Page 4 of 33 FirstFirst 12345678910111213 ... LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 495

Thread: Southern Border Developments

  1. #46
    Banned Jeremy's Avatar
    Join Date
    29 Mar 05
    Posts
    88
    Well, if you don't want to machine them down, why are the citizens in the article carrying guns to the border? Simple, shoot the Mexicans if they try to cross.

  2. #47
    Banned Jeremy's Avatar
    Join Date
    29 Mar 05
    Posts
    88
    You don't have to pay taxes & or get a driver's license if you don't want. But if you get busted, there will be hell to pay. If there was no penalty, who cares?

    The US Government is at fault, not the Mexicans. Maybe their is a consipracy? Maybe the USG wants the Mexicans here.

  3. #48
    Staff Emeritus Julie's Avatar
    Join Date
    04 Aug 03
    Location
    Georgia, USA
    Posts
    10,832
    Since its inception the ABC Initiative has contributed to the apprehension of over 351,700 illegal immigrants along the Arizona border. The seven-month period in 2004, compared to 2003 depicts a 56% increase in apprehensions.

    As of September 19, 2004, over 12,000 Mexican national entering the U.S. illegally have been repatriated under this safe and orderly program.

    The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) estimates that in January of 2000 there were 7 million illegal aliens living in the United States, a number that is growing by half a million a year. Thus, the illegal-alien population in 2003 stands at approximately 8 million. Included in this estimate are around 78,000 illegal aliens from countries who are of special concern in the war on terror. It is important to note that the 500,000 annual increase is the net growth in the illegal alien population.

  4. #49
    Banned Jeremy's Avatar
    Join Date
    29 Mar 05
    Posts
    88
    500,000 Mexicans cross a year! Damn, that's alot of taco stores coming to a town near you! That's 1369 per day! If you're a private citizen & taking a gun to the border, you'd better take alot of bullets!

  5. #50
    Global Moderator
    Comrade Commissar
    TopHatter's Avatar
    Join Date
    03 Sep 03
    Posts
    16,249
    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead
    I think Jeremy is simply making an attempt to show the motivation behind the illegal immigrants. The "other side of the border" is greener approach.
    The facts are that when people sneek across the border of most any other country, you are risking life, limb and serious jail time. Forget about health care, welfare, jobs, and education. Sneaking into america carries little risk of retribution from the U.S. government. Casting your lot with smugglers is risky though. Once you get across the border, you can get a drivers licence in some states, and when you find a job, the pay is much better than in Mexico. Healthcare and welfare is also available. Their are bilingual atm machines, police officers, county health and welfare people. bank tellers, waiters, all catering to them. Many can get by without learning a single word of english. If I went to Mexico to work, I would expect to learn the language and local culture so I can better fit in. Even if the illegals end up in jail, they get a due process that their homeland wouldn't give them and the jails in the U.S. are often times better than where they lived in Mexico.
    The problem is that Mexicans have been sneaking into the states for so long they think it is their right. Kind of like when we go 10 miles over the speed limit for 10 years and then finally get a ticket. Our first reaction is "Officer! you cant give me a ticket! I have been driving like this for a decade. If it was wrong, surely I would have been ticketed before." when we first speed it is a guilty pleasure, after about a week of not getting caught the pleasure changes to a right(in our minds) and we expect to drive over the limit. The longer we speed, the more pissed we are when we finally get caught. Well, the Mexicans have been speeding into the united states for so long, they actually think any effort on our part to limit their border activities is a violation of their rights. The sooner we put a stop to this nonsence the better.

    Out of curiosity, does anyone know what Mexico does with illegal imigrants from central america that go to Mexico?
    Could not have put it any better bonehead. Great post.
    Far better it is to dare mighty things, than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits who know neither victory nor defeat ~ Theodore Roosevelt

  6. #51
    Staff Emeritus Julie's Avatar
    Join Date
    04 Aug 03
    Location
    Georgia, USA
    Posts
    10,832
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy
    500,000 Mexicans cross a year! Damn, that's alot of taco stores coming to a town near you! That's 1369 per day! If you're a private citizen & taking a gun to the border, you'd better take alot of bullets!
    That's right, and all that dough they are making is "tax free." Unlike what WE have to pay.

  7. #52
    Staff Emeritus Confed999's Avatar
    Join Date
    10 Sep 03
    Location
    Illinois
    Posts
    10,026
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy
    If Bush & Clinton don't care
    They do care, and I allready told you why.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy
    why should I care?
    Because it's costing you money, increasing crime and possibly allowing terrorists into the country, just for a start.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy
    Well, if you don't want to machine them down, why are the citizens in the article carrying guns to the border? Simple, shoot the Mexicans if they try to cross.
    So everyone with a gun is out to kill someone? How many have they killed so far?
    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter
    Could not have put it any better bonehead. Great post.
    Sad he didn't read/understand it.
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administrationís goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. Itís the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

  8. #53
    Banned Senior Contributor dalem's Avatar
    Join Date
    24 Nov 04
    Location
    Columbia Heights, MN
    Posts
    13,048
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy
    Well, if you don't want to machine them down, why are the citizens in the article carrying guns to the border? Simple, shoot the Mexicans if they try to cross.
    No, to protect themselves if they get into trouble if the illegals resist lawful detention by U.S. citizens. If they wanted to just shoot them they'd be bringing rifles and lawn chairs, not pistols.

    And the above is why I think this is a risky, if long-overdue, reaction by the citizenry. Some poor bastage is going to get shot before it's over, I bet. No one will want that to happen, but it is likely that it will if there are enough confrontations.

    Still, if this is what it takes to convince the pols that their constituents are serious...

    -dale

  9. #54
    Banned Senior Contributor dalem's Avatar
    Join Date
    24 Nov 04
    Location
    Columbia Heights, MN
    Posts
    13,048
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy
    You don't have to pay taxes & or get a driver's license if you don't want. But if you get busted, there will be hell to pay. If there was no penalty, who cares?

    The US Government is at fault, not the Mexicans. Maybe their is a consipracy? Maybe the USG wants the Mexicans here.
    So again, you favor anarchy over the Rule of Law. Interesting.

    -dale

  10. #55
    Banned Jeremy's Avatar
    Join Date
    29 Mar 05
    Posts
    88
    Anarchy, a little extreme comment just because I understand the Mexican plight. Hitler had Laws too, was breaking Hitler's Law's Anarchy?

  11. #56
    Staff Emeritus
    Join Date
    03 Aug 03
    Posts
    16,429
    And i could freaking care less about the mexicans plight.

    It's not my fault their country is a cess-pool.

  12. #57
    Banned Jeremy's Avatar
    Join Date
    29 Mar 05
    Posts
    88
    Be a little kinder to Mexicans, they are nice people. The Mexican government is corrupt, but the people are awesome. It's not wrong to want to come to America, it's not wrong to be poor either.

  13. #58
    Banned Senior Contributor dalem's Avatar
    Join Date
    24 Nov 04
    Location
    Columbia Heights, MN
    Posts
    13,048
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy
    Be a little kinder to Mexicans, they are nice people. The Mexican government is corrupt, but the people are awesome. It's not wrong to want to come to America, it's not wrong to be poor either.
    It is wrong to come to America when you are not invited. That seems to be the point you disagree with. It's not only wrong if you get caught - it's wrong if you do it.

    -dale

  14. #59
    Patron
    Join Date
    24 Oct 04
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    220
    Ah, yes. A topic near and dear to my heart.

    While I am hesitant about endorsing the use of private militias to enforce the sovereignty of our borders--because of the potential for abuses being perpetrated by bigots under the guise of law enforcement--I do understand the motivation to take such action.

    I am about to make some very strong statements. I hope that my explanations will prove up to the task of defending those statements. The bottom line is that I do not want Latinos coming to this country and polluting our culture. And, no, it isn't about their skin tone or color.

    Yes, many are friendly--and that admission is completely irrelevant. Yes, they are "laid back." And that's the problem. We don't need "laid back" people coming to this country. That laid back attitude is the reason why every single Latino culture suffers from varying degrees of social, economic, and political turmoil. People get the culture and government that they deserve. If these people are dissatisfied with the outlook in their countries, be it because of abuse or corruption, then they need to work for a better country instead of pulling up stakes. In doing the latter, they are simply attempting to capitalize on the hard work of others that built this country. They take the easy way out--the coward's way out.

    And, unlike those immigrants who go through the process of relocating to this country legally, these people feel no obligation to assimilate. Part of that is their desire to maintain a low profile to avoid deportation (a profile brought upon themselves by their illegal actions). The other half of the equation is simple stubborness--Latino pride--on their part. It is for these reasons that we have ATMs with Spanish-language electronic menus, Spanish-language cable TV stations, and Spanish-language newspapers in this country. Yes, other ethnicities have language and cultural-related aspects represented within this society, but they are limited in their scope and confined to specific enclaves. This is an unspoken acknowledgement on their part that they have no right to demand an equal place for their culture within America.

    That is not the case with Latinos. They are unrepentent in playing the racism card when any sort of criticism is leveled at them as a group. There are many of them who are outspoken in their belief that Texas and California were "stolen" from the Latinos. I guess it's convenient for them to overlook any bloodshed and land acquisition through warfare when it comes to establishing borders and identities of their countries, but it is theft when it involves the gringos (and please note the parallel in such attitudes with those held by Arabs with regard to Israel). And they willfully blind themselves to the truth of such an alternate reality. They look at the economic prosperity, the towers of glass and steel, and say to themselves, "Man, this would have been ours had the Americans not stolen it from us."

    Yeah, right, sure. Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California would have the same Third World slum-level economic and political development that all Latino countries have (once you get away from the tourist spots) if they had controlled the area for the past 100 years.

    They do not demand equality of individuals. They are demanding equality of cultural recognition and entrenchment. They are demanding co-existence and equality of cultures within a single country--but are unwilling to have the lesser culture put to any sort of litmus test as a qualifier. Added into the mix is the dishonesty and lack of intergrity of not paying taxes while sticking Americans with the bill for educating their children, unpaid medical services, and prison population expansion.

    All these things considered, I find it difficult to understand from what part of their psyche Latino pride originates. When I lived in Miami (known by many residing in that city as "North Cuba"), I attended a soccer match between a Cuban team and an American team. There were tens of thousands of Cuban exiles and their families in attendance, as well. And yet fluttering in the breeze, held aloft in their hands, were...miniature Cuban flags, not American ones.

    I couldn't help but wonder why they found it so impossible to show such fervor and devotion to America. And I'm talking about a lot of young people--people who have never even seen Cuba. It is difficult to escape the conclusion of ethnic bigotry on their part. And I won't bother regailing you with stories of walking into businesses in some Miami neighborhoods to find that none the employees could speak English.

    I have personally seen, in Florida, Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, pleasant, middle-class neighborhoods turned into unmitigated slums in the space of only a few years after the influx of Hispanics into those neighborhoods--trash in the yards, grafitti spray-painted everywhere, abandoned derelict cars lining streets, and accelerating crime rates. In each case you had what was called "white flight" from those neighborhoods. Frankly, I don't blame them for fleeing.

    Of course, you have some Americans--even conservatives--who would attempt to establish a link with the Latino influx via a religious bond. It is true that Christianity, particularly Catholicism, is very big in Latin America. But it's a slightly different kind of worship. They do a lot of praying, light a lot of candles, and then sit back (in a very "laid back" style) and wait for God to do all of the work. Couple that with a demand for a socialist theory economic system--protesting only when they want the government to solve their problems by giving them (more of) something--and you have a very clear portrait of the political and ethical makeup of such people.

    Sorry, but we don't need that kind of mentality crossing a river to become an "American."

    Now, this issue isn't merely about what I perceive to be the gross failings of Latino cultures. There are some truly American issues at stake here. With the reality of terrorism acts within America being committed by those whose origins lie elsewhere, it is essential that we maintain a viable border from a security standpoint. We also have the right and obligation to maintain the sovereignty of our borders simply as a matter of national integrity. The suggestion that we are being unfair, and perhaps racist, in denying Hispanics an unfettered immigration to the country is an insult to our nation. The height of pathetic behavior is Mexico's El Presidente, Vincente Fox, who has stated that America needs to "understand Mexico's problems." Translation: Mexico fails where it counts most, but you better damn well not tell us that.

    Denial and blame shifting are often the tools used by those who cannot face the embarrassment of failure.

    Most come here claiming to seek a new life. The truth be told, they are seeking more money. That concept sounds harmless on the surface, but it is a facade that cloaks Latino apathy and allows problems within their homelands to go unchallenged. The criticism of America by foreign entities has been that we are obsessed with money. No, they are. They see America as a bottomless piggy bank. They would be like us, but without the undesireable 'Americanism' associated with this country's success. They have NO comprehension as to the undeniable connection between our affluence and the strength of our culture. To admit such a thing would force them to shamefully reevaluate the cultures they so easily left yet so avidly profess pride in. And any American attempting to articulate such a connection is castigated as being a "typically arrogant Yank."

    They don't have a clue about the true nature of America's success. And they never will.

    We don't need to be diluting our cultural strength through the acceptance of illegal immigration as an alternative to hurting the feelings of those who are unabashed in their rejection of our culture and ignorant of the true nature of what it is to be an American.
    Last edited by Lucien LaCroix; 04 Apr 05, at 13:52.
    "If I see further than other men, it is because I stand upon the shoulders of giants."

    --Sir Isaac Newton

  15. #60
    Senior Contributor
    Join Date
    12 Aug 03
    Location
    Long Island, New York, USA
    Posts
    2,726
    Very good post Lucien.

    Jeremy, out of curiosity, where would you happen to live?

    Out of curiosity, does anyone know what Mexico does with illegal imigrants from central america that go to Mexico?
    I belive they try to deport them, however at the same time they will activly help the Mexicans who try to cross illegally. They have something called Grupo Beta wich is like our Border Patrol that they use to patrol their border with Guatemala.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Southern Border Developments
    By troung in forum The Americas
    Replies: 87
    Last Post: 27 Apr 18,, 06:04
  2. Developments in Yemen
    By tantalus in forum The Middle East and North Africa
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 02 May 15,, 00:10
  3. How should one react in a southern border state?
    By Tamara in forum The Americas
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 15 Dec 13,, 03:34
  4. Iran And Possible Developments
    By Gazi in forum The Middle East and North Africa
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 26 Feb 06,, 16:02

Share this thread with friends:

Share this thread with friends:

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •