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    Formal disciplinary procedures have begun against both the Chief General of the Armed Forces Office (a 4-star with only 4 months left until pension) and his judiciary advisor that together allowed Franco A. to rewrite his master thesis in 2014 rather than running disciplinary investigations against him. Since the infraction is longer than six months ago such formal disciplinary procedures can only be started if the "intended outcome" is punishment through disciplinary arrest, a reduction in rank, docking salary, reducing pension or similar. Informal investigations against the two began two weeks ago.

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    The way Franco A. got his asylum hearing has been analyzed: The translator - a Moroccan - did have grave doubts about the person who only spoke a little Arabic and semi-fluent French (with some other oddities in his claims) but says she did not dare to voice them since she deduced him to likely be an Israeli trying to get asylum posing as a Syrian.

    No comparable cases have been found in BAMF files; 2,000 cases which involved the same particular staff have been investigated. BAMF is now pushing ahead the - previously scheduled for later in the year - revision hearings for about 80,000 to 100,000 people who got asylum during the same year and fit certain criteria (men between 18 and 35 or 40 years from 10 countries) on a more general basis.

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    The Beate Zschäpe NSU case is slowly coming to an end after a couple years: The court has closed the witness hearings. Before the summer break - beginning on tuesday - the final speech of the prosecution is still due, planned to take 22 hours. Defense is trying to push it past the summer break through injunctions asking for the speech to be taped or stenotyped, which the judge denied them yesterday. The victim attorneys - 62 attorneys representing 86 people - will hold their speeches in September, after the summer break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    The trial started today.

    NSU neo-Nazi murder trial opens in Munich | News | DW.DE | 06.05.2013
    German NSU Neo Nazi Trial Starts in Munich - SPIEGEL ONLINE

    After opening, the trial was postponed until next tuesday since the defendant questions the judges neutrality (Anadolu News agency article). This accusation will be examined by an independent panel of peers before the next court day.

    Edit, P.S.: Both Zschäpe and Wohlleben raised the non-neutrality question. Zschäpe's attorneys used the fact that unlike other official attendants of the trial they were searched for weapons and hence the court apparently considers them criminals (the attorneys are court-appointed duty councils); Wohlleben's attorneys bemourn the fact that he only got two court-appointed duty councils, not three like Zschäpe (the other three accused only got one guy paid for each, due to the lesser gravity of their crimes).
    Good Lord...four years ago and still ongoing.

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    The defense is pretty efficient in drawing the case out ad nauseam. Every time the judge tried to close witness hearings over the last half year or so so they could move to the final stage the defense would challenge the court as biased. There are estimates that due to required security etc each court day so far cost about 150,000 Euro and hence just trying the case so far cost the state 55-60 million Euro.

    Of the five accused only two are sitting in jail: Beate Zschäpe herself and Wohlleben. Carsten S., the guy who transferred the gun from Wohlleben to the two dead NSU members, pretty early started talking and is currently in a witness protection program; his account included another explosives attack by NSU in June 1999 that had not been connected to them previously. The other two accused, Holger G. and Andre E. are at their homes since their likely sentences won't be sufficient to put them in jail for 4-5 years during the trial; both Wohlleben and Zschäpe can expect severely more than just 4-5 years, with the time they're in now being counted against their future sentences.

    Seven witnesses in the case have died since its beginning including one from old age (she was 80) with the other six...: two supposedly committed suicide by setting their cars on fire while sitting in them (... one while on the way to police to make a statement, the other two years before Zschäpe was arrested); one, the ex-girlfriend of the one who burned to death during the trial, died two years later from an ebolism after scratching her leg in a bike crash; one - the ex-fiance of the biker - killed himself in some other way a year later; one - a domestic intelligence informant in witness protection - died from undiagnosed diabetes; one was cremated inbetween the court being told she was dead and trying to get an autopsy order.

    The deaths are mostly used for propaganda by far-right extremist media claiming some sort of conspiracy by the state to shut up people who could get Zschäpe out of a sentence. Left media instead suspects some small group or an individual going around killing witnesses who could get that person into the police's sights; this is in particular fueled by three facts: that one of the two guys who burned to death had previously claimed that he knew who precisely had shot a police officer in 2007 (which is one of the murders Zschäpe is accused of); that all these seven dead witnesses are particular to that one single murder (... and not the 15 or so others); and that several police officers who had served with the one killed - including her direct superior - had been members of the European White Knights of the Ku-Klux-Klan for a few months five years earlier before it was dissolved.

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    Not much news on the Franco A. case (the arrested soldier - he's still under arrest), although based on witness accounts from this case - and other initial evidence, mostly intercepted chat protocols - police searched the homes and offices of two men in the coastal state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern a few days ago.

    The two are being investigated for "preparing for a civil war" which they apparently conceived as being imminent due to refugees (or whatever) and which they were planning to use to abduct and kill left-wing politicians and civilians. The two were preppers to some extent, hoarding (legal) firearms, ammunition and other basic necessities for their civil war. One of the two is a police officer, the other is an attorney and local politician with a seat in the city parliament of Rostock - in fact he's the deputy chairman of the supporting party of the city's mayor, a political splinter group formerly belonging to the procapitalist FDP. The home and offices of another police officer, supposedly a highly ranking member of the state criminal police, were also searched. The searches were conducted by federal police, notably not involving any state police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Third arrested [Maximilian T.] is now suspected of stealing a service sidearm [...]
    Maximilian T. was released from arrest in July for lack of sufficient evidence warranting holding him. He is now subject to a formal disciplinary process in the Bundeswehr for "false reporting" though, not allowed to attend service or wear a uniform (he's a First Lieutenant in the 291st Infantry Battalion stationed in Illkirch, France); he's basically sitting at home and has to call in daily or so.

    The AfD has now admitted that Maximilian T. is a member of their party - after denying exactly that back in May.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeeCoffee View Post
    Good Lord...four years ago and still ongoing.
    Final prosecution speech is currently ongoing and will be finished with the Federal Attorney calling for a life sentence plus security detention for her once that's done (... on September 12th). With regard to Zschäpe the speech is finished, the part next week will focus on the other four accused. They're apparently going to try for a full package there too, calling for a verdict on supporting a terrorist organization (for all four), on nine instances of assistance to murder (for Ralf Wohlleben and Carsten S.) and for one instance of assistance to attempted murder plus multiple instances of assistance to armed robbery (for Holger G.).

    People are watching the prosecution speech for other things though - and so far the press finds that state involvement in the case is effectively cast aside. Last week the court was interrupted for ten minutes by some political activists invading the room (for the first time since the case started), accusing the Federal Attorney of actively preventing an investigation of state involvement, i.e. mostly preventing investigation of undercover agents of domestic intelligence services as part of the case.

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    Prosecution has announced the verdicts they're asking for in their final speech:
    • life sentence plus "grave guilt" (1) plus security detention afterwards for Beate Zschäpe [the maximum German law allows in sentencing]
    • 12 years for Ralf Wohlleben (2) for 9 cases of assistance to murder by providing a firearm to the terrorists [75% of maximum possible in his case]
    • 12 years for Andre E. (3), since they're going for assistance to attempted murder instead of only assistance to an explosives attack [otherwise the maximum would be about 11 years, this way it'd also be 75% of the maximum possible]
    • 5 years for Holger G. for providing fake IDs and quarters to the terrorists [half of the maximum possible]
    • 3 years of youth arrest (4) for Carsten S., the courier for the firearm Wohlleben organized [the minimum for assistance to murder]

    (1) means that instead of a possibility to apply for a parole hearing after 15 years she'll get a hearing after 15 years in which it is decided when she can apply for a parole hearing at the earliest (and another 10-15 years are standard there, with no upper limit - the currently longest-serving prisoner with this sentence has been in prison for 55 years, and given his last application was denied in 2014 at age 78 he'll probably be in till he dies). Security detention means that if she'll ever be paroled she'll simply be moved to another, more comfortable... well, we don't call it prison, but it is one.
    (2) Wohlleben has been in jail for the last six years while the trial was going on. These will count against the sought-after 12 years.
    (3) Andre E. so far was not under arrest due to a likely short sentence, other than a few months at the beginning of investigations. At the point this sought-after sentence was announced prosecution also asked for an arrest order for him; the judge interrupted the session and had him arrested in the court room.
    (4) notional "youth arrest" because he was under 21 at the time. He would serve this in a regular prison though.

    The announcement yesterday was a surprise mostly for Andre E. whose body shows his convictions (no, i'm not embedding that picture here) and who up until the final speech started about a week ago was still making jokes and laughing in the courtroom.
    Zschäpe took it on as usual since the start of the trial, without so much as a shrug.
    The sentence for Carsten S. is that low because he acted as a crown witness since the start of the trial, pretty much admitting all and giving witness accounts on the others.

    Also a couple English articles on this announcement out there, e.g. from the BBC. Here's the one from DW:

    NSU trial: Federal prosecutor demands life sentence for Beate Zschäpe

    Prosecutors in one of Germany's most closely-watched trials have demanded that Beate Zschäpe serve a life sentence for her alleged part in a string of neo-Nazi murders. The trial is entering its closing stage.


    Germany's Federal Prosecutor Herbert Diemer told a Munich court on Tuesday that Beate Zschäpe was complicit in every one of the National Socialist Underground's (NSU) 10 murders, two bombings and 15 robberies, carried out between 2000 and 2007.

    Diemer told the court that a sentence was due for each individual murder.

    The NSU, a right-wing extremist group, murdered eight Turks, a Greek and a German policewoman over the seven-year period. The group also carried out two bomb attacks in Cologne, as well as a handful of robberies.

    Diemer said that Zschäpe, along with her late accomplices Uwe Mundlos and Uwe Böhnhardt, had an obvious affiliation with neo-Nazi ideology and sought to stoke fear among migrants living in Germany with random murders. Zschäpe had shown a willingness to being "a key member" of the NSU and made up "one-third of a conspiring triumvirate," he said.

    Diemer had yet to comment on what further sentences Zschäpe should face for the NSU's subsequent robberies and arson attacks.

    Read more: NSU trial: Zschäpe's one word about a child's murder

    Zschäpe has denied any involvement in the murders, laying all the blame on Mundlos and Böhnhardt, with whom she lived for years in hiding.

    The marathon trial, which began four years ago, has become one of the mostly closely watched court cases in German history. Four further defendants face charges of aiding and abetting the NSU's murders, including a former official at the far-right National Democratic Party (NPD).

    Zschäpe's suspected co-conspirators, Mundlos and Böhnhardt, died in an apparent suicide-murder in 2011. Following their deaths, the German public and media were shocked to discover that the far-right cell was behind the killings, and not migrant crime gangs as previously suspected.

    dm/kms (AFP, dpa)
    http://www.dw.com/en/nsu-trial-feder...4pe/a-40461231

    On some other cases mentioned in this thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Some 200 officers - including GSG9 - arrested four men and a women today on suspicion of having formed a terrorist group.
    The group had formed a local militia - "Bürgerwehr FTL/360" - in Freital, Saxony (which is somewhat notorious in Germany by now*) and supposedly included 8 people that committed attacks using explosives on refugee homes, leftist groups, an office of the Left party and the car of a city official during September and October last year; the other three have been in jail since November, a few days after the last attack.
    The trial against this group is ongoing since May this year, and will probably last until 2018 as well. They're currently around court day 48 there. By comparison it's pretty low-key though, with very little public interest and even barely any attending audience in the courtroom. Charges against the eight are for forming a terrorist group, for attempted murder, for attacks using explosives and for aggravated battery (committed during an explosives attack on the car of a politician, two separate explosives attacks on refugee homes injuring one, an explosives attack against a party office of the Left and for throwing stones and chemicals against a leftist group injuring one) - possible maximum sentences are in the 10-15 year region.

    Somewhat classy: since Saxony does not have a courtroom large - and secure - enough for the trial they're holding it in the converted mess hall of an empty refugee home.

    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    A similar group - Oldschool Society - was arrested last May before they could commit any attacks. They were planning explosives attacks on refugee homes and mosques. They were also located in Saxony.
    The trial against Old School Society concluded in March this year. The two "presidents" got 5 year and 4 year 6 month sentences respectively, the other two accused 3 year 10 month and 3 year sentences respectively. The sentences were for forming a terrorist group, planning an explosives attack and procuring the explosives for that in the Czech Republic. One of the four sentenced is from Freital, the same village that the above FTL/360 militia was formed in shortly after.

    The OSS group had about 25 other members mostly in contact over the internet (Facebook, the more serious stuff went on in Telegram messaging service); these weren't subject in the trial. The sentences handed out were lowered for the fact that one of those about 25 others was an undercover police officer pulling surveillance on the group the entire time, interrupting once there was sufficient stuff going on for arrests.
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    Thank you again for providing updates carried predominantly on German media.
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