitled only to one outburst of compassion.
Breivik is a wacko.But the above points to a kind of mass persecutory delusion.Yep,a form of schizofrenia.Sadly,nobody will investigate those types.Way too many of them at large.Those who know don't speak
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by Parihaka View PostThere's nothing to be gained from keeping him alive either.Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.
- John Stuart Mill.
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Originally posted by crooks View PostRight so then we get to the point of is it right for the state to kill anyone, ever? Norway says nei takk, and has for about 150 years.In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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Originally posted by Parihaka View PostMy state regularly kills people. From Afghan/Pakistanis to violent criminals shot in the street to people with treatable illnesses where the hospitals consider the treatment too expensive. Yours?
In any case, all the examples are red herrings and none of the examples involve using the judicial system as an instrument of death, for no positive purpose whatsoever. This is settled law in Norway (and NZ).Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.
- John Stuart Mill.
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Originally posted by crooks View PostThis state has no military deployments bar peacekeeping, has an unarmed police force (and a low rate of crime, whodathunkit?) and a health service where biggest cause of innocents dying is just lack of the newest treatments rather than expense.
In any case, all the examples are red herrings and none of the examples involve using the judicial system as an instrument of death, for no positive purpose whatsoever. This is settled law in Norway (and NZ).
It is entirely pertinent since both your and my state make decisions to kill people on a regular basis on cost, crime and dogma.In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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Parihaka the problem with having different strokes for different folks in the judicial realm is that it gets abused by the people in charge. Politicians will readily jump on the bandwagon of a persons tribulations and ride that person into the abyss for political gain. Guilt or Innocence does not matter to them, political career does. Once you get rolling down the slope of selective justice more innocent people get mowed down then guilty for the sake of marketing. Presumption of innocense is already politically on the curb and skirted around by vote hungry politicians. This is not about Breivik.
I think Norwegians did the right thing, the laws they have are applicable that's it no matter how horrible the situation.
There was a story about how in soviet union they started selective application of the law during Khrushchev reign on small business people whom basically were involved in commerce (which was against the law) 'speculation'. What happened was there was a selective application to a few a group which exchanged money and they were sentenced to be shot based on backward application of the law. Ergo they got sentenced in the beginning for years and then later on that was not enough so they made a "selective application based on aggregeousness of transgression" to simply take their lives even though there was no law for it.
Later on about 3000+ more small business people were executed even though there was no law for it but they were trying to make careers so they petitioned for "selective application of law in their case" as well.
http://translate.google.com/translat...25B2%25D0%25B0Last edited by cyppok; 03 Dec 11,, 20:10.Originally from Sochi, Russia.
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Originally posted by Parihaka View PostYour peacekeepers killed over 300 in the Congo, shoot criminals and Marie O’Connor estimated 14,000 people die each year due to lack of or poor treatment.
It is entirely pertinent since both your and my state make decisions to kill people on a regular basis on cost, crime and dogma.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the death penalty, the deliberate execution of a citizen for crime, which both your state and mine has agreed is an unacceptable form of punishment. Thousands die from health bureaucracy and mal-coverage every year, the way we stop that is a more equitable system and smashing the underlying causes, poverty and income inequality. The way we stop Irish soldiers killing (enemy combatants) is by bringing them home. They way we stop the state from executing people is by not executing them. Simples.Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.
- John Stuart Mill.
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Sorry to nitpick,but there is something fascinating(and to a point revealing)about the way you put it.''The way we stop Irish soldiers killing (enemy combatants) is by bringing them home.'' Heavens,I'm such a weirdo to think that you can stop the killing by winning.Those who know don't speak
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by Mihais View PostSorry to nitpick,but there is something fascinating(and to a point revealing)about the way you put it.''The way we stop Irish soldiers killing (enemy combatants) is by bringing them home.'' Heavens,I'm such a weirdo to think that you can stop the killing by winning.Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.
- John Stuart Mill.
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That's a reasonable statement. There's however something else http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/int...tml#post847370
To be honest,I've yet to see which case is stronger.I guess it depends on whether rationality or emotion is stronger in men as well as in societies at a particular moment.Those who know don't speak
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by crooks View PostI was being facetious, what you say was something of a "well duh" statement. The fact that you had to get such rusty links does show the slight truths of artful over-statement mind you.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the death penalty, the deliberate execution of a citizen for crime, which both your state and mine has agreed is an unacceptable form of punishment. Thousands die from health bureaucracy and mal-coverage every year, the way we stop that is a more equitable system and smashing the underlying causes, poverty and income inequality. The way we stop Irish soldiers killing (enemy combatants) is by bringing them home. They way we stop the state from executing people is by not executing them. Simples.
So what is it about those north of the border that precludes them from the right not to be killed by the state ever? Or are Norwegian mass murderers worth more than your Northern bretheren?In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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It seems that the psychos,uhh,I mean psychiatrists changed their mind.Breivik is not insane,or so they say until the next time. Norway massacre gunman Anders Behring Breivik 'not insane' - TelegraphThose who know don't speak
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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