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    Terror attack in Tel Aviv leaves eight wounded

    Published 03:01 29.08.11Latest update 04:52 29.08.11

    Palestinian man from West Bank city of Nablus runs over Israel Border Police with stolen taxi and stabs others outside nightclub hosting major event with more than 2,000 attendees.

    By Yaniv Kubovich and Reuters

    Eight people were wounded in south Tel Aviv early Monday when a Palestinian man from the West Bank city of Nablus ran over policemen with a stolen taxi, exited the vehicle and stabbed additional people. The perpetrator was also lightly wounded as police struggled to arrest him.

    Tel Aviv District Commander Aharon Eksol said the attack was "definitely an act of terror".

    The attack took place shortly after 1:30 A.M. outside the Haoman 17 club on the corner of Salame and Abarbanel streets in south Tel Aviv. At the time of the attack more than 2,000 people were partying at a major event inside the nightclub. Israel Border Police had been deployed on high alert to secure the event.

    One of the wounded people is in critical condition, two are moderately wounded and the rest are lightly wounded. The wounded were taken to Tel Aviv's Ichilov Hospital and Wolfson Medical Center, Holon.

    Police arrested the perpetrator at the scene and are currently conducting investigations.

    The suspect had entered the taxi in Yaffo and requested of the driver to take him to the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. Upon arrival, he lightly wounded the taxi driver by stabbing him in the hand and forced him out of the vehicle. He then drove to Salame Street near the Haoman 17 club, where he carried out the attack.

    The suspect drove into a barrier that was set up by police in the streets surrounding the nightclub as part of routine security. Israel Border Police, who were securing the nightclub's event, went to assist the suspect – who they thought was a drunk driver – and were surprised when he drew a knife and stabbed a number of them.

    Police spokeswoman Luba Samri said the suspect, aged in his 20's, shouted "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest), as he struggled with police. The perpetrator was slightly injured by police as they attempted to arrest him, and was taken to Wolfson Medical Center, Holon.

    Police Commissioner Yohanan Danino said investigations – currently underway – are revealing that the attack was premeditated.

    "The terrorist is currently being interrogated and we are discovering that he planned the act in advance," said Danino.

    Danino added, "Tonight's event gives us additional proof that that terrorists are still motivated to carry out attacks. There was a big event being celebrated tonight with many partygoers. The Israel Border Police deployment was exceptional and prevented a great tragedy. The terrorist attack ended with a relatively light outcome."

    Danino also said "the police will continue to be on high alert."

    Benny Shai, one of the club's employees who was outside the club at the time of the attack said, "We saw the taxi run into the barrier and we ran to help. We thought it was an accident." He added that the event taking place in the nightclub "was a big party".

    "I don't want to know what would have happened if the terrorist had managed to enter or even get close to the entrance of the club and carry out his attack there", said Shai.

    Israel last sustained a terror attack earlier this month when nine people were killed in a series of coordinated gun and missile strikes in the south.

    Meanwhile, IDF Commander in Chief Benny Gantz ordered reinforcements south of Gaza Strip, as well as on the border with Egypt as a response to warnings of an upcoming terrorist attack by the Islamic Jihad. The reinforcements were coordinated with the Egyptian military.

    Despite the fact that Israel's security services predict that the attack will be perpetrated by the Islamic Jihad, the IDF will hold Hamas responsible for any terror attack.
    I'm sorry, this is not randomly firing rockets into civilian territories, this is not even shooting at civilians and then soldiers when they show up, this is cold-heartedly, cold-bloodily attacking completely innocent party goers up close and personal with a knife. This vermin needs to die, it's only due to his sheer incompetence and the quick reactions of the soldiers there that no one died.
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    Hope the wounded will recover soon.

    Why don't you grant them state and seal the borders? I don't see this happening from your int'l borders. Or I am wrong?
    No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

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    • #3
      The attacks last week were from across the border with Egypt...

      From a different point of view, this just gives the impression that enough terror will lead to Israel's capitulation and encourages them to perform more acts of terror.
      Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

      Abusing Yellow is meant to be a labor of love, not something you sell to the highest bidder.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bigross86 View Post
        The attacks last week were from across the border with Egypt...

        From a different point of view, this just gives the impression that enough terror will lead to Israel's capitulation and encourages them to perform more acts of terror.
        Very true.

        IMV, whatever decision this September or in 2099 should be a result of negotiations.
        No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

        To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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        • #5
          Just give them a state. So we can invade them later.
          "Football is war."

          -Rinus Michels

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Nightowl View Post
            Just give them a state. So we can invade them later.
            ^^^ROFL, Sounds like a plan :)
            No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

            To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nightowl View Post
              Just give them a state. So we can invade them later.
              If they have a state they can enter into treaties, Military pacts and purchase fighter, tanks etc.

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              • #8
                Give them a state- then their own "home-grown" terrorists can attack them in their own country ... There will be plenty of dissenters among them who aren't satisfied with the arrangements - they can stab each other and assassinate their leaders until the matter is resolved... Continued involvement in policing them doesn't seem to work - how long has it been tried? How far away is a resolution with the current approach?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by airforceexpert View Post
                  If they have a state they can enter into treaties, Military pacts and purchase fighter, tanks etc.
                  .

                  For buying heavy military equipment they need money & political support, which they do not have much. If these would have been so easy, Lebanese armed force could have shot down many IAF jets in 2006 war.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bigross86 View Post
                    I'm sorry, this is not randomly firing rockets into civilian territories, this is not even shooting at civilians and then soldiers when they show up, this is cold-heartedly, cold-bloodily attacking completely innocent party goers up close and personal with a knife. This vermin needs to die, it's only due to his sheer incompetence and the quick reactions of the soldiers there that no one died.
                    The bolded bit is what is unusual here. Didn't even kill himself.

                    What ? 72 virgins not good enough for this guy. This is just slacking off.

                    Does not seem premeditiated, just a spur of the moment kind of thing. The guy flipped.

                    And i think thats good news. They seem to be losing the will to really go at it like in the past.

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                    • #11
                      Regardless of size and/or magnitude, No concession from Israel toward Palestinians will ever be enough. In their mind Israel does not and should not exist.

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                      • #12
                        I read this article today, and I kind of find it interesting because, quite simply, never though of such eventuallity.

                        I would value some insight on it from our Israeli members.

                        September may bring the death of the two-state solution - and the Jewish state

                        What happens when the Palestinians realize come September that UN recognition doesn't change their lives, that the settlements continue to expand, and the occupation continues?

                        The diplomatic tsunami of September is building up. So far, neither the U.S. nor the EU has been able to dissuade the Palestinian Authority from its bid for UN recognition.

                        It seems that the Palestinians no longer have a way out. Given that they do not see the Netanyahu government as a bona fide partner on the route toward a viable state, they are bereft of an alternative strategy.

                        The Netanyahu government has known but one tactic vis-à-vis the Palestinian bid for UN recognition: working against it.

                        It is bracing for the head-on collision with the UN recognition of Palestine, and hopes to score a ‘moral victory’ if major EU countries like Germany, France and the U.K. either abstain or vote against this recognition.

                        Basically Netanyahu will argue that the Palestinians ‘only’ got their ‘automatic majority’, and that the major Western countries didn’t go along with it.

                        But the real question is what will happen after the UN showdown. Israel's political and military echelon is trying to prepare for the eventuality of massive protests in the West Bank after approximately one hundred and forty countries recognize Palestine. The prospect of a new spiral of violence is frightening indeed.

                        While this is the most immediately pressing issue, the Netanyahu coalition has consistently been avoiding a much larger question. Israel’s concern has been what might happen should the Palestinian bid for statehood succeed in making a real difference.

                        There is but one scenario that is more problematic: What will happen if this bid indeed changes nothing on the ground, as most Palestinians indeed believe? What will happen when the Palestinians realize that UN recognition doesn’t change their lives, that the settlements continue to expand, and the occupation continues?

                        Netanyahu probably hopes that he can hang on to the status quo. Judging from his writings in the 1980s and 1990s, he has always claimed that a Palestinian state with territorial contiguity west of the Jordan is an unacceptable security risk for Israel. His clash with Obama earlier this year about the 1967 borders as a basis for negotiations indicate that he has never changed his mind in this respect.

                        The problem is that soon there may no longer be a status quo to hang on to. As Akiva Eldar has pointed out, Mahmoud Abbas, now 76- years-old, may well be the last Palestinian leader to strive for the two-state solution.

                        If the UN bid does not yield any tangible results, the Palestinian leadership may seriously consider dissolving the Palestinian Authority, and the West Bank, once again, will be Israel’s responsibility. The implications are enormous both economically and politically.

                        In that event, the Palestinians are then likely to turn to the UN with a new request: They will claim that after 44 years of occupation, they are de facto residents under Israeli sovereignty, and should therefore receive Israeli citizenship.

                        This scenario is likely to be the de facto burial of the two-state solution: What would the current Israeli coalition do under such circumstances?

                        Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin has taken a very clear stance, and called for the one-state solution for some time. Because he is a staunch believer in the principles of liberal democracy, Rivlin has called on Israel to grant full citizenship to the Palestinians in the West Bank. In this he is joined by former Likud Defense Minister Moshe Arens.

                        It seems that most of Netanyahu’s coalition - and actually, most members of Knesset – do not share the vision expounded by Rivlin and Aren of integrating the Palestinians in the West Bank as full citizens, because it is difficult to see just how Israel could then avoid turning into bi-national state de facto.

                        This is the background for the wave of nationalist legislation in the Knesset. Israel’s lawmakers have been implicitly grappling with this possibility over the last two years, and have been trying to fend it off with law proposals that would guarantee Israel’s Jewish character.

                        Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman gave the opening salvo with his proposed loyalty oath to Israel as a Jewish and democratic state. In general, his view has been that Israel’s Arab citizens constitute a security risk, so he is unlikely to be thrilled to add more than two million Palestinians to Israel’s citizenry.

                        Kadima's Avi Dichter’s proposal for a basic law that defines Israel as the homeland of the Jews with Hebrew as the only official language is another attempt to fend off the possibility of Israel’s becoming bi-national.

                        But all these proposed laws do not provide an answer to the simple question how a state with close to 40 percent Palestinian citizenry could maintain a Jewish character by democratic means.

                        Thus Netanyahu may go into history not only as them man who killed the two-state solution, but also the dream of Israel as the democratic homeland of the Jewish people that he claims to defend.


                        taken from here: Strenger than Fiction-Israel News - Haaretz Israeli News source.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bigross86 View Post
                          The attacks last week were from across the border with Egypt...

                          From a different point of view, this just gives the impression that enough terror will lead to Israel's capitulation and encourages them to perform more acts of terror.
                          The occupation of the West Bank is simply ....wrong, regardless of what the Palestinians do or don't. Provided its basic security concerns are met Israel can simply withdraw and not directly occupy more than 50% of it as it does now.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Aryajet View Post
                            Regardless of size and/or magnitude, No concession from Israel toward Palestinians will ever be enough. In their mind Israel does not and should not exist.
                            This is the truth that the whole world knows and still corner Israel still. I have no idea what this world has become.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by InExile View Post
                              The occupation of the West Bank is simply ....wrong, regardless of what the Palestinians do or don't. Provided its basic security concerns are met Israel can simply withdraw and not directly occupy more than 50% of it as it does now.
                              If Israel withdraws from 100% of the territories she has there won't be security issues. I hear ya!
                              No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                              To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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