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Originally posted by YellowFever View PostAlso, couldn't India give the same reasons as well?
1. She doesn't trust Pakistan
2. She doesn't trust the US (not completely, at least)
3. Domestic reasons.Originally posted by Tronic View PostIndia has already signed off on a NFU policy.
Just meant that India could've used the same excuses to not sign off on it if it so choses.
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Originally posted by YellowFever View PostJust meant that India could've used the same excuses to not sign off on it if it so choses.
This way our arsenal is smaller and is still a credible deterrent without instigating our neighbours to justify larger arsenals which would only spark an nuke arms race in the region.
Pakistan of course does not see it that way given the disparity in conventional arms.
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I see the Pakistani use of nukes as the equivalent of falling on their swords - a suicidal act of desperation. Being beaten without using their nukes would be a better thing for Pakistan, IMO.sigpic"If your plan is for one year, plant rice. If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children."
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Originally posted by USSWisconsin View PostI see the Pakistani use of nukes as the quivalent of falling on their swords - a suicidal act of desperation. Being beaten without using their nukes would be a better thing for Pakistan, IMO.
Right if you consider the amount of suffering Pakistanis as a whole would undergo post triggering nukes.
Wrong if you consider that the entire Pakistani Military establishment would stand naked in front of both its political leadership as well as the civilian population itself, the moment they concede the fact that without nukes they don't have any hope in hell to keep an Indian invasion at bay, while continuing to fuel its anti-India proxy war and militancy.
Here I would advice you to go through that particular thread, wherein a PA Brigadier actually advocated nuking India and getting thoroughly nuked and back to stone age, so as to start anew. Intersting indeed, considering that such a view came from a PA Officer, a Brigadier and not from a Jihadi a$$hole.sigpicAnd on the sixth day, God created the Field Artillery...
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostAh but we are serious about getting more bang for the buck.
This way our arsenal is smaller and is still a credible deterrent without instigating our neighbours to justify larger arsenals which would only spark an nuke arms race in the region.
Pakistan of course does not see it that way given the disparity in conventional arms.
In India's case, NFU and a smaller arsenal do not have a direct co-relation. Considering the Good Colonel's assessment that Deterance is NOT Nuclear Warfighting, I would think that you can have a considerably bigger arsenal and can still have a NFU in place. As a result India while subscribing to a NFU has actually maintained a deliberate ambiguity about its arsenal.sigpicAnd on the sixth day, God created the Field Artillery...
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Originally posted by Deltacamelately View PostYou are both right and wrong.
Right if you consider the amount of suffering Pakistanis as a whole would undergo post triggering nukes.
Wrong if you consider that the entire Pakistani Military establishment would stand naked in front of both its political leadership as well as the civilian population itself, the moment they concede the fact that without nukes they don't have any hope in hell to keep an Indian invasion at bay, while continuing to fuel its anti-India proxy war and militancy.
Here I would advice you to go through that particular thread, wherein a PA Brigadier actually advocated nuking India and getting thoroughly nuked and back to stone age, so as to start anew. Interesting indeed, considering that such a view came from a PA Officer, a Brigadier and not from a Jihadi a$$hole.sigpic"If your plan is for one year, plant rice. If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children."
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Thank You OOE.
I have another point to make on the subject of nuclear weapons, nukes are fabulously expensive - both to build and to an admittedly lesser extent to maintain. The cost of these expensive weapons (if spent elsewhere) could go a long way to providing much needed progress in other more useful areas.sigpic"If your plan is for one year, plant rice. If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children."
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post"Who says organization, says oligarchy"
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Originally posted by Wayfarer View PostAn excellent read sir, so is Pakistani policy still technically NFU in all but name? This is nuclear policy in relation to counterbalancing Indian Nuclear policy, not when used in counterbalancing Indian conventional superiority.
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Originally posted by USSWisconsin View PostSir, Thank you for your insights, I wasn't thinking of the PA when I made that statement - except that IMO, an army is formed to protect a nation, and to carry out its goals by force in some cases - in history many armies have been defeated without their nation loosing its identity or ceasing to exist (of course there are exceptions). Can you give me link to the thread you are referring to? This topic (India and Pakistan) is challenging to understand and is a real concern for many of my coworkers, I would like to learn more about it.
The PA is more concerned about losing its identity as the sole guaranter of the Pakistani state than they are about the identity of the Pakistani state itself.sigpicAnd on the sixth day, God created the Field Artillery...
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Originally posted by Deltacamelately View PostHope you got an understanding of the Pakistani perspective.
The PA is more concerned about losing its identity as the sole guaranter of the Pakistani state than they are about the identity of the Pakistani state itself.sigpic"If your plan is for one year, plant rice. If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children."
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we got damn close quite a few times in the Cold War...and a lot of that, I think we got away due to damn-fool luck.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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