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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
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    Understandable. Too bad though, I found it quite interesting!

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    Thinking about starting it back up. My muse comes and goes. It was a pretty intensive work finding out who was who, what was where and doing what exactly. Way more research went into what I already wrote than 99% of the papers I wrote to get my degree.

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    Jason,

    You might want to include a few here in your thought process. Do recall what you and I went through in our nuclear debates. A hell of a lot nuiances explored.

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    editing the whole thing now for an updated single post version with some minor changes. This will hopefully get me mentally back on track with it. Wish I was a decent character writer.

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    You looking to be the next Harry Turtledove? This is some interesting stuff.

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    If I knew how to write characters...

    Editing- Times New Roman 14pt script equals 17 pages of text. But it has me thinking, and remembering that I wrote myself into a corner. Which way do England and the US jump as regards each other and England as regards Japan (who she has a formal alliance with).
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    If Z puts an effort like he promises, can this be sticky thread? Hate to bookmark WAB threads and is long interesting read (thanks for abstaining over 2 years, now I have to go back).
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    I have a lot of editing to do, my forum writing has more errors than Chinese pirated software...

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    Sngle post, heavily edited, some details changed.

    7:25 A.M 23 Jan 1915 just North of the Dogger Bank after heavy morning fog the SS Mechanicsville a 3500 gross ton (10,000 ton displacement) single stack freighter with a crew of 45 and 222 Belgian refugees and 181 American expat passengers in staterooms and the holds, after dodging the Royal Navy and delivering load of 850 tons of copper consigned to Denmark she was now on her way to England. In the morning fog and rising sun she is intercepted from the Southeast by the light cruiser HMS Undaunted and 4 escorting destroyers. Captain St John of Undaunted mistakes the ship for the SMS Odenwald a KM blockade runner/ collier that is actually interned at the time and the British flotilla moves to engage.

    The American freighters thick black coal smoke obscures her jack from the British. Likewise the morning sun blinds the Mechanicsville to the British lamps trying to order her to heave to, but a lookout reports the closing warships. Mistaking the ships for Germans the captain of the Mechanicsville makes a turn to the NNE hoping to find a British patrol flotilla- not realizing that is who is chasing him and that he is already to the North of the British naval units. The turn convinces the Captain St. John that the ship is trying to run to Sweden and at 7:44 the cruiser opens fire at 7000yds. She scores her first hit at 08:10. the 152mm shell blows through three state rooms killing a number of people but leaving the ship mechanically intact. A second hit is scored on the bridge at 08:11 killing the captain, all three mates and navigator plus the on duty bridge crew. As a result the ship does not slow down or deviate from her course. Several more shells hit starting large fires.

    Then at 08:21 a shell hits a coal bunker nearly depleted after the long voyage across the Atlantic. The earlier hits have shaken the ship hard and the lifted the coal dust into the void of the bunker like a thick black fog. As a result the shell hit causes a massive explosion that blows the back third of the ship apart and the stern is underwater within three minutes. The rest of the ship is quickly sliding backwards into the depth of the North Sea with no time to launch any life boats boats. As a result only a few people manage to make it into the water and to find something to hang on to as the ship goes down.

    As the destroyers move in to rescue survivors a look out on one of the war ships gets periscope fever and they pull back for 45 minutes watching the ship go down. By the time the destroyers move back in all but two persons have died. The elation in the British flotilla at sinking a blockade runner obviously filled with munitions for the commerce raiders turns to horror... As a result a Filipino Able bodied seaman and Ms. Tina Vanderhesk a 16 year old Danish American girl who lost both parents in the sinking got front row seats to the sinking of the SMS Blucher the next day. Both ended up seconded to the ships medical officer to act as nurses. Luckily they were not needed by the crew of the Undaunted.

    The reaction a week later from America was furious. 446 people had died in what the American yellow press was calling an act of British piracy worse than anything America has ever been subjected too before. The press likewise latches on to the British"impressment" of Ms Tina. Several British MP's argue for a quick apology and a promise of better safeguards. They were countered by another faction led by First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill who argued that an an apology, and loosening of the blockade will only encourage more neutral ships to load down with raw materials desperately needed in Germany. Instead they argue to let the sinking of the Mechanicsville serve as a warning and they prevail.

    This sets off a diplomatic fire storm. The British seizure and transfer to prize courts of fifteen more freighters in rapid succession through Feb-April: in reality not uncommon but now fodder for the papers which paint a tale of a secret British war on US commerce waged to insure Britain's post war economic advantage. The tales of secret attacks make much better print than simply reporting how many thousand men died in France on any given day. However, the press coverage of the British seizures over shadows the more dangerous threat posed by the German U-boats.

    The American government had for some time been putting pressure on the Germans to end their submarine attacks but had little success. Given that the efforts by the Wilson administration had been mostly behind closed doors most people, focused on the British scourge, ignored the German warnings about the RMS Lusitania and the German declaration of a war zone around the British Isles. She dutifully and tragically enters the history books with 1198 lost souls on May 7, 1915. The loss of so many lives outrages the Americans and that rage is naturally directed the passenger killing British Navy. For once the German's are not hungry for a big helping of foot in the mouth stew and remain quiet. The British know they've been had... they know the Germans did it, but they also know that the Lusitania was carrying tons of arms.

    This sets off another debate in the halls of Power in England. Where, once again the never apologize faction wins out. In fact the British Ambassador in Washington D.C. delivers a message to President Wilson in response to a formal American protest about the sinking, from PM Asquith stating only that the British government is confident that the trade links between the US and UK and the flow of loans will continue despite the recent unpleasantness...

    Upon being completely blown off by the British, Wilson always a prideful imperious man, but a humanitarian has Charles Hamlin the chairman of the Federal Reserve stop all new British Loans that were pending and to require payment in gold when servicing existing loans. While neither American intends this as a long term punishment, more of a nose tweak to get some respect, the reaction in London is more extreme. Because of light pre-war gold holdings by the Bank of England and the continued existence of the London Gold Market, the move sparked a panic when the news arrived just after lunch. The panic ran like wildfire as speculators feared the loss of convertibility of gold stocks the next day.. This quickly spread to silver and the pound sterling and the other currencies pegged to the Royal Sovereign got flooded by speculators holding French and Belgian paper while it was still convertible.

    By the close of business the bank of England was facing a balance sheet disaster. The contracts she was being forced to sing for the delivery of specie while not much in total terms would end up hammering the pound sterling if the Americans did not re-extend credit. Plus any long delay would quickly exhaust the private and public gold reserves on the Island of Great Britain. Hamlin listened with dread as the reports of the panic came across the trans-Atlantic cables and without even talking to President Wilson cabled the governor of the Bank of England to inform him that the loan restriction would last no more than seven days in total.

    So while the Bank of England got the proper message, the crowds near the Western Union Telegraph branch quickly morphed the message as they played the game telephone with thousands of ears. The message transformed from one of reassurance to a total restriction of all British loans in 7 days. Here the British government and its bell helmet bobbies lost control as thousands of young men already in a militant mood and waiting shipment to training centers as part of Kitchener's New Army marched on the port of London and attacked the American vessels anchored there. What was intended as a type pf Boston Tea Party resulted as a night of fire with scores people dead and injured and six ships, sunk, on fire or sinking at the quays as the sun arose. Tragically one of the six, an ammunition ship named Betty flying a danish flag which had been abandoned to fire after the crew opened the sea cocks exploded just after 9 A.M. The ship had settled into the mud and not lost watertight integrity once the sea cocks were blocked. When the fire reached a load of explosives that was still above water, a cargo intended for the newly formed Royal Engineer mining companies in France, the whole ship exploded, she took another ammunition ship with her and all told 2,213 tons of ordnance exploded.

    The explosion at the port of London was horrendous, 3200 people are known to have died in the immediate area of the port. Broken glass at Buckingham Palace severely lacerated the arm of Mary of Teck. Big Ben stopped turning forever and the Tower of London had several sections of stone and mortar rocked loose. Most tragically to the blood and cultural of Londoners was the fate of the Crystal Palace. The Crystal Palace, once an iconic symbol of the London's World Fair, had shattered and collapsed under the shock wave. Dozens of young recruits of the Norfolk Regiment who had been given leave to go sightseeing in London before being shipped to France were buried by the deadly shards. One of them a man named Roland Leighton. Years later Vera Brittain would record the day as one of the saddest of her life, made more so because she heard the blast that killed her fiance.

    The explosion also knocked out the telegraph lines in London, deafened most members of Parliament, other high ranking British leaders and government servants. For the First time since the laying of the first telegraph cable London went silent- those in power could neither say nor hear.... Other locations however reported a huge explosion in London.

    By the end of the day the nation was in mourning even as multiple city blocks still burned. The first explosion had atomized the on scene fire companies and fire boats. More companies were beginning to arrive but for much of the day New Army recruits had worked side by side with bankers, lawyers and shop keepers hauling water in anything they could to try and fight the massive blaze. Meanwhile the ladies of London set about helping the wounded and caring for those fighting the fires.

    As chaos reigned in London, the speed of the telegraph was demonstrated elsewhere. close to the explosion the sound propagation had out run the telegraph stations. As a result well over 100 people lost all or part of their sight as the shock wave hit windows and blew them into microscopic shards or razor sharp glass. a large proportion of the wounded were housewives looking out of plate glass windows at the rising cloud of smoke. However by the time the now subdued dull rolling boooooom reached Oxford the telegraph messages had sped ahead of the sound propagation.

    However fast messages got sent out of the areas near London, no messages were coming in or going out of the city itself. The center of worlds largest Empire, the center of global banking and commerce, the capitol that put other kings on the thrones of other capitols was as silent as the grave as far as the telegraph was concerned. A few motor carriages and motorcycles were doing dispatch duty but mostly locally. Although no members of Parliament, the admiralty or other senior leaders had died, few could yet hear again.

    Yet as the sun set, more and more bobbies re-appeared on the streets, proper relief kitchens were set up and a hectic but very proper British calm returned. That calm masked a danger that would ultimately propel two of the worlds leading sea powers into an alliance against the third. As he was wont to do Chief of the Imperial General Staff James Wolfe-Murray was unable to provide Field Marshal Sir John French with guidance. Wolfe-Murray was too engaged in the relief efforts in London. He should have delegated but he didn't. As a result the highest ranking army officer in the British Army was commanding company sized units. The person Wolfe-Murray usually deferred to, Lord Kitchener had left London the day before for a bit of a breather. This left Sir John French free of any control but Joffres...

    French was quick to order a brigade of the 1st Canadian division to counter attack to try and regain a bit of the ground that General Plumber had given up on 1 May. French knowing London was quiet quickly (by the standards of the time) approved Alderson's request to send in the highlanders. The hope was that the highlanders with the Royal Montreal and the Canadian Seaforth Highlanders leading could catch a retreating Landshwer regiment that had just failed in a minor probing attack and thus get across the trenches and create a breach.*

    However, as fast as Alderson and French moved, the hobnailed boots of the Germans moved quicker and the Canadians were barely a third of the way across no mans land when the maxims opened up. Yet the Canadians pressed on and the Highlanders made the German lines. However they could not hold alone and were forced back leaving nearly 100 dead and dying British Columbians behind to be taken prisoner. The Germans quickly policed up the wounded and began to interrogate the least seriously injured- which as it turned out were 11 Americans from Bellingham, Washington. They had volunteered with the Canadians. A German 25cm trench mortar shell exploding in the crater next to them, knocked out. By the time they regained their wits they were prisoners.

    The Americans were quickly passed back through the lines, initially just to get them out of the combat zone. But as non of the Americans spoke German and as they bayoneted guard after bayoneted guard the 11 volunteers reached the conclusion that they had been deemed spies and were being marched back to a special execution field- the Germans being efficient like that. By the time the Americans reached the rear areas not far from the Duke of Wuttermburgs forward HQ the sight of increasing numbers of older men in pristine uniforms and thus obviously officers assembled for a special courts martial the Americans broke. They simply sat down..... The German guards didn't know what to do. They worked in shifts and assumed the Americans were simply tired so the guards stopped as well and a few lit pipes filled with Ottoman tobacco. Major-General Ilse the chief of staff for the 4th Army who had been forward noticed the lollygagging and demanded to know why... and was told it was a group of Americans and they had simply sat down.

    Upon hearing they were Americans the general summoned an interpreter. Having recently been back in Germany in consultations with Falkenhyen, Ilse had been briefed and the growing Anglo-American split. Yet here was a group of Americans fighting for King George and St George. By the time an English speaker had been found a number of the generals field grade officers had wandered over and the poor Germans guards were as stiff as iron statues. When the general began asking questions Private Harold Erickson blurted out that they had been captured by mounties and impressed into the Canadian Army and that they preferred Germany and they had all played dead to get away from the Canadians. That was of course a lie, but....

    That was of course a lie but it was not dissimilar from what the Germans were doing in Russian Poland with native Poles and Russian POWs, granted they needed their backs not their trigger fingers...

    So the story the prisoners told resonated with the German officers and suddenly a bunch of former loggers turned adventurers were a cause celeb. Within a few hours they had given the "latest" version of the story to a German war correspondent. They all agreed they were at least 20 miles inside the American border and they saw dozens of other Americans brought in as well. After the interview the Americans were loaded on a train and sent to Germany. Where over the next few months- even after their lie was known to the rest of the world- the German press and propaganda arms made hay. First domestically, then internationally and then domestically again.

    The first allied warriors to begin seeing the story did not begin to see it until September when French soldiers who over ran the first line of German trench at the Second Battle of Champagne found multiple copies of the story among divisional press releases. For the most part it was ignored- it did not involve Frenchmen after all. Then late in the month a Canadian trench raiding party meant to blood part of the newly arrived 2nd Canadian Division near Ypres recovered a copy. That its was the 29th is on of those strange twists in war. The 29th was from Vancouver and had a few Americans in it, although not as many as most of the adventurers had joined up with the 1st Canadian. But among the handful of yanks there was one in the 29th who knew one of the supposed yanks in the German paper.

    He mentioned it to his leader and so it passed the line, then to the 1st divisions and down where the two yanks actually pictured were confirmed by comrades as missing on the dates the Germans claim to have captured them. The names listed for the rest of the yanks matched as well. As far as the 1st Divisions was concerned it was a non-issue. Other than updating their casualty reporting the divisions stayed focused on the job at hand- Germans not Yanks.

    The issue might have died there, except that for dumb luck. The Germans had not tried sending the story to the US, even using the diplomatic codes provided to the German Empire by the USA. For whatever reason the Germans did not see how a story about eleven men- mostly Norwegian immigrants from a backwaters backwater could inflame a nation that still prided itself as a Anglo-Francophile nation. But they did send it East.*

    In Turkey a version of the story caught the attention of Jeremiah Blyse an international door to door life insurance salesman for New York Life, late of the Armenian areas and now headed to the battle lines around the Egyptian border to do some freelance writing. He thought the story was interesting reading, so he sent it by Western Union to his boss on Long Island. The insurance company had already paid for the shipment of messages at the higher rate of the commercial cable so no one in Room 40 flagged it. As a it passed through unmolested. By anyone but the William Randolph Hearst who got it from a friend who worked at the insurance company... The story already sensationalist didn't need much embellishing by the media tycoon, just add a few more numbers...

    The next morning the story ran lead on every Hearst owned newspaper- forty-four dead, eleven captive, Americans from small border community forced to fight for the English King. The papers even had quotes from a retired Prussian general who had settled in Philadelphia expounding on how this proved the British not the Germans were the Huns. Of course that Prussian never existed, but then Hearst never needed him to.

    As happened eighteen years earlier the crowds were out on the news that the Canadians were kidnapping Americans to fight for Britain. The Canadian Embassy in Washington D.C. was the home of some very nervous people likely saying, "whats going on aye." As the diplomatic corps had national papers delivered and if they wanted American News they were more likely to read the New York Times over something Hearst printed.

    The media baron was of course in hog heaven selling millions of papers. The anti-British tirade had died down after the explosion in London but now the British were back on the enemies list. Two days later his papers ran a lead story from one of the supposed wives of one of the dead Americans. The story was spun from whole cloth but it kept story alive as the nation moved from September into October. Then violence real violence... well kinda erupted along the US Canadian border near Blaine Washington. When the original story reached the border area everyone knew it was a joke...*

    They knew those guys worked with them and had seen them off in 1914 as they traded double bits for the double quick so they could see The Elephant. But that didn't matter, it was an excuse to get drunk and steal across the border for some fun... The drunk loggers, trappers and a few prospectors dubbed themselves the 1st Blaine Volunteers, They headed north over the border and stumbled half drunk and half stupid into Abbotsford, British Columbia. Here their grand plan to invade Canada fell apart. The difference between war and friendly tussle is in a tussle everyone knows its just for fun...

    The problem for the invaders is no one told the Royal Northwest Mounted Police aka the mounties. Who after what had been going on in the bigger American cities and having its source supposedly right here were not in a mood for games.... So a gang of 30-40 drunk Americans wobbled down main street towards a line of 8 mounted mounties. When the the two sides were about 20 yards apart the mounties horses suddenly jumped forward and the mounties were among the Americans swinging riding crops. It was a rout, cavalry might not do well vs the maxim machine gun in France but it ruled main street Abbotsford... that is until a mounties pony stepped in a wagon rut and snapped its right cannon bone with a sound not unlike a gunshot.*

    A Mountie who heard it turned his head to see the horse go down and the rider go flying into a group of seven or eight Americans. Who were of course overjoyed at being able to give some back. The Mountie, a man trained to think quick but react quicker, watched his comrade get pitched headfirst in a bad situation, heard the crack and saw the thrashing horse came to an obvious if mistaken conclusion. He then pulled his Colt New Service revolver out and opened fire. The pop, pop, pop of real gun fire got everyone's' attention. Soon two more Mounties opened fire and the American Mob already in flight was transformed into a howling screaming band of pansies drunk running for the line as fast as they could stumble.

    The mounties did not pursue. The cost of the battle was two dead Americans, three more wounded and six arrested. The Canadian side lost a horse. However even as the loggers were retreating the Blaine detachment of the Washington National Guard was hastily being called up and ordered to assemble. At around midnight the freshly assembled troops and a crowd of towns people were informed the Canadians were invading. In fact 4 mounties were leading a wagon driven by a local Abbotsford freight driver with the bodies of the dead loggers.*

    Not knowing the guard had been called up and supremely confident in their ability to handle the locals the RNWMP unit was suddenly faced with a fifty man rifle line with bayonets fixed. No shots rang out but the Whiskey War had its first real POWs. The mounties who had not crossed the border waited in vain for the return of their compatriots. As the sun began to crest over the Cascades the three hale riders rode away from the border and towards the telegraph station.

    Soon the war moved to a different phase as Lt Gov Barnard and Premier McBride of British Columbia traded Western Union broad sides from Vancouver Island with Gov Lister of Washington who was also arguing with the commanders of the Washington State Guard and the Washington Army national Guard. Eventually Gov. Lister decided to hand the the four RNWMP troopers over for trial for murder. The Canadians strongly objected but were rebuffed. Post-war Lister would comment he didn't want a lynching by a vigilante mob, but would have taken that over what he ended up with.

    As the political leadership traded barbs the American military presence continued to grow as a few more members of the national guard showed up. But the biggest addition of "trained troops was a detachment of state guard machine guns. By night fall the force in Blaine included 63 national guard riflemen, 22 state guardsmen operating 3 Gatling guns and 61 local volunteers about half mounted. The 4 RNWMP troopers were largely on their own. Only about 18 men with rifles had arrived. The best men had already volunteered and were gone. With no local reserves to call on near Abbotsford, Lt Gov Barnard had to put out a call for volunteers on Vancouver Island and within an hour 300 or more people had arrived at the quays- most completely unarmed and untrained.

    As tensions built near Blaine Washington and the Canadians near Abbottsford began to sweat bullets. America was the one sweating in and around Puget Sound. On one hand the entrance to Puget Sound and a bit farther south the Entrace to the Columbia River were well guarded by forts. The US navy had a powerful squadron in Puget Sound with more resources available in California including the battleship Oregon (BB-3) the US controlled the Straits of Juan de Fuca, the San Juan Islands, Whidbey Island and could menace Vancouver Island at will.

    Opposing them the Canadian naval force was just three vessels. The pride of the Canadian fleet was the obsolete Apollo class protected cruiser HMRCS Rainbow and two submarines. While rainbow was not considered a threat, the submarines were. Ever since September 22, 1914 the fear that these two vessels could unleash had dominated local thinking. Submarines could wreak havoc on the merchant and naval traffic in the sound and slide right past the triangular forts. The much larger US naval force including the cruisers Albany, West Virginia and South Dakota (reduced commission) had no effective defense against submarines. Officers were worried about the impact of the submarines in the confined spaces, and submarine deployed mines- the loss of so many allied ships when the British and French tried to force passage of the Dardanelles had been another shock. Suddenly armor and gun power looked like loss of an answer. Finally if a shooting war develops the US commanders want to wait on support from California to make sure the Imperial Japanese Navy's North America squadron can be defeated. While the Americans didn't really think Japan would risk war with the US the north American squadron stationed on Vancouver island was something that had to be considered.

    Yet if the American ships could break out of Puget Sound and into the open ocean then much of the British Empire in Asia was ripe for the picking. With so many British ships tied up facing the High Seas Fleet, hunting U-boats and stiffening the French there was precious little to stop a US fleet from marauding across Asia. Hong Kong, Ceylon, Burma... American naval planners were almost salivating at the chance.

    On the other side of the world everyone is trying to figure how to pull the US in on their side or at least keep the Us on the sidelines. If the US can patch things up with the UK, the British Isles are safe, if the US sides with Germany, victory isn't assured but an Imperial German- American alliance might finally be the foe to bring down the heirs of Nelson. Of particular concern in London were the newest American super dreadnoughts. Not particualrily fast, but heavily armed and armored. Oil fired thanks to Americans abundant supply of the black liquid they could out range most of the British fleet and gave the Americans a credible way to threaten the stand off between the Grand Fleet and the High Seas Fleet.

    Thus in D.C., Berlin, and London everyone was waiting on Wilson to decide. But as summer turned to fall even Wilson was undecided. Tempers remained high, but cooler heads were seemingly prevailing as Wilson waffled. In discussions with Hamlin the US President initially considered a freeze of US loans to belligerents since if the US ends up at war with the UK the billions owed by France and England are unlikely to ever be repaid. Hamlin has actually advocated throwing in on the side of the allies simply to secure the debt owed the US. In the end the President decides to require specie security for all new loans. Initially ten percent, this has been slowly falling through the summer and in late fall is down to three percent.

    On the other side General Funston, Secretary of War Baker and others are trying to develop plans to launch, sustain and win an invasion of Canada. Secretary of the Navy Roosevelt is working on plans to fight the Grand fleet and blockade the Canadian coast in support of an invasion. America has tried several times in the past to seize Canada and failed. Yet despite an impressive navy and Canada being nearly stripped of men the current peace time army with less than 30,000 effective does not seem to offer much in the way of success.

    The various state national guard units offer numbers but few are anywhere near ready to go to war. Meanwhile Canada while nearly denuded of men does have one fully formed division finishing up training for shipment to France in early 1916. Another division sits in France ready to be shipped home. For the moment Canada has the superior ground combat force.

    In Berlin the Kaiser is welcoming the thought of a US alliance. Sadly he lacks any real way to encourage Wilson to side with him. German excesses in Belgium- made more excessive by the British press have tarnished the German Empire. Yet despite these realities, grand visions of a unified battle fleet dance in his head. Hipper and Scheer would also welcome a US alliance. They don't think they will be able to link up, but an American entry on the side of Germany will force the Royal navy to drastically reduce the Grand Fleet to face a new foe. In addition submarine operations would be easier and the loss of North American trade could be the tipping point making England, not Germany the victim of starvation.

    It is this impact that Admiral Holtzenhof thinks of. He doesn't really care about what America can add to the German effort, or take away from the allied effort except in one area... An American entry on the side of Germany would deny the UK a huge merchant fleet. He sees starving English babies as a path to German victory. Falkenhyen, Ludendorff and Hindenburg all want a US alliance for one reason- reduce allied men and material available for use in Europe or Russia. First by draining off the Canadians and second by denying the Engish any chance of an American entry on to the side of the Entente.

    Yet of all Germany's leaders none is praying for an American alliance more than Chancellor Bethmann-Hollweg. Adm Holtzenhof's continued insistence on unrestricted submarine warfare is giving the German Chancellor nightmares of an endless stream of Yankee men and material flowing into France. The sinking of the Lusitania gave him nightmares. He still doesn't understand how the Americans ended up blaming the British for the loss of a British ship.* Even with Wilson's new loan policies, trade with North America is giving the English an advantage. If the Americans jump in on the side of the Entente he sees no path to German victory.

    His nightmare which he briefly sketched out to the Kaiser, saw Germany starving by 1917 and the end of the German Reich as France seized the Alsace-Lorraine, Saarland and imposed reparations designed to force Germany to become an agricultural void in the middle of Europe. The sinking of the Lusitania almost forced the kaiser to accept his argument until the American press turned the disaster in an example of British perfidy.

    In London, David Lloyd George's Coalition Government is still trying to get the war effort running right. The new loan policies have badly hurt the war effort. To them there is but two things- America must restore the massive credit lines and the produce and production must continue to flow east across the Atlantic. In France, Sir Douglas Haig the new commander of the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) had rarely given the other side of the Atlantic any thoughts. But now He and generals Smith-Dorien and Alderson are trying to figure out how to pull the two veteran Canadian divisions out of the line in order to send them back acros the Atlantic. Meanwhile the Canadian 3rd div newly arrived in France is still sitting at Le Harve in case it has to re-embark for a dash home.

    Yet as difficult as that planning is, the soldiers and generals have a simple straightforward job. Not so for a troika of senior admirals trying to figure out how to contain the High Seas Fleet and the American Atlantic fleet. Fisher, Beatty and Jellicoe have the biggest theater to operate in, but force the UK to bet the bank if they guess wrong. They are waiting on a reply from Lacaze the newly installed minister of the French Navy. The British admirals have asked for the release of the Courbet class and the brand new Bretagne class dreadnoughts. The 6 French vessels are not the best sea keepers but they bring a lot of heavy guns an nearly even out what the US might add to the match up.
    The French of course feel powerless. Wildly popular in the United States, a number of Americas are serving with the French against the Germans. A war between the US and UK means the loss of credits, loss of food stuffs and loss of production than the UK cannot help her make up. It is this fear more than the Austria-Hungarian navy that has the French government stalling on the British request to release her dreadnoughts for duty in the Atlantic.

    Sitting off to the side is a proposal by former first Lord Winston Churchill with First Lord Balfour's cautious endorsement to at least look at the idea of using a British submarine force to ambush and sink the brand new US super dreadnought the USS Arizona in an attempt to frame the Germans and help preserve the Grand Fleet's gun power advantage.

    Back in Washington State, the weeks passed with a slow let off in tension. The only "ongoing" escalation seemed to be naval reservists were reporting for duty in Bremerton and Portland the crowds in the major cities began to die off. The standoff at the border had not resulted in any more shootings and it was beginning to look like the only result was going to be some RNWMP Mounties being tried for murder by the US Courts. Yet behind behind this apparent thaw, a new crisis was budding, and it was in far off Asia and Asia would be the shot heard round the world.*

    Only one of allied great powers engaged in a world war sees an opportunity... Japan. With her victories over China, Russia and now Germany she is feeling her oats. With the American, British and Russian focus on Europe, some Imperial Japanese officers are starting to look at creating more Japanese colonies. In particular they see the resources and strategic position of the Philippines and the Dutch east indies as ripe plums.

    Start...
    To: Commander Puget Sound Naval Station Bremerton
    From Department of the Navy, commander US Pacific Fleet Admiral Winslow

    Run down of USN deployments along the US West Coast or the Pacific side of Central America.

    In Mexico and Central America: USS Wisconsin BB-9 Illinois Class battleship 12150t. USS Raleigh C-8 Cincinnati Class Protected Cruiser 3200t. USS Cleveland C-19 Denver Class Protected Cruiser 3200t. USS Denver CL-16 Denver Class protected 3200t.*

    Oregon USS Marblehead C-11 unarmored cruiser 2072t

    California and West Coast Patrol: USS Oregon BB3 Indiana Class battleship 10288t. USS St Louis C-20 St Louis class protected cruiser 9700t, USS Milwaukee C-21
    St Louis class protected cruiser 9700t

    Warning Imperial Japanese head Quarters has at this time not released the IJN Hizen, a Retvizan class battleship 12708t. IJN Asama Asama class cruiser 9700t currently anchored in Victoria Harbor for possible action against the US. However we believe that such a request for release has or is likely to be made through London on behalf of Canada.

    I am placing Admiral Howard in command upon his arrival in Seattle via Portland*

    You are authorized to approach the state governors to begin a call up of the Washington and Oregon naval militias.

    On the other side of the Pacific, the US Asiatic Fleet Headquarters at Cavite in the Phillipines had little to fear of the British. The Royal Navy had been reduced to coastal and river gun boats in China. The new Australian navy was in Europe and the Japanese had split their force into quarters. One quarter operating into the Indian ocean out of Singapore, one quarter protecting the Anzac nations, one quarter assisting the Royal navy from the cape of Good Hope up into the Med. The other quarter was assigned to home island duties by the Japanese navy. On paper it looked like the Philippines was safe. But looks can be deceiving. The US Asiatic Fleet and the US Pacific fleet had been the step children of the navy for some time. Thanks to the out spoken Roosevelt's- Former President Theodore and his cousin, Undersecretary to the Navy Franklin Delano with the support of Admiral Mahan efforts by the Wilson Administration to divide the battle fleet along both coasts had gone nowhere. As a result the Pacific fleet only had 2 battleships, one only by virtue of the summer's previous midshipman's cruise. The Asiatic fleet had none. It did have five obsolete destroyers that together barely massed the weight of two of the navy's new O'Brien class destroyers. The Pacific fleet could add 7 more older, lighter destroyers. In fact until the recent tensions the navy was making plans to designate all 16 of the original US destroyers, now terribly underweight and outgunned as coastal torpedo boats. Of those 16, only 2 were not in the Pacific or Asiatic fleets. Of the more modern destroyers neither fleet had a single one. The biggest guns of the Asiatic fleet were the four 10" guns of the USS Monadnock- an Amphrimite class monitor and the last one still in full commission. The Monadnock was little more than a harbor defense ship for Manila bay, a job she was joined in by navies nine oldest submarines A2 through 7 and the three B class boats. Those submarines also known as pig boats for the horrible crew conditions did not have the range anything like that of the German U-boats attacking the Allies. They could patrol the entrance to Manila bay but not much farther. The fleets only modern ship the USS Brooklyn (CA-3) a one off armored cruiser that was placed in commission about the same time most of her crew were being born.
    This weak force of two old capitol ships, five obsolete destroyers and nine short ranged patrol submarines as well as eight or so gun boats was all that stood between Japan and and the conquest of the Philippines besides the US Army's coast artillery units and forts. Most of the forts were unfinished and under manned. So while impressive on paper, especially the plans for El Fraile island, the tirth was that very little stood against the Japanese. The US and most of the world were focused on Europe, and if not there the Pacific Northwest. No one had really paid attention to the Japanese naval build up except the British, and they were allied with Japan and missed the tells.

    The Asiatic fleet, plus all the active vessels in the US Pacific Fleet including those that could be placed in commission in the using reservists the US had 2 pre-dreadnought battleships, 9 cruisers, 12 destroyers and 9 submarines split among 3 locations and two fleets. The US also did not anything Room 40 and missed the Japanese build up. US naval intelligence was most commonly via seamen on shore leave telegraphing the war department who they saw where, or chance encounters between USN vessels and the warships of another nation.*

    The US might have had time to notice this imbalance except for a bright young Japanese officer whose name would become forever connected with a day of infamy. Isoroku Yamamoto. The young officer was nearly done with his studies at the naval war college when as a graduation exercise he was tasked with commanding a table top fleet of Japanese dreadnoughts against a table top fleet of American dreadnoughts commanded by one of his classmates. With the fixation on dreadnought vs dreadnought encounters no one had noticed there were no US dreadnoughts actually in the Pacific to fight. Everyone assumed that the US would rush its fleet through the Panama Canal. Yamamoto noticed that with the current tensions a war between the UK and US would pin that battle flee tin place given Japan the decisive edge. With this observation the seed was planted. With in a few weeks that seed has taken root, been passed up the line and Yamamoto had been hastily graduated promoted to naval major and sent to the IJN Kashima as its first mate and executive officer.

    He and the Kashima along with 6 other pre-dreadnougths and an escort of destroyers quietly began vanishing in late October. That quiet disappearance was the first sign. The next sign that all was not well with the Empire of Japan was the sudden arrival of 120 Japanese sailors and marines leaving in the Hizen's lifeboats and towed by a charted harbor tug before landing along the Canadian side of the American border.*

    By then the border had pretty much settled down, Washington State isn't all that cold in late fall and early winter- if you stay dry. But it is wet, very wet. 265 days a year of rain somewhere in Puget Sound. That type of weather naturally serves to discourage standoffs and it had a predictable effect- the state guard machine gun company had released half its men and the national Guard had released two thirds. All the volunteers had gone home, though many lived locally. Now suddenly it was the Americans who were out numbered and out gunned and the enemy wasn't even Canadian. The RNWMP Mounties tried to get the Japanese to go back, but they resolutely ignored that request with polite deference to orders from their captain and they were only doing what they were told.

    Almost from their arrival the Japanese began causing incidents... On the first night, three Japanese sailors stole across the border and raided a chicken coop, the next day a patrol "strayed" across the border until challenged by a patrol of the Washington National Guard. The incidents slowly escalated, But by now the public had lost interest and it was no longer selling papers and so few noticed until December 5th. The only people who seemed to care were all local and they did care. The Washington national Guard had recalled its men as had the state guard. This had lead to even more encounters between the two sides. As October passed into November and then in December more and more incidents occurred. Finally, almost fatally shots rang out on December 5 at a rail crossing. Although the Japanese government denied firing the first shot witnesses from both the Canadian and American side of the borders reported differently. The result of the December 5th shootout was four dead national guardsman and the capture of two more.

    Within hours the Japanese government had summoned ambassador Guthrie to account for his nations hostile actions against the Empire of Japan, and to issue a formal protest. Guthrie duly cabled Washington D.C. However in D.C. It was a Sunday and US leaders were just getting the first reports of the shooting itself and was not able to answer right away. But the storm of diplomatic cables had started. By December 6th the news papers were selling again and the cables between governments were flying. No one was quite sure what was going on.

    The UK was slow to catch on, but figured it out first. Because of their efforts in tracking global commerce in order to hunt the commerce raiders as well as their far flung stations they were the first to key in on the fact the numerous Japanese fleet assets were missing. Yet they needed Japanese martial help against Germany and still were not favorably received by the US having been forced to begin liquidating assets to service and secure loans after Hamlin and Wilson announced the new non-discriminatory gold based loans to belligerents program. Yet they knew a war between the US and the Empire of Japan would pull the UK in to it one someones side. While they dithered trying to decide events over took them.

    In D.C. The few Americans on duty that Sunday were growing increasingly frustrated. They would answer one Japanese cable only to be hit with another saying something at odds with the previous cable. What they did not know is Japanese agents in the Philippines and North America along with a few large steamers had been waiting for a specific set of conditions and as December 6 rolled into December 7 they got it.

    The morning of December 7, 1915 was cold wet and foggy at 1 A.M. when the IJS Hizen and Azama pulled themselves away from their quays and steamed out of Victoria. Attempts by the harbor master and pilots to get them to reply were ignored. By the time the sun began to come up in Washington D.C., up both ships had made a daring blacked out high speed dash past the triangular forts and were into Puget Sound undetected. It was about that time that the Japanese Ambassador to the United States hand delivered a message to the White House announcing that the Empire of Japan felt compelled to declare that a state of war existed.

    President Wilson was still waiting on the arrival of his cabinet to discuss what the declaration of war meant when two new cables arrived. The first from the Phillipines was about the Second Battle of Manila Bay. The report claimed the loss of the USS Monadnock and 3 destroyers to a fleet of a dozen Japanese dreadnoughts. In reality it was a force of 7 pre-dreadnoughts and some destroyer escorts. Regardless the USN was getting pounded on. The second from Washington State was reporting that there appeared to be enemy warships inside the northern part of Puget Sound doing extensive damage to merchant shipping.

    In Manila Bay the number of US losses continued to climb as the Japanese continued the attack through out the day. A patrolling submarine A5 had spotted the attackers and was able to alert head quarters to the Japanese presence, not their numbers or size. This incomplete warning allowed the USS Monadock and her escorting destroyers to sortie. They felt they might be facing a force od destroyers with a cruiser or two in attendance, not a battle line. Instead of staying behind the covering guns and mortars of the coast artillery the small flotilla made for open water and disaster. The Japanese battle line smashed the Monadock and then the destroyers that were not much bigger than the Japanese escorts.

    Although the Americans did get a bit of payback. With the escorts chasing the doomed desyoers A5 managed to slip past battle line get into the path of the advancing Japanese line that was advancing into the mouth of the bay at 14 knots, twice the submarines best submerged speed and too fast for the big Endicott guns to track on. Yet A-5 managed to put her single 18" torpedo into the bulkhead between the IJNS Asahi's machinery and engine rooms room knocking out rudder control and power. As the battleship had just started to react to the torpedo and started turn the hit locked the ship into the direction of the turn and the hole caused by the damage deeper under water and broadside to the current and she was left drifting.

    The Japanese commander thinking the ship had been ht by one of the big guns from the forts immediately ordered back two escorts to assist but the drifting battleship quickly took 3 more hits, two more from the A5 and one from A3 and she capsized before more than a handful of her crew could get off the stricken vessel. The two destroyers then began a hunt for the American subs but failed to find them. That was to be America's only success in combat that day in the Philippines. By noon, the Japanese had sunk another destroyer and 4 gun boats as well as a number of merchant vessels. The final American destroyer and 4 gun boats managed to exit the bay as did the American submarines that evening. The USS Brooklyn, the sole American cruiser had left port a week earlier to make a trip to Hawaii and so was spared.*

    US Asiatic Fleet:

    USS Bainbridge DD1*, USS Barry DD2*, USS Chauncy DD,3 USS Dale DD4*, USS Decatur DD5*, submarines A2 through 7, B class x 3, USS Brooklyn (CA-3), USS Monadnock*

    Japanese battle line for the Second Battle of Manila bay:

    IJN Fuji, IJN Shikishima, IJN Asahi*, IJN Mikasa,IJN Mishima, IJN Katori, IJN Kashima

    *= sunk at the second Battle of Manila Bay.

    In London ministers and advisers made aware of Japan's declaration of war were called in as the news reached Europe.... what now? As the morning and then day wore on continued the news reaching Washington D.C. And then London was grim. Besdies the unfolding disaster in the East it was confirmed that the two Japanese warships that had been based at Victoria had penetrated past the Triangular forts and were now loose and on the hunt. They were reported just outside of the Seattle-Bremerton area chasing everything before them. However they were not proceeding faster than their targets seemingly content to drive the various merchant ships and fishing ships south. This was given the US navy cruisers in Bremerton time to get up a head of steam but it would be a hard fought battle. The battleship Hizen was old but powerful.

    The Japanese vessels were finally engaged by the three US cruisers about 9 AM. Between them the USS Albany, West Virginia and South Dakota mounted 8x 8" guns and 34x 6" guns and 7x 18" torpedo tubes. The Japanese had 2x 12" guns, 4x 8" guns, 30x 6" guns 6x 15" torpedo tubes, 5x 14" torpedo tubes and 45 mines. The Americans had numbers and mass, but the Japanese 12" shells might wreck an American vessel in a single hit. As the two sides spotted each other they both began a series of turns. The Japanese to get turned out and the Americans to bring more guns into play. Early firing by both sides was ineffective but as the Americans slowly closed the range the South Dakota put several 6" shots into the Asama. The shots didn't do much damage but the Japanese captain apparently fearing that he had been bracketed heeled the ship over in a radical turn in the other direction. This drastically cut her forward speed and let the Americans close to within 3000 yards. More hits followed in rapid succession including at least one 8" shell that knocked out the aft turret machinery room.

    The US captains scented blood when the Asama began another turn that would let them close even further. Suddenly the USS Albany was shattered by a massive explosion that nearly broke her in two. She was soon dead in the water and clearly doomed. The captains of the two big armored cruisers assumed it had been a 12" hit from the Hizen which had been firing steadily but ineffectively. As such they didn't change course except to cut Asama's turn. What they didn't know was that the Asama had turned in behind mines dropped by the Hizen. Thus the American cruisers blundered into the minefield. Both quickly struck sea mines. Neither would sink but the cost was over a 130 sailors dead. The mines let the Japanese ships retreat north where they ran the triangular forts who together only managed a single hit on the Hizen which did little more than destroy the ships galley and several berthing spaces with five dead Japanese sailors. Once free and into the open waters the Japanese vessels made for Japan.

    Naval Reserve (Puget Sound)- USS West Virginia CA-5, USS Colorado CA-7, USS Maryland CA-8, USS South Dakota CA-9, USS Charelston C-22, USS Albany C-23*,

    *Sunk during the battle of Puget Sound.

    The result of the Japanese surprise attack was that of the three biggest groupings of US navy ships in the Pacific, two had been devastated. What remained was clearly not even a 2nd rate navy, maybe not a 3rd rate navy. Japan was effectively now the only real navy outside of the Atlantic.

    Pacific Fleet- USS Oregon BB-3, USS Wisconsin BB-9, USS Pittsburg CA-4, USS Hopkins DD6, USS Hull DD7, USS Paul Jones DD10, USS Perry DD11, USS Preble, DD12 USS Truxton, DD14 USS Whipple, DD15,

    Panama Canal Duty- USS Stewart DD13

    In the various capitols, the days battles were top news. In Ottawa the 3rd Canadian Division was quickly ordered to prepare for movement to the border while the government tried to figure out what was going on. Lt Gov Barnard was unable to provide any answers as he did not learn about the departure of the Japanese vessels until he had awoke that morning. This meant London was left in the dark as well as to what really happened. They felt like they were between a rock and hard place. The American battle fleet concentrated on the US East Coast, loss of US loans, produce and production would completely shift the balance of naval power so they did not want war, especially with the Grand Fleet so far away and unable to contest the Americans if they decided to sortie.

    At the same time they were flabbergasted by Japan, nominal allies who had not told them what was going on. Still a refusal to honor that alliance put imperial possessions in the Indian Ocean and Pacific at risk. Besides getting only incomplete information from the telegram, British leaders were frustrated because the Japanese ambassador had not yet delivered a reply from the Japanese government in response to a British query. Meanwhile the Canadian and British Ambassadors in Washington had both been summoned to the White House and had not yet reported back. To make things more worrisome Room 40 was reporting activity among the High Seas Fleet.

    Berlin slow to learn of the attack was quick to offer the US an alliance against Japan. Not that Germany could offer anything and the obvious hope was Germany and USA vs Japan would end up with the US formally joining the Central Powers. Yet Ambassador Zimmerman who had been waiting all day to speak with Wilson or a high ranking member of his cabinet had not yet had an audience. Instead he had been trading pleasantries with the British and Canadian ambassadors. In Kiel the German admiralty had already issued orders to provision the High Seas fleet with the best stocks of coal and foodstuffs. Though they did not honestly expect to sail.

    In Tokyo, the day's news even tempered as it was by the loss of the Asahi was still buoyant. It seemed as if Japan had pulled off another Tushima. Supremely confident with victory they expected the United Kingdom to throw in with her, if not know after learning that the Imperial Japanese Army was ashore. It was scheduled to land in 72 hours when the Japanese navy claimed it would have removed the American submarine threat. When the Japanese landed, they would be facing the US Army's Philippine division and the Philippine Constabulary.*

    In Manila/Cavite the mood was almost panic. Nobody had expected the light forces of the Asiatic squadron to stand up in battle because no one had expected them to have to give battle. That was the job of the forts, and they failed. The garrisons had been caught off guard and the gunnery had been a huge disappointment. Not a single one of the big 10-14" Endicott guns or sea 12” sea mortars had hit a Japanese battleship and the lighter guns had at the outset been ignored as the forts commanders tried to make sure the big guns were fully manned and by the time they realized the rate of fire was too slow the fleet had sped past. Everyone expected an invasion next and US Army Philippine Division was already mobilizing and drawing equipment while the Constabulary was called up for militia duties.

    In Washington State, the loss of the Albany by surprise attack had different effects in different parts of the state. Near Seattle near panic seemingly gripped the streets. Rescue efforts were under way to save a number of sailors who had fled the sinking Albany or some of the numerous merchant and fishing vessels the Japanese had sunk or forced to ground themselves. Farther north the mood was more somber and determined. As soon as the Japanese vessels cleared the US forts and broke into open water the Japanese detachment that had been the source of so much trouble in Blaine attacked. The American troops were alert and a fire fight developed. On one side Japanese infantry with bayonets affixed was yelling Banzai! As they charged the American positions. In some cases they broke through and even managed to over run a gatling gun position. Another small group made it into Blaine where they were on a killing spree before eventually being hunted down one by one. While on the other the pop pop pop of rifle fire and ripping cloth sound of the gatlings. When it was all finally over shortly after dark, all the Japanese had died but they had taken nearly fifty more Americans with them.

    In Washington the mood was somber, but divided. President Wilson knew America was at war but with who was not quite clear. On one side lead by Undersecretary for the Navy Franklin Delano Roosevelt argued for the US to go to war with Britain and coordinate with the Germans to sink the Grand Fleet. The other side was lead by Sec War Lindley M Garrison who argued to ignore the British Empire and to concentrate on Japan. It was a strange effort, FDR was normally an anglophile and Garrison had been pushing for a continental army. But FDR had bet on an East Coast battle fleet and it was the West Coast that was hit, and if the battle fleet didn't get into action soon it was his career that would sink. Garrison had been arguing for a standing army of 140,000 with reserves of 400,000. But opposition in Congress had kept the standing army to 29,000 stateside backed by the National Guard. He was under no illusions about what would happen if the Canadian 3rd Division with 15,000 men crossed the border headed south. He needed to keep the UK out of the war with Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
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    I know the feeling.

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    doing a bit of necromancy here, but just wanted to let Z know that one of our favorite authors, SM Stirling, is busy writing a book with some similarities to this. book starts with Teddy Roosevelt beating Taft and winning the 1912 election.

    Woodrow Wilson was pretty much an academic's academic, and actively disliked the military. he almost cashiered the General Staff when he found out that the General Staff had war plans against other nations, because he thought that meant the War Department was actively trying to get the US into war.

    so this type of foolishness resulted in the US being remarkably unprepared for war in 1917. it took an enormous amount of German stupidity (Zimmerman telegram) to push the US in, and then it took a long time for the US military to re-tool itself just to get ready to fight. France and the UK treated the US as a second-rate source of bodies for a while because of the 1917 amateur hour.

    in this scenario, we have the fairly jingoist TR building up the US army in 1912, just as he did with the Navy in his first time. and instead of getting sucked into the war, TR almost eagerly jumps in.....

    I'm really looking forward to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    doing a bit of necromancy here, but just wanted to let Z know that one of our favorite authors, SM Stirling, is busy writing a book with some similarities to this. book starts with Teddy Roosevelt beating Taft and winning the 1912 election.

    Woodrow Wilson was pretty much an academic's academic, and actively disliked the military. he almost cashiered the General Staff when he found out that the General Staff had war plans against other nations, because he thought that meant the War Department was actively trying to get the US into war.

    so this type of foolishness resulted in the US being remarkably unprepared for war in 1917. it took an enormous amount of German stupidity (Zimmerman telegram) to push the US in, and then it took a long time for the US military to re-tool itself just to get ready to fight. France and the UK treated the US as a second-rate source of bodies for a while because of the 1917 amateur hour.

    in this scenario, we have the fairly jingoist TR building up the US army in 1912, just as he did with the Navy in his first time. and instead of getting sucked into the war, TR almost eagerly jumps in.....

    I'm really looking forward to this.
    That should be a very good book, I like his writing style.

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