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    Except it doesn't. If it reflected the current day-to-day needs it'd be formed by an armoured division augmented by three or four light infantry brigades and not much else.

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    I mostly mentioned Georgia because some of the recent restructuring and buyings addresses problems encountered in 2008. By Germany, not by Russia.
    And i thought it was a sarcastic joke about type of enemies big armies prefer to fight...

    Theres is probably something wrong with me.
    Winter is coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Planned future structure for the Air Force:
    • Air Combat: 3 Multirole Wing, 1 Strike/SEAD Wing, 1 Recce Wing
    Slightly reorganized:
    - 2 standard multirole wings (40 Eurofighter ea)
    - 1 oversized multirole wing (60 Eurofighter at two bases)
    - 1 strategic strike wing (B61 nukes + Taurus cruise missiles with Tornado IDS ASSTA-3 - was originally planned for EF conversion, now cut)
    - 1 recce wing, gaining SEAD role in 2016 (until then: one UAV squadron, one Tornado recce squadron)
    - 1 SEAD wing until 2016 (then dissolved)

    The three multirole wings are the current JG73, JG74 and JaBoG 31, with JG71 reduced to a single squadron and attached to one of these three wings. The strategic strike wing will be JaBoG 33, the SEAD wing to be dissolved is JaBoG 32.

    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Planned Structure for the Navy:
    • Squadrons: 1 Corvette Sq, 1 Mine Countermeasures Sq, 1 Submarine Sq, 1 LHD Sq
    LHD squadron not existant until we buy those LHDs for obvious reasons. Planned around 2018.

    First flotilla is and will remain dispersed to existing bases along the Baltic Sea. Corvette squadron at Rostock, MCM squadron at Kiel, Submarine squadron at Eckernförde. Second flotilla (frigates) concentrated at Wilhelmshaven on the North Sea. Kiel, Eckernförde and Rostock will have extra tenders and other ships (3 Type A404 and the sail training ship) attached to the bases for logistics and other purposes.
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    One year later, and the timetable is released. I'm gonna start with a moderately simple one.


    Timetable for SKB transformation


    • SKB Command
      • 03/2013: Planning Agency (Berlin): newly raised, absorbing Center for Transformation
      • 05/2013: SKB Command (Bonn) : newly raised, absorbing Forces Support Command and Area Defense Commands 09/2013
      • 09/2013: Center for Inner Leadership (Koblenz) : to be reorganized
      • 12/2013: Multinational Operational Command (Ulm) : newly established, absorbing Operational Reaction Forces Command
      • 12/2015: Command Academy (Hamburg) : to be reorganized
      • 12/2015: Federal Academy for Security Politics (Berlin) : to be reorganized
      • 12/2015: "KompZMilGSoWiBw" [1] (Potsdam) : newly established, absorbing Military Historical Research Agency
      • 04/2012-03/2016: Armed Forces Agency (Bonn) : to be reorganized, longterm
      • remaining as is: German Military NATO/EU Representative, MAD Counterintelligence Agency, Agency for Military Science

    • Logistics
      • 06/2013: Logistics Command (Erfurt) : newly raised, absorbing Logistics Regiments 17 and 46
      • 09/2013: Logistics Battalion 161 (Delmenhorst) : to be reorganized
      • 12/2013: Logistics Battalion 171 (Burg) : to be reorganized
      • 03/2014: Logistics Battalion 172 (Beelitz) : to be reorganized
      • 03/2014: Special Engineer Battalion 164 (Husum) : to be reorganized
      • 09/2014: Logistics Battalion 467 (Volkach) : to be reorganized
      • 12/2014: Logistics Battalion 472 (Kümmersbruck) : to be reorganized
      • 03/2015: Logistics Battalion 461 (Walldürn) : to be reorganized
      • 12/2015: Logistics School (Osterholz) : to be reorganized
      • 06/2016: Logistics Center (Wilhelmshaven) : to be reorganized
      • 12/2013-06/2016: to be dissolved: Logistics Brigade 1, Logistics Regiment 47, Logistics Btls 162 and 471, Transport Btls 165 and 465, Maintenance Btls 166 and 466, Supply Btl 462, Special Engineer Btl 464, Logistics Agency

    • Command Support
      • 06/2013: Command Support Command (Bonn) : newly raised
      • 06/2013: IT Systems Operations Center (Rheinbach) : newly raised, absorbs Command Support Regiment 28 in 09/2015
      • 01/2014: Command Support Battalion 292 (Dillingen) : existing, reestablished
      • 04/2014: Command Support Battalion 293 (Murnau) : existing, reestablished
      • 06/2014: Command Support Battalion 381 (Storkow) : existing, reestablished
      • 06/2014: Command Support Battalion 383 (Erfurt) : existing, reestablished
      • 01/2015: COM 1st NATO Signals Battalion (Wesel) : to be reorganized
      • 12/2015: Command Support School (Feldafing) : to be reorganized; to be rebased (Pöcking) 12/2016
      • 12/2014-12/2015: to be dissolved: Command Support Regiments 29 and 38, Command Support Battalions 283, 285, 286, 291, 382

    • Military Intelligence
      • 06/2013: Strategic Intelligence Command (Grafschaft) : existing, reestablished
      • 06/2013: Center for Imaging Reconnaissance (Grafschaft) : newly raised
      • 09/2013: Electronic Warfare Battalion 911 (Stadum) : newly raised, absorbing Signals Reconnaissance Section 911
      • 09/2013: Electronic Warfare Battalion 912 (Nienburg) : to be reorganized
      • 09/2013: Electronic Warfare Battalion 931 (Daun) : newly raised, absorbing Signals Reconnaissance Section 931
      • 09/2013: Electronic Warfare Battalion 932 (Frankenberg) : to be reorganized
      • 09/2013: Center for Electronic Warfare Analysis (Daun) : newly raised, absorbing Signals District 93
      • 03/2014: Center for Geoinformation (Euskirchen) : newly raised, absorbing Agency for Geoinformation
      • 12/2015: Strategic Reconnaissance School (Flensburg) : to be reorganized
      • 06/2013-09/2013: to be dissolved: Signals District 91, German Signals Liaison Group, Electronic Warfare Battalion 922

    • Territorial Missions
      • 06/2013: Territorial Mission Command (Berlin) : newly raised; absorbs Base Command Berlin in 09/2013
      • 09/2013: State Commands (15 cmds) : existing, reestablished
      • 09/2013: Guard Battalion (Berlin) : to be reorganized
      • 03/2013: Center for CMC (Nienburg) : newly raised, absorbing CIMIC-Center
      • 06/2014: Operative Communication Center (Mayen) : newly raised, absorbing Center for Operative Information and Operative Information Battalion 950
      • 06/2014-06/2015: to be dissolved: various training grounds; training ground commands to be reorganized 12/2014

    • NBC Defense
      • 09/2013: NBC Defense Command (Bruchsal) : newly raised; components from Light NBC Defense Companies 110 and 120; switch of all units below from Army to SKB
      • 12/2013: NBC Defense / Protection School (Sonthofen) : established
      • Bruchsal:
        • 09/2014: NBCDefBtl 750 : merged from NBC Defense Regiment 750 and Light NBC Defense Company 120
        • 09/2014: NBCDefBtl 750 (reserve) : existing, reestablished
        • 09/2014: CMC Base South, NBC Defense : formed from NBC Defense Company 955 (reserve)

      • Höxter:
        • 09/2014: NBCDefBtl 7 : merged from NBCDefBtl 7 and Light NBC Defense Company 110
        • 09/2014: NBCDefBtl 9067 (reserve) : existing, reestablished
        • 09/2014: CMC Base North, NBC Defense : formed from NBC Defense Company 954 (reserve)


    • Military Police
      • 06/2013: Military Police Command (Hannover) : newly raised; switch of all units below to this command
      • 12/2015: Military Police School (Hannover) : to be reorganized
      • 03/2014: Military Police Regiment 1 (Hilden) : reestablished from MPBtl 252
      • 03/2014: Military Police Regiment 2 (Berlin) : reestablished from MPBtl 350
      • 03/2014: Military Police Regiment 3 (Munich) : reestablished from MPBtl 451
      • 03/2014: to be dissolved: Military Police Bataillons 151, 152, 251, 351, 452



    [1] no, i'm not even gonna try really translating it. I think it's something like "Competence Center for Military History and Military Social Sciences".

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    Navy

    • Navy Command
      • 09/2012: Navy Command (Rostock) : newly raised, absorbing Fleet Command and Navy Agency
      • 06/2015: Navy School Mürwik : to be reorganized
      • 09/2015: Navy NCO School : to be reorganized
      • 12/2015: Navy Officer School : to be reorganized

    • Naval Support Command
      • 09/2012: Naval Support Command (Wilhelmshaven) : newly raised
      • 09/2012: Naval Command Support Center 1 : newly raised, absorbing Naval Command Support Centers A from 09/2013
      • 09/2012: Naval Command Support Center 2 : newly raised, absorbing Naval Command Support Centers B and C from 09/2013

    • First Flotilla
      • 06/2013: 1st Submarine Squadron : to be reorganized, absorbing Submarine Training Center
      • 03/2014: Sea Battalion : newly raised, established from Naval Protection Forces
      • 03/2014: Special Forces Command Navy : newly raised, established from Special Task Forces Navy
      • 06/2014: 3rd Minesweeping Squadron : to be reorganized
      • 09/2014: 1st Corvette Squadron : to be reorganized
      • 12/2014: First Flotilla Command : to be reorganized
      • 12/2014: Naval Base Command Kiel : to be reorganized
      • 12/2014: Naval Base Command Eckernförde : to be reorganized
      • 12/2014: Naval Base Command Warnemünde : to be reorganized
      • 09/2016: Support Squadron : newly raised, established from 5th Minesweeping Squadron to be reorganized 06/2014

    • Second Flotilla
      • 09/2013: Second Flotilla Command : to be reorganized
      • 09/2013: Naval Base Command Wilhelmshaven : to be reorganized
      • 09/2013: 2nd Frigate Squadron : to be reorganized
      • 03/2015: 4th Frigate Squadron : to be reorganized
      • 03/2015: Auxiliary Squadron : to be reorganized

    • Naval Air Command
      • 09/2012: Naval Air Command : newly raised
      • 09/2012: Naval Air Wing 3 : existing, reestablished
      • 09/2012: Naval Air Wing 5 : existing, reestablished
      • 12/2015: Naval Officer Training Group Naval System Training : to be reorganized



    PS: The "Support Squadron" (Unterstützungsgeschwader) is what i called the LHD Squadron previously.
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    This one's "slightly" more complicated.

    Air Force

    • Air Force Command
      • 09/2012: Air Force Command (Berlin) : newly raised, absorbing ministerial staff of the Inspector General of the Air Force (Bonn)
      • Schortens Base
        • 09/2013: Air Force Command Support Group : to be reorganized, to move to Schortens at some point in the future
        • 09/2013: IT Sector 1 : to be reorganized, moving from Fürstenfeldbruck at some point in the future
        • 09/2013: IT Sector 2 : existing, reestablished from IT Sector 5 (Cologne)
        • 03/2014: Base Protection Regiment: to be reorganized, reduction to six infantry companies in two btl

      • Kalkar Base
        • 09/2013: Center for Air Operations : newly raised, absorbing Operational Command for Air Forces, Space Situation Command, Central Command for National Air Defense and Geoinformation Centers of the Luftwaffe at Kalkar, Münster and Meßstetten
        • 09/2013: Air Force Support Group Kalkar : to be reorganized
        • 09/2013: IT Sector 3 : to be reorganized, to move to Schortens at some point in the future

      • Cologne
        • 09/2013: Air Force Combat Forces Command : newly raised, absorbing Air Force Central Command and its staff company
        • 09/2013: Air Force Support Forces Command : newly raised, absorbing Air Force Agency
        • 09/2013: Air Force Support Group Wahn : to be reorganized
        • note: also base for VIP Attendance Wing (below)

      • Erndtebrück
        • 12/2013: Tactical Command Section 2 : to be reorganized
        • note: C4I bunker
        • unknown date: Technical Squadron 24 : newly raised, group command for eight detached elements at semi-automated radar sites

      • Schönewalde
        • 12/2013: Tactical Command Section 3 : to be reorganized
        • unknown date: Technical Squadron 35 : newly raised, group command for eight detached elements at semi-automated radar sites
        • note: C4I bunker
        • note: also base for Helicopter Wing 64 (below)

      • to be dissolved: 1st, 2nd and 4th Air Division, Air Force Support Groups Aurich and Birkenfeld, Air Force Weapon Systems Command and its staff company, Air Force Training Command, IT Sectors 2 and 4, German Air Force Command USA/Canada (El Paso, USA), Tactical Command Section 1 (Meßstetten)

    • Airborne Combat Forces
      • Tactical Air Force Wing 33 (Büchel)
        • 03/2013: Tactical Air Force Wing 33 : to be reorganized from Strike Wing 33, renamed 09/2013
        • 09/2013: 1st Security Squadron TAFW33 : newly raised, established from Security Squadron S
        • 09/2013: 2nd Security Squadron TAFW33 : newly raised, established from Security Squadron S
        • 09/2013: Supply and Transport Squadron TAFW33 : newly raised, merging Supply Squadron and Motor Pool Squadron
        • Roles: Nuclear Strike, Precision Strike, Strategic Strike
        • Equipment: 44 Tornado IDS

      • Tactical Air Force Wing 51 (Jagel)
        • 03/2013: Tactical Air Force Wing 51 : to be reorganized from Reconnaissance Wing 51, renamed 09/2013
        • unknown date: 3rd Flying Squadron TAFW51 : newly raised (Operations for UAV MALE); absorbing AFG detachment equipped currently with 3 Heron 1 (SAATEG AA from 2014)
        • Roles: Precision Strike, SEAD, IMINT, SIGINT, Tactical Penetrating Reconnaissance, Naval Strike
        • Equipment: 20 Tornado ECR, 5 Tornado IDS, 16 UAV MALE (SAATEG GA/ZA), 5 Eurohawk, 4 Global Hawk

      • Tactical Air Force Wing 74 (Neuburg)
        • 03/2013: Air Operations Company LEC (Untermeitingen) : newly raised, reserve base, established from Strike Wing 32 dissolved at this point
        • 09/2013: Tactical Air Force Wing 74 : to be reorganized from Fighter Wing 74
        • Multirole, QRA South Germany
        • Equipment: 32 Eurofighter

      • Tactical Air Force Wing 31 "Boelcke" (Nörvenich)
        • 09/2013: Tactical Air Force Wing 31 "Boelcke" : to be reorganized from Fighter Wing 31 "Boelcke"
        • 09/2013: Tactical Air Force Group "Richthofen" (Wittmund) : newly raised, absorbing Fighter Wing 71 "Richthofen"
        • Multirole, QRA North Germany at Wittmund, temporary QRA capability at Nörvenich
        • Equipment: 51 Eurofighter (31 Nörvenich, 20 Wittmund)

      • Tactical Air Force Wing 73 "Steinhoff" (Laage)
        • 09/2013: Tactical Air Force Wing 73 "Steinhoff" : to be reorganized from Fighter Wing 73 "Steinhoff"
        • Multirole, temporary QRA capability
        • Equipment: 32 Eurofighter

      • Training Centers
        • 03/2012: Detachment Airborne Electronic Combat Training Center (Oberambach) : newly raised
        • 03/2012-12/2013: Airborne Electronic Combat Training Center (Kleinaitingen) : to be reorganized, moved from Trier
        • 12/2012-09/2013: Flight Training Center (Alamogordo USA) : to be reorganized, absorbing Training Squadron at Holloman, USA
        • 09/2013: Tactical Training Center (Decimomannu, IT) : coming under command, no changes
        • Role: Flight Training under FTC at Sheppard AFB, Pensacola NAS, Goodyear; Eurofighter training at FTC from 2017+ on
        • Equipment: 14 Tornado IDS, 20 Eurofighter (all at FTC)
        • Note: FTC is laid out operationally as a full combat wing stationed in USA


    • Air Transport Forces
      • Air Transport Wing 62 (Wunstorf)
        • 06/2014: Air Transport Wing 62 : to be reorganized
        • 06/2014: 2nd Flying Squadron ATW62 : newly raised
        • 06/2014: 1st Technical Squadron : newly raised merging maintenance and service squadrons
        • 06/2014: 2nd Technical Squadron : newly raised merging maintenance and service squadrons
        • Equipment: 40 A400M beginning from 12/2014

      • VIP Attendance Wing
        • Cologne
          • 03/2012: VIP Attendance Wing : to be reorganized
          • 12/2016: VIP Attendance Wing : to be reorganized (again)
          • 03/2012: 1st Technical Squadron : newly raised merging maintenance and service squadrons
          • Equipment: 4 A310 MRTT, 1 A310

        • Schönefeld
          • 03/2012: 2nd Air Transport Squadron VAW : to be moved here from Cologne
          • 03/2012: 3rd Air Transport Squadron VAW : to be moved here from Berlin
          • 03/2012: 2nd Technical Squadron : newly raised merging maintenance and service squadrons
          • Note: Planning only. Schönefeld Airport, the new airport for Berlin, is not finished, and won't be for another two years. Technical Squadron temporarily raised in Cologne.
          • Equipment: 2 A340, 2 A319CJ, 4 Bombardier Global 5000, 3 AS532 Cougar


      • Helicopter Wing 64 (Laupheim)
        • newly raised, switcharound with old HW64 moving to Army and Army Medium Transport Helicopter Regiment 25 (Laupheim) and 15 (Rheine) used to raise new unit
        • Laupheim:
          • 12/2012: 1st Flying Squadron HW64: newly raised
          • 12/2012: 2nd Flying Squadron HW64: newly raised
          • Detached Operations with 9 CH-53G until 12/2013 from Rheine Air Field
          • Role: Primary Base
          • Equipment: 50 CH-53G

        • Schönewalde:
          • 12/2012: 3rd Flying Squadron HW64: newly raised
          • Full Operations until operational capability from Bückeburg Air Field
          • Role: Flight Training
          • Equipment: 14 CH-53G


      • to be dissolved after 2017 with full introduction of A400M: Air Transport Wings 61 and 63 (temporarily flying up to 60 C-160D)

    • Air Defense Forces
      • 03/2011: Air Defense Missile Group 61 (Husum) : newly raised, to move to Panker 03/2013; third firing squadron to be raised 09/2012
      • 03/2013: Air Defense Missile Group 26 (Husum) : to be reorganized, staff and support squadrons merged
      • 03/2013: Air Defense Missile Group 21 (Sanitz/Cammin) : to be reorganized, staff and support squadrons merged; two firing squadrons at either base, command and staff/support squadron at Sanitz
      • 03/2013: Air Defense Missile Group 24 (Bad Sülze) : to be reorganized, staff and support squadrons merged
      • 03/2013: Air Defense Missile Wing 1 "Schleswig-Holstein" (Husum) : to be reorganized
      • 03/2013: Air Defense Missile Training Center (Husum) : newly raised, absorbing Tactical Training Center for Air Defense Missiles (El Paso, USA) when infrastructure at Husum is ready (ca 2017); detached element at US Army Fires Center of Excellence (Fort Sill, USA)
      • to be dissolved: Air Defense Missile Wings 2 and 5, Air Defense Missile Groups 22, 23 and 25
      • Equipment: 12 batteries Patriot Config-3 (PAC-3), 4 batteries MANTIS (one for training)

    • Logistics
      • 12/2012: Weapon System Support Center 1 (Manching) : newly raised, established from Air Force Maintenance Regiment 1 (Erding) and Weapon System Support Center (Landsberg)
      • 12/2012: Weapon System Support Center 2 (Schönewalde) : newly raised, established from Air Force Maintenance Regiment 2 (Diepholz)
      • 12/2013: Technical Training Center South Germany (Untermeitingen) : newly raised, command unit for five existing training squadrons of Air Force Technical School 1 (Kaufbeuren) to be moved to Untermeitingen and Erndtebrück 06/2017
      • 12/2013: Technical Training Center North Germany (Faßberg) : newly raised, established from Air Force Technical School 3 (Faßberg), reduced to three training squadrons plus subordinate Air Force Vocational School with two training squadrons
      • 03/2014: Maintenance Center 13 (Landsberg) : newly raised, established from Avionics System Center (Landsberg)
      • 03/2014: Maintenance Center 11 (Manching) : newly raised, established from Aircraft Technology System Center (Erding), integrating three civil maintenance cooperation groups (Tornado maintenance)
      • 03/2014: Maintenance Center 12 (Ummendorf) : newly raised, established from Aircraft Technology System Center Detachment Ummendorf, integrating one civil maintenance cooperation group (Rescue equipment maintenance)
      • 03/2014: System Center 14 (Manching) : newly raised, established from Combat Aircraft System Support Center (Manching), integrating two civil maintenance cooperation groups (Tornado and Eurofighter maintenance) and two newly raised Programming Support Troops established from Combat Aircraft Type Overview Troop (Manching)
      • 03/2014: System Center 21 (Schönewalde) : newly raised, established from Air Force Maintenance Group 25 (Diepholz)
      • 03/2014: System Center 22 (Donauwörth) : newly raised, established from NH90/Tiger System Support Center (Ottobrunn), integrating one civil maintenance cooperation group (Helicopter maintenance) and one newly raised Programming Support Troop established from NH90 Type Overview Troop (Manching)
      • 03/2014: System Center 23 (Wunstorf) : newly raised, established from Air Defense Missile System Center (Wunstorf), integrating one newly raised Programming Support Troop established from Air Defense Missile Project Support Troop (Mechernich)
      • 03/2014: System Center 24 (Laage) : newly raised, established from Air Force Maintenance Group 22 (Trollenhagen), integrating one newly raised Programming Support Troop for Air Traffic Control Systems
      • 03/2015: System Center 25 (Erndtebrück) : to be reorganized, renamed from Air Force Command Systems System Support Center
      • planned: System Center 26 with one Programming Support Troop, for A400M, details not hammered out yet
      • to be dissolved: Air Base Operations Squadrons at Erding, Jever and Diepholz, Flight Support Groups at Rheine (see also HW64), Air Force Maintenance Group 21

    • Training and general units
      • 09/2012: Air Force Training Battalion (Germersheim) : to be reorganized from 3rd Btl Air Force Training Regiment; reduced to 7 training squadrons
      • 03/2013: Air Force NCO School (Appen) : to be reorganized; reduced to 12 training squadrons in two battalions
      • 06/2013: Air Force Officer School (Erndtebrück) : to be reorganized and moved to Roth, replacing Air Force Training Regiment there; reduced to eight training squadrons in two battalions
      • unknown date: Center for Aerospace Medicine (Cologne) : newly raised, merging Air Force General Doctor (Siegburg) and Flight Medical Institute (Fürstenfeldbruck)
      • remaining as-is: Air Traffic Control Agency with Air Traffic Control Sectors Erding, Langen, Karlsruhe, Bremen, Maastricht
      • to be dissolved: remainder of Air Force Training Regiment, Air Force Music Bands 1, 2 and 4
      • Equipment: 5 Eurofighter and 2 Tornado IDS for ground training

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    By now the stationing concept is out too. You can download it [here] (in German).
    The Stationing Concept has been released in English [here] - as a full translation of all 140 pages of the German version, not just a short summary as usual.

    Seriously, wish other countries would issue public documents like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    The Stationing Concept has been released in English [here] - as a full translation of all 140 pages of the German version, not just a short summary as usual.

    Seriously, wish other countries would issue public documents like that.
    We do, but it is restricted as FOUO...and some aspects are NOFORN.
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    Well, the interesting stuff is of course missing from the above file too as it's classified. What all those "other agencies" do for example. Which of the bases are on which ring of the recently laid 6000 km of communications fibre, and which functions they have in those. How many men the individual units at a station have - the numbers for each station are rounded too btw. In which way the material depots and storage sites are specialized. That "Tactical Air Command and Control Group, Elements" refers to the now semi-automatized CRCs. What exactly each of those Electronic Warfare Battalion does (that's damn hard to find out anyway), because it sure as hell ain't only Electronic Warfare in the traditional sense (they do that too).

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    The Army has published a 136-page booklet on its transformation (here, in German).

    Nothing really new in there, except for some rather nice pictures - some of which aren't all that widely spread. For example page 24 illustrates Operation Pegasus with German soldiers in Nafurah, Libya in 2011. The booklet outlines operations like this as one of the six future core operation types for the Bundeswehr.

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    Note: Below is UNCLASS information from public domain Bundeswehr official website, so not necessarily all that... reliable.

    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Strategic Reconnaissance Command
    (division-level)
    • Battalions: 4 Electronic Warfare Btl
    • Strategic Recce Interpretation Center
    • Central Technical Office for Strategic Reconnaissance
    • Strategic Reconnaissance School
    By nature not that many details available.
    • EW Btl 911: mobile SIGINT and CIED EW operations / fixed-site strategic SIGINT
    • EW Btl 912: 3D mobile strategic SIGINT/ELINT (land/sea/air) - EW specialists for ELINT ships and airborne assets.
    • EW Btl 931: mobile SIGINT and CIED EW operations / digital strategic reconnaissance
    • EW Btl 932: mobile jamming and deception operations / cellular network SIGINT / special forces EW support
    • Recce Interpretation Center: colocated with EW Btl 931, coordinates strategic reconnaissance tasks for other battalions and assembles the whole picture
    • satellite-based recon is a division of the strat recon command unit itself, about company-sized.


    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Logistics Command
    (division-level)
    • Battalions: 6 Logistics Btl, 1 Special Engineer Btl
    • Logistics School
    • Bundeswehr Logistics Center
    The six logistics battalions and the special engineer battalion effectively serve as collecting units for logistics taskforces. These logistics taskforces are essentially based around establishing three deployable logistics bases (with rotation factor 3...), which at identical spread would look roughly like this:
    • Field Camps for 900 men each (four camps)
    • Field Fuel Supply Tank Farms (two farms)
    • Forward Base Supply Point (three companies)
    • Forward Base Maintenance Point (two companies)
    • Forward Logistics Transport (one company) - specialized armored transport. Civilian contractors tacked on as-needed.
    • Forward Land/Sea Logistics Hub (two hubs)
    • Forward Land/Air Logistics Hub (two hubs)

    These deployable logistics bases as above would each have roughly 2200 soldiers, and can be split down further to serve more theaters. The layout is based on the Afghanistan mission (with some modifications), with one such deployed logistics base previously deployed there. The logistics hubs can be located separately (e.g. for Afghanistan a land/air logistics hub is in Uzbekistan, a second land/air/sea logistics hub in Turkey).

    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Command Support Forces
    (division-level)
    • Battalions: 6 Command Support Btl, 1 NATO Command Support Btl
    • Command Support School
    • IT Systems Operations Center
    Identical structuring for the (reduced) four command support btl:
    - 2nd company IT/fixed systems (including Bw national comms fiber network node)
    - 3rd company mobile command post communications systems
    - 4th company long-range communications and SATCOM
    - 5th company mobile communications (TETRAPOL etc)

    NATO command support btl, german components:
    - 2nd company (DCM) integrated forward communications support
    - 3rd company (DCM) integrated forward communications support
    - 4th company (DCM) integrated forward communications support
    - airmobile communications platoon for military evacuation operations

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Planned ToE for the Army:
    • Tanks: 225 Leopard 2 (plus reserve for cadred battalions)
    First major item being revised:

    The Bundeswehr is activating the two cadred battalions, and buying 103 used Leopard 2A4 from the industry for that - note that they're not touching the reserve stock for this, which is currently about 490 Leopard 2A4 (probably going down to about 360 through past-signed-not-yet-delivered sales; future sales of depot A4 have been declared not suitable to the current geopolitical situation, i.e. a "you don't get our tanks for virtually free like you used to, countries to our East").

    The 103 A4 reactivated will be upgraded to A7 or similar standard "beginning in 2017". The buy-back cost for the vehicles as-is is about €220,000 per tank, which keeps the cost below the threshold of 25 million at which the parliament would have to approve it; it's also in similar regions to what the industry has been selling these eastwards (and southeastwards) for. The later upgrade will be a bit more pricey, and is conveniently pushed towards the next election (in Fall 2017).

    The new number of active tanks is 328, split into 6 battalions of 44 (264), about four companies for the training centers (56) and a small number for upgrade testing for the procurement office (8).

    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    • Medium Armored: 272 Boxer (being introduced), ca 565 Fuchs (retained)
    The number of planned Boxers was raised to 403 last November, although with a target horizon of 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Planned ToE for the Army:
    • Tanks: 225 Leopard 2 (plus reserve for cadred battalions)
    • Heavy Armored: 350 Puma (introduction starting 2013)
    • Medium Armored: 272 Boxer (being introduced), ca 565 Fuchs (retained)
    • Light Armored: 212 Fennek
    • Artillery: 81 PzH 2000 (plus reserve), 38 MARS
    • Helicopters: 80 NH90, 40 Tiger
    New planned ToE for the Army:
    • Tanks: 320 Leopard 2
    • Heavy Armored: 342 Puma + 198 "other IFV" ("may use Marder")
    • Medium Armored: 403 Boxer (being introduced), ca 315 Fuchs (retained)
    • Light Armored: 248 Fennek (154 recce; 70 JFST; 24 engineer recce)
    • Artillery: 101 PzH 2000, 38 MARS
    • Helicopters: 102 NH90, 40 Tiger


    Boxer and Fuchs are treated as a single ("wheeled APC") item throughout the Bundeswehr, total number of 1300 planned. This reflects the last cap of 1170 combined (272 Boxer + ca 565 Fuchs in Army + ca 333 Fuchs otherwise) with the planned extra 131 Boxer accounted for. Apparently one Fuchs dropped in lieu of all incoming Boxers.

    Artillery gains extra PzH 2000 (from depot stocks) but loses the WaBEP loitering attack drone program that was cancelled in 2012 already. Original cap as designed in 2011 planned for 2 WaBEP firing units.

    NH90 number for army stays at 80; the 22 extra are for a multinational CSAR unit planned out last year. Will be stationed in Germany.

    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Planned ToE for the Air Force:
    • Combat*: 140 Eurofighter (Tranche 3 cut), 85 Tornado (with ASSTA 3 upgrade)
    • Transport: 64 CH-53 (6 GE, 20 GS, 38 GA), 60 C-160D (to be replaced by 40 A400M), 4 A310-304-MRTT (multirole)
    • Passenger: 2 A340-313X VIP, 1 A310-304 PAX, 2 A319-133X CJ, 4 Bombardier Global 5000, 3 AS-532
    • UAV: 16 future SAATEG MALE UAV, 5 Eurohawk HALE UAV (introduction 2012), 4 Global Hawk HALE UAV (detached to NATO AGS)
    • Air Defense: 14 Patriot batteries (50% reduction), 4 Mantis C-RAM batteries (introduction 2012)
    • Zero-funded: 19 CSAR helo modules
    New planned ToE for the Air Force:
    • Combat: 138 Eurofighter, 85 Tornado
    • Transport: 64 CH-53, 59 STH, 40 A400M, 4 A310-304-MRTT
    • Passenger: 2 A340-313X VIP, 1 A310-304 PAX, 2 A319-133X CJ, 4 Bombardier Global 5000, 3 AS-532
    • UAV: 16 SAATEG MALE UAV, 5 SLWÜA HALE UAV, 4 Global Hawk HALE UAV
    • Air Defense: 14 TLVS batteries, 2 Mantis C-RAM


    STH ("heavy transport helo") will replace CH-53 beginning in 2025. Not planned out yet or design chosen as far as i know. STH will have integral CSAR capability.

    SLWÜA is basically "whatever will carry the Eurohawk sensor package" - not necessarily unmanned. SAATEG intermediate solution is Heron TP (not to full amount).

    TLVS is Germany's MEADS followon; MEADS radar with PAC3 and IRIS-T SLM missiles. Mantis is cut to the numbers procured so far (no real need for anti-rocket defense for field camps now that we've bugged out of AFG) and will be supplemented by a nebulous "close defense initiative".

    Planned ToE revisal for the Navy:
    • Adding 6 extra NH90 (one each for MKS180)
    • Dropping JSS from list


    Extra NH90 for MKS180 (one each); JSS capability realized through future joint procurement with Poland and possible intermediate solution with Netherlands.

    MKS180 has since been fleshed out as what other countries would call a destroyer. 7000+ tons, AAW and ASW integrated.

    Planned additional ToE for the Joint Support Force (not on the list, but here for completeness sake):
    • 5 SAR-Lupe satellites will get replaced by 3 SARah satellites
    • 2 communications satellites orbited since then


    SARah contract was signed in 2013, will launch in 2018/19.

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    I wish you luck on any joint procurement projects with this partly insane new Polish Government.

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    Yeah I know it's pretty ... uh, far-fetched. That's why we're going west as regards amphibious capability right now. Next agreement in that regard will probably be announced in about a week.

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