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  • #31
    The count is now 92 , the cnut they have arrested Angus Brievik? Is reported to have carried out both attacks , I hope the parents of the campers manage to get to him and rip the bastard apart ,not likely to happen but a nice thought IMO

    RIP

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Mihais View Post
      What's even scarier is how some try to give a political stint to sheer lunacy.
      I cant help notice a double standard here. If it were indeed done by an Islamic extremist; I am sure a lot of people would not dismiss it as act of sheer lunacy; or a lone deranged individual and would politicize it for everything that it was worth. Will you say that was wrong too?

      RIP to the victims.

      I agree its not the time to bring politics into it.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by InExile View Post
        I cant help notice a double standard here. If it were indeed done by an Islamic extremist; I am sure a lot of people would not dismiss it as act of sheer lunacy; or a lone deranged individual and would politicize it for everything that it was worth. Will you say that was wrong too?

        RIP to the victims.

        I agree its not the time to bring politics into it.
        I disagree about the double standard.This guy,like the ones in Arizona,Columbine,Virginia Tech and a few places in Germany and Finland that I can't remember now are insane.Mumbai,Beslan,Buddionovsk,Nord-Ost were part of a plan.
        Those who know don't speak
        He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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        • #34
          He has been connected to a christian fundamentalist group
          Last edited by tankie; 23 Jul 11,, 17:16.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Mihais View Post
            What's even scarier is how some try to give a political stint to sheer lunacy.
            This act has a political background. Most people will not agree with his reasoning in committing the act, but it remains a political background by a right-wing person aimed against a government formed by Social Democrats, Socialists and Social Liberals. He did not select his victims based on a single issue, randomly or for personal reaons (the three basic complexes significant in amok runs), but based upon the wider political leanings of his intended targets.

            This was just as much political terrorism as any act committed by N17, RAF or other political terrorist groups.

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            • #36
              Tankie reply

              Ohh,please,for Heaven's sake.The difference is that whoever was he connected with was not connected with him in return.Nobody will pay his family a pension,nobody will worship him as a shahid,or consider him as model for the youngsters.
              Those who know don't speak
              He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                I disagree about the double standard.This guy,like the ones in Arizona,Columbine,Virginia Tech and a few places in Germany and Finland that I can't remember now are insane.Mumbai,Beslan,Buddionovsk,Nord-Ost were part of a plan.
                I think one can argue that in the case of Islamic extremism there are large organized networks that are dedicated to committing acts of terrorism; which I would agree in not the case for right wing extremist or neo Nazi groups. But the extremism and hate propaganda of the far right is quite capable of motivating or brainwashing people to commit horrific acts. In some cases the individual might be a lunatic; but in other cases it is quite clearly a deliberate act of cold blooded murder; like Timothy MacVeigh perhaps.

                In this case we do not know the psychological state or the motivations of the shooter yet; so we should not rush to conclusions.

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                • #38
                  Look,whatever this guy thought,he did it by his own.Let's not equalize the 2 phenomenons,because they are not the same.I did not bothered to study neo-nazism(or whatever they call it today) because there's nothing about it.The numbers are so few that their impact is non-existent.What are you going to repress in the wake of this tragedy?Something that doesn't exist?
                  I agree we should wait a bit,but I don't think there's to be learned,besides the guy being a lunatic(no matter how you turn it, you arrive at this conclusion)
                  Those who know don't speak
                  He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                    The numbers are so few that their impact is non-existent.
                    Tell that to the 137 people who have been killed by neonazis in Germany since 1990.

                    Quite seriously? The press around here is starting to connect this act to the right-wing paramilitary scene that exists in particular in Eastern Europe and Scandinavia. That neonazis in other countries have started glorifying this guy or are excusing his acts doesn't help either. We can expect some more or less subtle crackdowns in that scene - stretching from the paramilitaries to the anti-immigration hate-speechers - later in the year.

                    Some sort of "increased activity" by neonazis was even expected by Norwegian security authorities in their last annual security report anyway, they just didn't expect an attack like that. Right-wing terrorism is nothing new to most Western European countries. The last such act in Scandinavia was last year, when some guy started sniping at immigrants in Malmö.

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                    • #40
                      Norwegian police mentions he was not connected to any such group,or he would have been under surveillance.Unless the investigation comes with new info,there is no reason to further politicize the case.

                      Eco-terrorists had their share,but somehow enviromentalism isn't blamed.So let's leave whatever political debate for the political arena.

                      Unless new info is available,I'll stop here.


                      WRT crackdowns you mention,let's not confuse cause with pretext.Crackdowns on innocents and freedom of speech will do nothing good.
                      Last edited by Mihais; 23 Jul 11,, 18:54.
                      Those who know don't speak
                      He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                      • #41
                        http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/wo...nted=1&_r=1&hp

                        There are some reports that there 2 people involved.

                        Also as per Norwegian law; the maximum sentence is 21 years!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by kato View Post
                          This act has a political background. Most people will not agree with his reasoning in committing the act, but it remains a political background by a right-wing person aimed against a government formed by Social Democrats, Socialists and Social Liberals. He did not select his victims based on a single issue, randomly or for personal reaons (the three basic complexes significant in amok runs), but based upon the wider political leanings of his intended targets.

                          This was just as much political terrorism as any act committed by N17, RAF or other political terrorist groups.
                          You are using this as a club to knock all the right wing groups, yes ?

                          Moderate or not.

                          Why dont we let the pro's do their job so we can see who this perp represents and how significant that % is. My guess is less than 5% if that.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by InExile View Post
                            http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/wo...nted=1&_r=1&hp

                            There are some reports that there 2 people involved.

                            Also as per Norwegian law; the maximum sentence is 21 years!
                            21 years for what?
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                            • #44
                              21 years for each kid killed right? Sentences to be served one after the other right?

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                              • #45
                                Nope.In all.He'll be out in his early 50's,unless someone doesn't whacks him in jail.
                                Those who know don't speak
                                He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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