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  • Very nice! Now a little pin-striping.....:)

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    • Originally posted by DonBelt View Post
      Very nice! Now a little pin-striping.....:)
      Pin-striping?? Naw, she'd look too much like a "pimp boat"!

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      • Originally posted by SlaterDoc View Post
        Pin-striping?? Naw, she'd look too much like a "pimp boat"!
        How 'bout flames then? :danc:
        RIP Charles "Bob" Spence. 1936-2014.

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        • A little VonDutch never hurt any one! :Dancing-Banana:

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          • OK, no VonDutch! But, maybe a little Picasso?

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            • Why are the wrong colors being used? MS 32 did not have Navy Blue 5N as a vertical color. All those dark blue ares should be black.

              You seem to be using the color scheme for 3d(ex) which was a TEST scheme. That scheme had Measure 32 colors on the Starboard side and Measure 33 colors Port.

              Is there documentation that shows Slater in that scheme?
              Last edited by Gun Grape; 16 Jun 14,, 00:50.

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              • the other question. Does she have her WW2 AA 1944 mods from her yard time before going to the Pacific. Does she have twin 40mm vice single ones? If so then the historically accurate paint job she should wear is MS 21. All Blue.

                Thats what she wore on her way to the Pacific. And I'm looking at the pics from the Slater website that show it.

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                • Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                  the other question. Does she have her WW2 AA 1944 mods from her yard time before going to the Pacific. Does she have twin 40mm vice single ones? If so then the historically accurate paint job she should wear is MS 21. All Blue.

                  Thats what she wore on her way to the Pacific. And I'm looking at the pics from the Slater website that show it.
                  I am not sure why the "5N" instead of the "dull black". But at this stage of the game I am not going to complain! It may have been $$ or what the yard had available.
                  You can see by these photos that she had 32 on "port" and 33 on "starboard" and that was up until June 45 when she entered Brooklyn and was redone for the Pacific.


                  and them the MS21 after leaving Brooklyn for the Pacific.


                  Yes, she has her dual 40's. She was in dazzle in 45 up until June.
                  She is being restored to historically correct configurations of her time in service. Maybe not a specific moment! When I am finished with the accurate restoration of Sickbay, it will be to late 44. Without being too "purist" about her restoration, she represents history better than most any other historical ship.
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                  • Hate to nitpick but you are confusing the Measure with the pattern.

                    Measures designate color.
                    Measure 31 is Haze Grey 5-H, Ocean Grey 5-O and Dull Black Bk

                    Measure 32 is Light Grey 5-l, Ocean Grey 5-O, and Dull Black Bk

                    Measure 33 is Pale Grey 5-P, Haze Grey 5-H and Navy Blue 5-N

                    The design that the Slater is being painted in is 3d.

                    But if you paint her 32/33 then the design is 3d (Ex) a experimental scheme that came out in Sept-Nov 44 that there is no documentation that she was painted in.

                    Records show her being in 32/3d.

                    I understand that its probably to late to change. But know that you are going to get more than a few "Hey that color scheme is wrong" from visitors. Ask the USS North Carolina what thats like.

                    And maint is going to be more expensive if you have different colors port/starboard

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                    • Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                      Hate to nitpick but you are confusing the Measure with the pattern.

                      Measures designate color.
                      Measure 31 is Haze Grey 5-H, Ocean Grey 5-O and Dull Black Bk

                      Measure 32 is Light Grey 5-l, Ocean Grey 5-O, and Dull Black Bk

                      Measure 33 is Pale Grey 5-P, Haze Grey 5-H and Navy Blue 5-N

                      The design that the Slater is being painted in is 3d.

                      But if you paint her 32/33 then the design is 3d (Ex) a experimental scheme that came out in Sept-Nov 44 that there is no documentation that she was painted in.

                      Records show her being in 32/3d.

                      I understand that its probably to late to change. But know that you are going to get more than a few "Hey that color scheme is wrong" from visitors. Ask the USS North Carolina what that's like.

                      And maint is going to be more expensive if you have different colors port/starboard
                      Are you sure you don't mean to nit pick?
                      Kidding!

                      Though I don't know why the 5N is being used instead of the dull black, I will find out. It is a little confusing since the Exec. Director is a stickler on authentic! If she does return to Albany with the 5N I am sure the crew will correct that in the near future and cover it with the dull black as the pride in correctness runs deep amongst her Navy vet crew. At least the dazzle scheme and the rest of the colors are correct.
                      If nothing else, the questions from guests will make for good conversation!
                      I know for sure when the sightseers and the media see her coming into port there will be a lot of comments and talk about her new look!

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                      • Originally posted by SlaterDoc View Post
                        Are you sure you don't mean to nit pick?
                        Kidding!
                        I got stuck on the dazzle schemes doing my 1/350 Van Valkenburg. And I'm currently looking at buying 2 1/350 USS Englands. One to mod to a Butler class (Sammie B) and haven't figured out what the other will be.

                        I've been doing a bit of research on which ship wore what cammo pattern. I really don't want to paint another ship Measure 21 or 22.

                        So call my questions more of an outpouring of my current obsession then nitpicking. If you find that the Slater wore 32/33/3d(Exp) then she will move up to "I gotta do that boat" status.

                        At least the dazzle scheme and the rest of the colors are correct.
                        But the other colors will not be correct. Pale grey instead of the correct Light Grey. And Haze Grey instead of Ocean Grey.

                        Just curious, are the decks being painted Deck Blue 20-B ? Deck Blue and Navy Blue are almost indistinguishable.

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                        • The best I can come up with at this time GG (until I am back on-board) is that she is being painted this version of 32/3d and 33/3d for a few reasons. What was available and affordable is the first. Also, USS Slater is representative of all the DE's of WW2. She houses a museum to all the DE's in her aft berthing. Also, our Exec has had experiences in the past with dull finishes oxidizing too quickly, fading and failing. All the colors used are gloss and should last longer before needing to be redone. So, a little varying from the strict adherence to accuracy was sacrificed. She still looks good though!
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                          • Originally posted by SlaterDoc View Post
                            Also, our Exec has had experiences in the past with dull finishes oxidizing too quickly, fading and failing. All the colors used are gloss and should last longer before needing to be redone.
                            I can vouch for this. Flat paint SUCKS! Basically it acts just like when gloss paint has dulled after many years of sunlight so you don't get much protection at all. I try and steer people away from it but some are stubborn . While this won't be correct atleast it'll last quite a bit longer which is good for a museum with a small budget. Thanks again for the pics Doc!
                            RIP Charles "Bob" Spence. 1936-2014.

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                            • Originally posted by SlaterDoc View Post
                              The best I can come up with at this time GG (until I am back on-board) is that she is being painted this version of 32/3d and 33/3d for a few reasons. What was available and affordable is the first. Also, USS Slater is representative of all the DE's of WW2. She houses a museum to all the DE's in her aft berthing. Also, our Exec has had experiences in the past with dull finishes oxidizing too quickly, fading and failing. All the colors used are gloss and should last longer before needing to be redone. So, a little varying from the strict adherence to accuracy was sacrificed. She still looks good though!
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                              I see Blue on both sides. So it seems that she is painted in Measure 33 all over.

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                              • It's a "version" of Measure 32/3d. That's my story and I'm sticking with it!
                                Besides, any good interior decorator will tell you "it's all in the lighting".
                                As this recent pic demonstrates, she looks just a little closer to the black and etc!


                                She is scheduled to depart Staten Island at 0500hrs tomorrow, Monday, 06/30 for Albany. If she leaves as scheduled (never happens) she should be passing the Statue of Liberty around 0545.
                                I am hoping to catch a shot from this particular live cam. What a pic that will make!
                                EarthCam - Statue of Liberty TorchCam
                                The lighting should be perfect with the rising Sun to the East shining on Slater's starboard side and the statue! (Sunrise 6/30, 05:28)
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