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  • #31
    Basiji-thingy was confirmed by IRI authorities and the radical student groups are one of the īgroups from whom the akhoond recruit basiji thugs.



    Originally posted by JAD_333 View Post
    Source? Or is that just what you suspect?
    + This is very atypical for Iranians.. http://www.mfa.gov.ir/NewsShow.aspx?...nu=129&lang=en

    Following the protest demonstration by students that led the demonstration to get out of control, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Islamic Republic of Iran expressed regrets for some of the unacceptable behaviors by few demonstrators that were carried out in spite of the efforts made by the police forces and strengthening the forces to protect the Embassy.

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    • #32
      I noticed that too, Mustavaris. Since when does the Iranian regime apologize for anything? AFAIK there is no hostage issue; the British embassy personnel are all safe.

      The regime is looking to garner sympathy, an "us vs. them" feeling, whereby GB, the USA, NATO, and Israel, are "them", and the "us" would include Iran + otherwise moderate ME and SW Asian States. Since few nations would be on board with overt, State-sponsored embassy raids, they can reassure their purported allies... "See? We're reasonable. It really WAS a spontaneous affair."

      Just guessing. There are, I think, two possibilities here.

      1) It was a genuinely spontaneous protest that escalated, and the police stood by and permitted it, to the embarrassment of the regime.

      2) It was planned by the regime with some deniability built in.

      But I highly doubt these were "students." As mentioned, the vast, vast majority of Tehran students are supporters of the Green movement and not huge fans of the Mullocracy and Ahmadinejad.

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      • #33
        IMO, If I had been the Consulate General or their security, I would have had a small bastion of those stout, shovel jawwed British pups for just such an occassion. About 100 of them one would think.

        "Look lads a fox" and toss a few stuffed animal foxes wrapped in meat into that crowd of idiots and watch them run like girls.;)

        Maybe one day these morons will finally figure out its their terror supporting government and their religious idiot supporters that make the world sanction their acess to the civilized world and all it has to offer. One day maybe they will finally flush the regime down the toilet where it belongs.

        Proof positive of all of the peace loving Iranians that live here and every where else beside Iran and dont miss their former government nor its Pathetic lunicy.

        I bet Dinnerjacket skips town after this upcoming poor excuse for elections too. Opps, I could be wrong, who would take him.
        Last edited by Dreadnought; 30 Nov 11,, 18:10.
        Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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        • #34
          One other possibility; formally approved and encouraged protest that got out of hand. The police might not have been notified either.. I have heard from Iranians that during the election protests the basiji and decent police had real fights too, because the police forces tried to keep opposing sides away from each other. But once the authorities stepped in, it changed pretty fast.

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          • #35
            There are 2 different governments in Iran. One (actually 3rd if ranked by authority) is the ineffectual and feckless classic government of president and "his" (there will never be a her as long as present constitution stands) cabinet which has no more power than some staff assigned to run administrative affair and bureaucracy.

            The other one is where the real power resides, is called "House of the Leader" (Bayt e Rahbaree in Persian) The foreign affair and entire armed forces command is constitutionally bestowed to him. He has massive annual budget and cadre of advisers on every single affair required for running the country. Currently 300,000 Basij force with another 600,000 reservists known as plane cloth are under direct command of the leader, all with license to kill.

            It would be impossible to see what happened to British embassy if there wasn't a green light from that House. On the paper they are under the command of IRGC, but events after 2009 election indicated that the basij force is subordinate of and more useful to the leader than any body else.

            So apology from Minister of Foreign Affair who represent the regular government is moot and irrelevant.

            The wild card is the IRGC, they have the money, the weapons and the man power. Although they have been leaning toward supporting the leader so far but they are mostly a fence sitter and well capable of taking over the entire country if things get out of control. So it is possible we wake up one day and see a report in TV showing an IRGC general in full uniform standing on the balcony and waving to chanting crowd. :D

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Aryajet View Post
              There are 2 different governments in Iran. One (actually 3rd if ranked by authority) is the ineffectual and feckless classic government of president and "his" (there will never be a her as long as present constitution stands) cabinet which has no more power than some staff assigned to run administrative affair and bureaucracy.

              The other one is where the real power resides, is called "House of the Leader" (Bayt e Rahbaree in Persian) The foreign affair and entire armed forces command is constitutionally bestowed to him. He has massive annual budget and cadre of advisers on every single affair required for running the country. Currently 300,000 Basij force with another 600,000 reservists known as plane cloth are under direct command of the leader, all with license to kill.

              It would be impossible to see what happened to British embassy if there wasn't a green light from that House. On the paper they are under the command of IRGC, but events after 2009 election indicated that the basij force is subordinate of and more useful to the leader than any body else.

              So apology from Minister of Foreign Affair who represent the regular government is moot and irrelevant.

              The wild card is the IRGC, they have the money, the weapons and the man power. Although they have been leaning toward supporting the leader so far but they are mostly a fence sitter and well capable of taking over the entire country if things get out of control. So it is possible we wake up one day and see a report in TV showing an IRGC general in full uniform standing on the balcony and waving to chanting crowd. :D
              What do you think the chance of them going against the Supreme Leader is?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Gramps View Post
                What do you think the chance of them going against the Supreme Leader is?
                Nowadays it is near impossible to conduct business in Iran without touching some IRGC entity, they are involved in close to 40% of Iran's entire economic activities.
                They run numerous companies and dominate many key industries like, oil & gas, construction, shipping and others. They even own few international airports and refineries, they just acquired and bought 55% of Iran's entire telecommunication infrastructure.
                IRGC is heavily dependent on international financial system and sanctions specially the recent package will inhibit them more from conducting business.

                So to answer your question I say sooner than I would think. Their loyalty is not to the supreme leader but to the flow of money. The moment they feel it is being severely interrupted they will rise and get rid of the culprit.
                Last edited by Aryajet; 30 Nov 11,, 22:02.

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                • #38
                  With the events of the past few days and weeks it will be interesting to watch. Russia, China and North Korea wont turn them away though so the damage maybe limited to that effect.

                  Would love to see assahola and his regime thrown out on their ears. Especially by their own.
                  Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                  • #39
                    So if I'm reading the following correctly, Iran's government(s) is essentially one big corporation loyal to the highest bidder which is:

                    -Ruling under the guise of holy Sharia law and...
                    -Being enforced by the many Islamic fundamentalist entities which despise the very thing they're unwittingly protecting.

                    This doesn't look like a very stable setting.
                    "Draft beer, not people."

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                    • #40
                      + Population that is largely against the state enforcement of dress code/etc.

                      Originally posted by Red Team View Post
                      So if I'm reading the following correctly, Iran's government(s) is essentially one big corporation loyal to the highest bidder which is:

                      -Ruling under the guise of holy Sharia law and...
                      -Being enforced by the many Islamic fundamentalist entities which despise the very thing they're unwittingly protecting.

                      This doesn't look like a very stable setting.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Red Team View Post
                        So if I'm reading the following correctly, Iran's government(s) is essentially one big corporation loyal to the highest bidder which is:

                        -Ruling under the guise of holy Sharia law and...
                        -Being enforced by the many Islamic fundamentalist entities which despise the very thing they're unwittingly protecting.

                        This doesn't look like a very stable setting.
                        Shortly after 1979 revolution when mullas started murmuring something about Islamic Republic many Iranians who could see a tad farther than tip of their nose continuously warned these mullas that term is an oxymoron and will not function without constant clash between interests of republic and sharia.

                        For 32 years mullas have been doing their best to keep those 2 intertwined and function by continues amendments, modification of constitution and penal codes but what they've got right now is neither an Islamic nor a republic.

                        For example it is strictly forbidden to collect interest for loans and at the beginning they made banks and other financial institutions stop collecting interest but it did not take long before mandate was overruled. This against sharia law.
                        Another example is gender transformation which absolutely is a No No in islam but it is legal in Islamic Republic and after operation (majority male to female) they go get a new I.D card with proper gender box checked, they are also free to marry another man and state will recognize the marriage.

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                        • #42
                          This op-ed is a summary of at least four threads concurrently running here.

                          Tehran invokes revolutionary fervor | Asia Times | Dec 01 2011

                          the tipping point must be London's steps toward removing the Mojahedin-e Khalq (MKO) from the list of terrorist organizations. The MKO has been responsible for some of the most devastating terrorist attacks in the history of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Tehran holds the MKO responsible for more than 17,000 killings over the years. The most "celebrated" were of course those of Ayatollah Muhammad Behesti (who was next only to Imam Ruhollah Khomeini in the pantheon of the revolutionary leadership) in June 1980 and of the popularly elected Iranian president Muhammad Rajayi in August of the same year. The second terrorist strike came close to eliminating the entire revolutionary leadership under Khomeini.

                          It must be one of the quirks of modern history that Western intelligence has depended on the MKO, which practices an ideological mix of Marxism, nationalism and Islam, as the principal instrument to subvert the Islamic regime in Iran. Iranian security personnel and Lebanon's Hezbollah busted in a major counterintelligence operation in Beirut the entire network of the US Central Intelligence Agency in Lebanon and Iran.

                          The CIA was apparently using Lebanon as the "gateway" to penetrate Iran, given the relative freedom of movement between the two countries. Through May and June, Iranian security officials arrested more than three dozens Iranians who were working for the CIA. Their interrogation revealed that recent covert operations against Iran were the joint ventures of the CIA, Mossad and the MKO.

                          Thus the British move to rehabilitate the MKO (whose leadership is based in Brussels and is allowed to travel freely to the European capitals) has infuriated Tehran to no end. It seems to be the real reason behind the present crisis. Tehran is resorting to "asymmetrical" response by striking at the symbol of British power because it lacks the capacity to pay back to London in the same coin.

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                          • #43
                            One would wonder that if Iran is soooo angry about the Brits removing the MKO which we have yet to see then why wouldnt Iran place Hezbollah and Hamas on the terror list in which the world has not only seen proof of their funding and backing for years and years but has also heard it from their leaders own lips. Sounds more like the pot calling the kettle black to me.
                            Last edited by Dreadnought; 02 Dec 11,, 02:57.
                            Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                            • #44
                              Right, UK's sanctions on Iran's central bank do not affect Iran's proxies so would think that UK lifting MEK off the terrorist list isn't that big a factor here. It has to be because the UK is leading the way with sanctions and influencing other countries like the US & EU to do the same

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by vsdoc View Post
                                Over my morning coffee, I enjoyed the photo of the bearded guy climbing the fence with the portrait of the queen.

                                Hilarious!


                                So which hand is it that he is supposed to lose for stealing that?
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