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  • #91
    Originally posted by Versus View Post
    Yugoslavian border with Albania, Operation Arrow.
    Albanian Army shelling Yougoslav forces - YouTube
    That's video from Albanian response after Yugoslav Army allegedly entered Albanian territory.
    No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

    To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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    • #92
      Projection

      Since Serbia lost its first territory that gained during its expansion it is logical to assume that this process will continue with the rest of the territory. So Vojvodina and Sanjak are next and than Southern Serbia which will be divided among Bulgarians and Albanians. It will end at the borders of Serbia at the time of Berlin congress in 1878.


      Conflict outlook:
      Due to ethnic tensions between Serbs and Albanians, the conflict in southern Serbia will likely escalate and lead to new intervention of NATO forces, since the consensus is made that Serbs are the bad guys. So we will have the repetition of Kosovo again. The Sanjak region is a nightmare for any type of warfare since it is small Afghanistan and some pretty nasty characters are residing there. The Vojvodina region will most likely be under Croatian and Hungarian sphere of influence once it gains independence. At the border with Bulgaria those will also follow the steps as others did, demanding independence so they are gone too. For the further expansion of Albanians more cunning plan is needed and it will be performed with this Balkan union which is currently negotiated.

      Military/defense outlook:

      Since the general stance of the Americans is that Serbia should not be allowed to develop armed forces that will significantly offer the capability for expansion, Serbian military is undergoing the process of modernization. Meaning that it develops, complex and expensive weapon systems that are intended for export and limited domestic usage. The structure of our armed forces is changed so that it can be put in use for deployment in other countries under UN/NATO missions. At its current stage it cannot react to Albanian creeping invasion that is currently underway. So the US efforts to control Serbian capability to project force, denies the Serbian defense capability and leaves it open to Albanian invasion. Speaking in pure militaristic terms, Serbia on the strategic Balkan levels is surrounded with enemies. Two possible allies are Romania and Macedonia, but they are both in the NATO or have the NATO aspiration. The Turkey as the regional boss will create another obstacle. Due to historical and recent sentiments, tensions between Serbia and Kosvo/Albania and Bosnian Federation are likely to rise. Since Serbia can't react due to US restrains this will reflect itself on the inner tensions which will lead to the rise of nationalism that will than create the domino effect and serve as a self fulfilling prophecy.

      Economy outlook:

      Croatian influence will rise dramatically out of this situation which will reflect itself both on Serbian entity in Bosnia and in Serbia, especially after the Vojvodina declares its independence. Unable to react to these threats Serbia will most likely experience anarchy and severe disorder which will lead to oppression and possible military cue and rule. This will deteriorate the standard of living which will lead to population decline and the possibility of epidemic breaking lose. Due to tycoonisation much of the Serbian economy is now services and trade, without manufacture. This makes the Serbian economy highly vulnerable to economic pressures, since as it looses its main source of food, Vojvodina it will be forced to import food which will be one of the strategic resources in the future. Also it is heavily dependent on foreign investment so it will be forced to work in the direction that undermines the initiative to preserve and invest in domestic manufacture. The recycling industry as a part of going green will pollute other strategic resource of the future which is water. Most likely clean water will be exported and polluted water will be left for domestic consumption. This will lead to the rise of hereditary diseases such as birth defects and cancers so the mortality rate will be high.

      Population outlook:

      When combined with high mortality rate and negative birth rate, population will continue to decline at ever increasing paste. Usage of alcohol, tobacco and narcotics will increase death ratio as well as increase of crime and suicides.

      Overall estimate is that Serbia will lose 50% of its population in the next 40-70 years with the trend to be wiped out in the next 120 years.
      Last edited by Versus; 01 Sep 11,, 06:53.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Doktor View Post
        That's video from Albanian response after Yugoslav Army allegedly entered Albanian territory.
        They both were going back and forth all the time. I was at the military hospital with one of the soldiers that was there, so it is his word not mine. But I know for sure that the Albanians attacked first, operational plans were secured than, which allowed better formulation of defense. I was some 20 km back.
        Last edited by Versus; 31 Aug 11,, 17:59.

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        • #94
          Demographic trends change.American influence is an issue now.20-30 years from now new realities will exist.For a start I'm a believer in a S-E Europe defense treaty to balance(or try to) Turkey's growth.Wrt Serbia there's a saying that Romania has two friends:the Black Sea and Serbia.The fact that Tadic was in an official visit at Bucharest when Kosovo declared independence says all it needs saying.
          That said,when considering our national interests I'm not too thrilled about the prospect of an American decline,but I have to recognize a reality.Something has to be put in place and the EU believers are only deluding themselves.
          So cheer up,all is not lost for your cause.Hard times ahead,but if our ancestors managed to ride the storms,so can we.They really had it BAD.
          Those who know don't speak
          He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Mihais View Post
            Demographic trends change.American influence is an issue now.20-30 years from now new realities will exist.For a start I'm a believer in a S-E Europe defense treaty to balance(or try to) Turkey's growth.Wrt Serbia there's a saying that Romania has two friends:the Black Sea and Serbia.The fact that Tadic was in an official visit at Bucharest when Kosovo declared independence says all it needs saying.
            That said,when considering our national interests I'm not too thrilled about the prospect of an American decline,but I have to recognize a reality.Something has to be put in place and the EU believers are only deluding themselves.
            So cheer up,all is not lost for your cause.Hard times ahead,but if our ancestors managed to ride the storms,so can we.They really had it BAD.
            Mihais, the main problem are the bubble heads not the Albanians, Croats, Germans or Americans. And if you calculate the peak oil in all this, things can go only faster and worse. Bubble heads created this mess and are only ones that are responsible. We need complete and coherent reconstruction of our society, from the ground up.

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            • #96
              Amen ,brother.
              Those who know don't speak
              He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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              • #97
                I have some ideas how to do that.:)

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                • #98
                  Yellow house

                  I forgot to add the ultimate proof of total hate between Albanians and Serbs. The yellow house.
                  Yellow house is a synonym for human organ trade. Captured Serbs would be taken to Albania, where they would be disemboweled and their organs would be offered for sale. Practical thinking at its best.

                  http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-ne...n-trafficking/
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo
                  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14706242
                  http://assembly.coe.int/CommitteeDoc...rovamended.pdf
                  Last edited by Versus; 31 Aug 11,, 21:34.

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                  • #99
                    It is funny how things work. There are a lots of conspiracy theories that are circling about how and why this mess accrued. Personally, I think that they are all smoke screens. There is no conspiracy in the fall of Yugoslavia. What exist is the logical pattern. Somehow you could predict every step and there is a logical sequence of events that correlate with each other. I agree with that, there is a structure in the Yugoslavia's collapse. It wasn't chaotic. If it wasn't chaotic than it was directed, managed. Well, yes and no.

                    The man whom created the Yugoslavia was Josip Broz Tito. Among other things, like being the leader of communist party and the lifetime president of Yugoslavia, the SFRY "daddy", loved and adored leader of free people, Josip Broz Tito was something else.

                    He was an mechanical engineer.

                    Yugoslavia was designed as a mechanism and that was the way how it operated.Like a machine. Everyone knows that if you have a system and you create an error in that system, no matter how small, that error multiplies itself as it travels trough the system and becomes the systemic error that destroys the system in a catastrophic failure. The logical breakup was the consequence of logical design, not the conspiracy.
                    Last edited by Versus; 31 Aug 11,, 21:57.

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                    • Yep and that error was called a "buffer zone".

                      And another thing, Yugoslavia operated like a bank, they borrowed cheap from London and Paris and landed expensive to the third world countries.

                      I had another theories when I was younger which included UK and France and how pissed they were on Yugoslavia for helping all these African nations gain independence, but that's all CT ;)
                      No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                      To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                      • And juicy intelligence games:
                        BND Kosovo affair: German spy affair might have been revenge - Nachrichten English-News - WELT ONLINE

                        The "coherent" Serbian stance on Kosovo:
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETgk5...eature=related

                        So yeah...things that people do for living....
                        Last edited by Versus; 01 Sep 11,, 07:56.

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                        • The main problem with Serbian stance with Kosovo is this.
                          It's epic place in Serbian history is pulled out of the context and used as the instrument for creating cohesion. Although it is significant cultural, historical factor, the way how it was handled trough out the history, speaks of something different.
                          During the first war with Ottomans and in the course of Balkan wars, it became the center of gravity for the Serbs. In other words, its question has never been addressed properly. The Serbian handling of Kosovo was always sloppy, inconsistent and incoherent. In the times when it was Ok to do things such as ethnic cleansing, Serbs didn't do it. They tried, but did the poor job, leaving the open wounds that got “infected” so to speak over time and at the end produced gangrene which had only one cure. Amputation. If it had secured Kosovo than, meaning cleansed the Albanians and redeemed its “historical” right, Serbia would be a whole different place now. It would feel content and could move on. The Europe wasn't pleased with it but it allowed it, at the time. It had the time, it was authorized to do it yet it didn't do it. Why?
                          Well, if you calculate that most of the policy creators have their origin in the traders families and that they are detached from reality with their wealth and personal interest, the logical explanation is, that they treat land and therefore the people whom inhabit that land as merchandize. Serbian bubbleheads always treated Serbia as their own supermarket. We have nationalism on sale for 2.99 we have some lands on discount, we will swap, trade, post paid prepaid, we accept credit cards, gold, silver, diamonds....So you see, they never understood what was in stake.
                          In the trader mentality all items (aka territories and people) hold no personal value to you, they are items for sale, they have their value as products you sell and you treat them like that, you consider them your property just as the shop owner considers items that he sells his property,in that mentality the only thing that trader values and holds dear is his shop. And the shop is city and the historical Wallmart of Serbia is Belgrade. It is the ultimate pawn shop that is now turned into the mall.
                          They never really wanted to move to Kosovo they always wanted to stay in Belgrade, it is comfortable it is dandy, it is good for the “business”. It is the duty free shop, since at the time it was on the borders of Austro Hungarian Empire, the Europe. That is why they marched the captured Albanians rebels trough the Belgrade. They were just another item in the store.
                          Albanians might not have the historical right to be there, but their relationship with Kosovo is just and sincere. They never traded with it, they always knew what it is and what it means. It is the relationship that counts, that is what gives something a value.

                          Other than that, it is just a patch of land.

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                          • Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                            Yep and that error was called a "buffer zone".

                            And another thing, Yugoslavia operated like a bank, they borrowed cheap from London and Paris and landed expensive to the third world countries.

                            I had another theories when I was younger which included UK and France and how pissed they were on Yugoslavia for helping all these African nations gain independence, but that's all CT ;)
                            That one is good. Personally my favorite CT is "the Orient express", that one is a blast. You could make a script for a movie and earn billions with that one. It would make the three days of the condor look like sponge bob square pants episode. But condor was good, especially with the original ending.
                            Last edited by Versus; 01 Sep 11,, 16:21.

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                            • France was actually the least inclined to intervention,even if they had their part in the show at Sarajevo.However,Germany was heavily involved when and where it mattered.And that was at the beggining,when Croatia seeked support.
                              Those who know don't speak
                              He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                              • Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                                France was actually the least inclined to intervention,even if they had their part in the show at Sarajevo.However,Germany was heavily involved when and where it mattered.And that was at the beggining,when Croatia seeked support.
                                Yeah, that is the orient express one, the BND love story. But you have to understand that every movie, before it was authorized to be screened in the old federation, had to go trough approval, but not by the PG but it had to be approved by much more serious characters.
                                Last edited by Versus; 01 Sep 11,, 16:49.

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