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    Southern Border Developments

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/polit...ary/index.html

    Trump: 'We're going to be guarding our border with the military' until wall complete

    President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he's calling on the military to guard the US-Mexico border until his long-promised border wall is complete.

    "I told Mexico, and I respect what they did, I said, look, your laws are very powerful, your laws are very strong. We have very bad laws for our border and we are going to be doing some things, I spoke with (Defense Secretary James) Mattis, we're going to do some things militarily. Until we can have a wall and proper security, we're going to be guarding our border with the military. That's a big step," he said during a luncheon with leaders of the Baltic states.

    He continued: "We cannot have people flowing into our country illegally, disappearing, and by the way never showing up for court."

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    So is the military just going to be watching, or actually trying to detain suspicious persons along the border (the later would run right into the posse comitatus act).

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    Didn't the Texas Governor call out the National Guard during a military exercise a few years back amid hysteria about Obama taking over Texas or something? Now an actual military deployment is being proposed by a different President I think we can safely assume there will be no hysterical reaction.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher View Post
    So is the military just going to be watching, or actually trying to detain suspicious persons along the border (the later would run right into the posse comitatus act).
    I would assume just watching. I see this though as a tactic by Trump - "give me my border wall or I'll take an even more extreme option".

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    Some more details from the WaPo.

    Full article (paywall): https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.2e08abcf68e3

    Trump is sending National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border

    The Trump administration announced Wednesday that it plans to send National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border as part of a larger crackdown on illegal immigration that includes pressuring Congress to tighten laws.

    But the strategy will require cooperation with border-state governors who oversee their respective National Guard operations, giving them considerable power over the scope of the administration’s deployment plans. That means President Trump’s ambition to dispatch troops to the border could be constrained by the state of California, which has repeatedly clashed with the administration over immigration and the environment.

    Administration officials on Wednesday disclosed few specifics about the planned deployment — such as how many troops will be sent to the border, how long they will be stationed there and what their tasks will be — citing ongoing discussions with the states.

    “I don’t want to get ahead of the governors. This is a partnership with them,” said Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, who made the formal announcement Wednesday. “We are giving them the opportunity to review our suggestions of how the National Guard can support the Border Patrol.”

    But Nielsen pledged that the size of the troop deployment will be “strong” and “as many as is needed to fill the gaps that we have today.”

    California was noncommittal Wednesday on the administration’s plans. Lt. Col. Tom Keegan, a spokesman for the state’s National Guard, said the state will “promptly” review the request to “determine how best we can assist our federal partners.” The California National Guard already has 55 personnel who provide support at the border through its anti-drug operations.

    “We look forward to more detail, including funding, duration and end state,” Keegan said.

    Meanwhile, Texas — which also has a contingent of National Guard personnel along the border — applauded the administration’s announcement.

    “Today’s action by the Trump administration reinforces Texas’ longstanding commitment to secure our southern border and uphold the Rule of Law, and I welcome the support,” Republican Gov. Greg Abbott said in a statement. “Going forward, Texas will continue to implement robust border security efforts, and this partnership will help ensure we are doing everything we can to stem the flow of illegal immigration.”

    Previous presidents, including Barack Obama and George W. Bush, have deployed National Guard personnel as backup to Border Patrol agents amid concerns about security and drug trafficking. In recent years, however, the number of people crossing illegally into the country has plummeted and is at its lowest level since 1971.

    Still, there are signs the numbers could rise. Statistics released Wednesday by the Department of Homeland Security showed that border agents apprehended about 50,300 people in March, a steep increase from March 2017, when that figure was about 16,600. The March 2017 number, however, was significantly lower than apprehensions from the previous four years.

    Theresa Cardinal Brown, a former policy adviser for Customs and Border Protection under the George W. Bush administration, said governors have negotiating power over deployment details, such as how long troops would be used and what their specific duties would be.

    She said, for instance, that California Gov. Jerry Brown, whose administration has sued the federal government over Trump’s border wall, could insist that his state’s National Guard troops not be employed to construct such barriers.

    “They would have a lot of control because this is a negotiation,” said Brown, who is now at the Bipartisan Policy Center. “DHS can’t do this unless the governors say yes.”

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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/polit...der/index.html
    Texas begins operation to send National Guard troops to the border

    Texas is preparing to deploy National Guard troops and vehicles to the border with Mexico, the state's top military commander said Friday.

    About 250 troops will be sent by Monday to the state's 1,254-mile long border with Mexico, Army National Guard Brig. Gen. Tracy Norris said.

    "This mobilization supports the priorities of the governor and the President in securing our borders," she told reporters.

    More troops will be sent once mission requirements and locations are determined, she added.

    Notifications for troops will go in the mail Saturday telling troops they need to report as early as next week, Norris said.

    Texas already has 100 National Guard soldiers on the border from another operation that began in 2014.

    One other southwestern state announced its National Guard plans. Arizona is sending 150 troops to the border next week, the state's department of military affairs said. Troops there will lend air support, help with reconnaissance and construction of border infrastructure and give logistics support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post
    Didn't the Texas Governor call out the National Guard during a military exercise a few years back amid hysteria about Obama taking over Texas or something?
    It was actually the Texas State Guard, a purely state-organized and run unit, that was deployed during Exercise Jade Helm 15 by right-wing nut Governor Greg Abbott

    Unlike the Texas National Guard, the TSG is completely separate from the National Guard and wholly free of federal jurisdiction or authority.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella View Post
    Now an actual military deployment is being proposed by a different President I think we can safely assume there will be no hysterical reaction.
    The issue here is border control, and the troops to be used are Texas National Guard, not Regular Army, so Texans aren't quite so skittish about it.

    Although, I suppose an especially imaginative tin-foil hatted genetic skidmark could make the case that this border control operation is just a front for Texans to be microchipped and hauled off to FEMA death camps....BUT! It's the skidmark's hero (another genetic skidmark) that's in the White House this time. So all is well. For now.

    As for "Trump is an evil person for sending troops to the border", that's kind of a non-starter, as mentioned in that WaPo article, both George W. Bush and Barack Obama both sent troops to the border to reinforce the Border Patrol.

    This whole thing is a tempest in a teapot. Despite Trump's maniacal glee at the thought of armored columns of tanks and infantry carriers rumbling up and down the fence line, the troops will undoubtedly do what they've done in the past: "...lend air support, help with reconnaissance and construction of border infrastructure and give logistics support."
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    More here: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...mexico-border/

    What happened when Bush, Obama sent troops to Mexico border

    HOUSTON — Since he launched his run for president, Donald Trump has said things about immigrants and the U.S.-Mexico border that no other U.S. president has. But now he’s reached directly into his predecessors’ playbook by sending in the National Guard.

    When former presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama deployed the Guard to the border in 2006 and 2010, they were pushing Congress to pass wide-ranging overhauls of immigration policy. Both overhauls failed. A 2011 government review estimated the Bush and Obama deployments cost at least $1.3 billion.

    Trump is also trying to reshape immigration law. But Congress so far has funded a fraction of the border wall he promised during his campaign, so the president said this week he wants 2,000 to 4,000 Guard troops on the frontier until the wall goes up. Trump called the deployments crucial to helping the U.S. Border Patrol, which after a drop-off last year has returned to apprehending about as many people as it typically does.
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    Full article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/w...an-mexico.html

    Migrant Caravan Arrives at U.S. Border, but Long Road Awaits

    MEXICALI, Mexico — The caravan of weary migrants that the Trump administration has called a threat to the sovereignty and security of the United States began to arrive on the northern border of Mexico on Tuesday, a month after the group started its journey at the country’s southern border with Guatemala.

    Two buses carrying about 130 migrants, most of them women and children, arrived at a migrant shelter in Mexicali, a border city, and were welcomed by volunteers and government officials who provided them with sandwiches, water, medical care and worn mattresses to rest on.

    After an hour-and-a-half stop, the participants, nearly all from Central America and fleeing poverty and violence in their homeland, pushed on toward Tijuana, the group’s final destination in Mexico, where many intended to apply for asylum in the United States.

    “Well, this is incredible,” said Bryan Claros, 20, a migrant from El Salvador who was traveling with his younger brother, Luis, and their stepfather, Andres Rodríguez.

    From where they were standing, on the broken sidewalk outside the Hotel del Migrantes shelter, they could see the steel border fence two blocks away and the tops of lamp posts and buildings on the other side, in Calexico, Calif.

    They had fled El Salvador because of a gang’s death threats, they said, and were planning to apply for asylum when they crossed into the United States from Tijuana. Organizers had encouraged participants to seek asylum at Tijuana rather than Mexicali because it was easier to arrange for volunteer lawyers.

    “We’ve almost arrived in the United States,” Mr. Claros said, smiling broadly at his brother. But then he considered the legal road ahead, and his smile faded.

    “There’s still a long way to go,” he said.

    Another several hundred caravan members were expected to follow later in the day in a separate convoy of buses, and a third contingent, traveling atop freight trains, later this week.

    The group of migrants set off from Tapachula, Mexico, on March 25, and moved north, more or less en masse, by foot, hitchhiking, on buses and by stowing away on trains.

    Such mass migrations have become an annual rite, usually around Easter week, with the size of the group providing protection against the criminals who lurk along the path and helping to draw public attention to their plight.

    This year’s group, which numbered upward of 1,200 in the journey’s early stages, was perhaps the largest on record. Still, like all the caravans that have come before, this one might easily have gone unnoticed had it not ended up on “Fox & Friends,” a favorite television show of President Trump.

    The president posted a series of messages on Twitter that warned of dangers from the group. Mr. Trump used the caravan as a cudgel against the Mexican government, accusing it of doing little to curb illegal northward migration, and as grounds to deploy the National Guard to the southwest border of the United States.

    With the caravan nearing the Mexico-United States border this week, Mr. Trump returned to the subject, saying on Twitter on Monday that he had instructed the Department of Homeland Security “not to let these large Caravans of people into our Country.”
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    Full article: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/14/hous...mise-bill.html

    House GOP immigration bill includes pathway to citizenship for 'Dreamers' and border wall funds

    • House Republicans unveil a draft immigration bill they will consider next week.
    • The legislation aims to balance the concerns of centrists and conservatives.
    • It would offer a path to citizenship for young immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children and fund President Donald Trump's proposed border wall.
    • It would also try to bar the separation of undocumented parents and children, a policy that has sparked an uproar.

    House Republicans unveiled a draft immigration bill Thursday that includes a pathway to citizenship for young immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children as well as border security measures sought by President Donald Trump, according to multiple reports.

    The 293-page legislation circulated to Republican members of Congress would notably try to bar the separation of undocumented children and parents at U.S. borders. The practice has embroiled the Trump administration in a political uproar in recent weeks.

    The proposal aims to assuage concerns of two flanks of the GOP, which controls the House. Centrist Republicans seek a solution for young undocumented immigrants stuck in legal limbo. Conservatives want to boost border security to crack down on illegal border crossings.

    The House plans to consider the bill as well as a more conservative proposal next week. Passage is far from guaranteed. It is unclear now whether the bill unveiled Thursday has enough votes to clear the chamber, and GOP leaders will gauge support for it Friday. It also may not pass in the narrowly divided Senate.

    The White House could also complicate matters. Trump has set out specific demands for a bill, including money for his proposed border wall, an end to the diversity visa "lottery" system and limits on family visa sponsorships. The Republican proposal appears to largely meet those goals.

    The bill would authorize roughly $25 billion for Trump's proposed physical barrier and enforcement technology, according to reports. It would offer legal status to the young immigrants, including an eventual path to permanent residency and then citizenship. It would tie the issuance of some visas to sustained border wall funding.
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    Full article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JH1W6

    U.S. military may house immigrant children as Trump policy beset by confusion

    WASHINGTON/MCALLEN, Texas (Reuters) - The U.S. military has been asked to get ready to house up to 20,000 immigrant children, officials said on Thursday, as President Donald Trump’s efforts to roll back a widely condemned policy of separating children from their parents were beset by confusion.

    While no decision has been made, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has already assessed three military bases in Texas and would review another in Arkansas, Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White said.

    She said HHS had asked the Pentagon “to determine its capabilities to provide up to 20,000 temporary beds for unaccompanied alien children” at military installations.”

    White did not give further details and it was not clear how many of the children who could be sent to the bases are already being detained at other facilities.

    Trump and his administration have faced fierce criticism in recent weeks for separating more than 2,300 children from their families in order to prosecute their parents for crossing the border illegally.

    Video footage of children sitting in cages and an audiotape of wailing children sparked worldwide anger.

    Trump backed down on Wednesday, signing an executive order to keep families together in detention during immigration proceedings.
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    Not the military's job to deal with this problem. I don't see why they're being dragged into it.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/polit...ren/index.html

    Military bases could house up to 20,000 undocumented immigrant children

    The US government might send up to 20,000 undocumented immigrant children to housing on US military bases, two defense officials said.
    The Department of Health and Human Services has assessed three bases in Texas and will visit a fourth in Arkansas, Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Jamie Davis said. The bases could be used as housing within a month if the pace of border crossings continues and no other solution is found, the defense officials said.
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