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  • #76
    Originally posted by Asim Aquil View Post
    Which we say, doesn't mean anything.
    It means something to China, and that is sufficient.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Cactus View Post
      It means something to China, and that is sufficient.
      It doesn't, it really is a useless piece of paper. Pakistan today just doesn't sign it because India wants us to.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Asim Aquil View Post
        It doesn't, it really is a useless piece of paper. Pakistan today just doesn't sign it because India wants us to.
        Childish then is it not .

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        • #79
          Originally posted by tankie View Post
          Childish then is it not .
          But it makes a lot of sense in that country.

          Doing something just because it will supposedly piss off India is an end in itself. ;)
          There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don’t..

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Cactus View Post
            Right, and that is because India trusts that the Chinese are rational players (at least as far as India is concerned), and wants to avoid a mutually ruinous arms-race while still maintaining strategic autonomy. By extension, I think, the Paks believe the Indians are irrational players, and don't mind a mutually ruinous arms-race.
            And won't be able to keep up.

            However raising the spectre of an irrational India must have domestic benefits. It reinforces the idea that there is nothing but the Pak military to oppose. It changes the dialog and public mindset.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by tankie View Post
              Childish then is it not .
              Originally posted by Vinod2070 View Post
              But it makes a lot of sense in that country.

              Doing something just because it will supposedly piss off India is an end in itself. ;)
              India's concern is not noted down as being pissed off with Pakistan, but as scared of Pakistan. India is considered as a war-mongering country in Pakistan, so its necessary to keep it at bay

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Asim Aquil View Post
                It doesn't, it really is a useless piece of paper. Pakistan today just doesn't sign it because India wants us to.
                Considering the lack of training on deployment by the Pakistani Army, Pakistan might as well have signed.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                  Considering the lack of training on deployment by the Pakistani Army, Pakistan might as well have signed.
                  Haha have we agreed that they have nuclear tipped missiles yet?

                  I think its the right strategy, if India doesn't want to see Mushroom clouds, just don't go to war. If everybody is NFU and NFU is that COMMANDMENT that actually stops nukes to be used first by any side - then why keep nukes at all? I mean what different would happen to someone who does use nukes first that has signed the NFU as compared to someone that has not signed the NFU?

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Asim Aquil View Post
                    Haha have we agreed that they have nuclear tipped missiles yet?
                    No, and by Pakistan's own words, they're not going to nuke tip their rockets.

                    Originally posted by Asim Aquil View Post
                    I think its the right strategy, if India doesn't want to see Mushroom clouds, just don't go to war.
                    The choice may not be theirs and nuclear weapons states have gone to war against each other without mushroom clouds going up.

                    Originally posted by Asim Aquil View Post
                    If everybody is NFU and NFU is that COMMANDMENT that actually stops nukes to be used first by any side - then why keep nukes at all? I mean what different would happen to someone who does use nukes first that has signed the NFU as compared to someone that has not signed the NFU?
                    The strategy behind NFU is deterrence. It is NOT warfighting.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Asim Aquil View Post
                      India's concern is not noted down as being pissed off with Pakistan, but as scared of Pakistan. India is considered as a war-mongering country in Pakistan, so its necessary to keep it at bay
                      You have been deluded since 1947 about supposed Pakistani Muslim superiority. Facts on the ground all over the world show us something different.

                      One thought 1971 knocked some sense, apparently its been a little while since then. ;)

                      India doesn't need to fight a war to overwhelm you. You are doing a fine job without us.
                      There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don’t..

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Vinod2070 View Post
                        You have been deluded since 1947 about supposed Pakistani Muslim superiority. Facts on the ground all over the world show us something different.

                        One thought 1971 knocked some sense, apparently its been a little while since then. ;)

                        India doesn't need to fight a war to overwhelm you. You are doing a fine job without us.
                        Actually you have promised war 3 times now, 1999, 2002, 2008 and backed off on your own accord. So you can understand why this stereotype against the Indians exist in Pakistan. There is no compulsion on your part to accept it, but I'm just explaining why things are as they are.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Asim Aquil View Post
                          I think its the right strategy, if India doesn't want to see Mushroom clouds, just don't go to war.
                          Hahahahahaha.......................Couldn't resist laughing my ass off

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Asim Aquil View Post
                            Actually you have promised war 3 times now, 1999, 2002, 2008 and backed off on your own accord. So you can understand why this stereotype against the Indians exist in Pakistan. There is no compulsion on your part to accept it, but I'm just explaining why things are as they are.
                            That's because we like playing with you, and prefer to watch you die of frustration than being given the gentleman's death of falling on the battlefield. As many of you have in the 4 wars you have fought and lost to us. But that was at a time India still saw the Pakistani as a gentleman, and not the pathetically weak and impotent global caricature of a raving religious zealot frothing at the mouth but unable to kill anyone else than his own women and children on a daily basis that the Pakistani has been reduced to today.

                            India realized what made Pakistan tick. And then further realized that denying them that fix would cause them to look inward to sate their need to fight and kill, rather than build and grow. India realized the truth in the age old adage about the foolishness of mud wrestling with swine. You only get dirty, and the swine love it. Even if you continue to give them the whupping that's coming to them. So why bother?

                            You speak of 1999 to now. How has your country done during that period vis-a-vis mine? Still getting your rocks off at us "backing off"? Speaking of stereotypes of each other held amongst our opposing populations, I really wish you would not go there, cause it will hurt your manly pride to hear such held on our side.

                            Suffice to say, that the concepts of ghairat and gulami post Independence is something that even the poorest most downtrodden Indian is taught from the cradle and carries to his grave. And it hurts us to see those who were once our own, and who achieved Independence on the back of the struggle of our common forefathers, today just 60 years after that event, languishing once more under the yoke of gulami and living off khairat, coming full circle in less than a hundred years.

                            Look at even your so-called educated countrymen on the forums man. First it was US that was your mai-baap. Now that they are kicking your ass, ever so smoothly and seamlessly you want China to take over responsibility of being your mai-baap. Can't you guys ever be your own mai-baap? What's with this overpowering dependency syndrome?

                            We are not ashamed of you, but sorry. And feel thankful for could have been. And that firms our resolve anew even more. Want to feel manly and strong, then build your country as a Pakistani, and stop getting vicarious thrills at your own version of why we still let you live.
                            Last edited by vsdoc; 15 Jun 11,, 07:26.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Asim Aquil View Post
                              Actually you have promised war 3 times now, 1999, 2002, 2008 and backed off on your own accord. So you can understand why this stereotype against the Indians exist in Pakistan. There is no compulsion on your part to accept it, but I'm just explaining why things are as they are.
                              Stereotypes exist on both sides. Your side actually makes policies on them.

                              Regrading the promise of war, Kargil 1999 was a success for India, 2008 we never even mobilized and 2001 despite the delay in deployment, finally Musharraf made a promise to stop terror (obviously it was a farce as we saw later).

                              Anyway, we will have to fight a war if the Pakistani terror continues to kill Indians. Only it will be a time and place of our choosing. And the time will be when the odds are overwhelming.

                              Till then, Pakistan can stew in its own juice, ever waiting for the inevitable.

                              Or it can chose to rid itself of terrorists.
                              There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don’t..

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by vsdoc View Post
                                That's because we like playing with you, and prefer to watch you die of frustration than being given the gentleman's death of falling on the battlefield. As many of you have in the 4 wars you have fought and lost to us. But that was at a time India still saw the Pakistani as a gentleman, and not the pathetically weak and impotent global caricature of a raving religious zealot frothing at the mouth but unable to kill anyone else than his own women and children on a daily basis that the Pakistani has been reduced to today.
                                Perhaps you just took offense at my candidness, but if what you're saying is true (which I seriously doubt it is, given the very sane and tolerant Indians I know) and this is how you really think then your enemies in Pakistan have already done their job. FUBAR comes to mind.

                                India realized what made Pakistan tick. And then further realized that denying them that fix would cause them to look inward to sate their need to fight and kill, rather than build and grow. India realized the truth in the age old adage about the foolishness of mud wrestling with swine. You only get dirty, and the swine love it. Even if you continue to give them the whupping that's coming to them. So why bother?
                                Wishful thinking but most of Pakistan's issues are related to its fundamental lack of justice, not an insidious plot by India.

                                You speak of 1999 to now. How has your country done during that period vis-a-vis mine? Still getting your rocks off at us "backing off"? Speaking of stereotypes of each other held amongst our opposing populations, I really wish you would not go there, cause it will hurt your manly pride to hear such held on our side.
                                The issue in question was what perpetuates the stereotype that a Pakistani nuclear roar is enough India.

                                Suffice to say, that the concepts of foreign ghairat and gulami post Independence is something that even the poorest most downtrodden Indian is taught from the cradle and carries to his grave. And it hurts us to see those who were once our own, and who achieved Independence on the back of the struggle of our common forefathers, today just 60 years after that event, languishing once more under the yoke of gulami and living off ghairat, coming full circle in less than a hundred years.
                                That I'd agree with you, but those are points for powers other than India :).

                                Look at even your so-called educated countrymen on the forums man. First it was US that was your mai-baap. Now that they are kicking your ass, ever so smoothly and seamlessly you want China to take over responsibility of being your mai-baap. Can't you guys ever be your own mai-baap? What's with this overpowering dependency syndrome?
                                You put too much weight into the opinions of forum kiddies. China's and Pakistan's relationship didn't grow leaps and bounds on May 2nd as some bigger idiots out of Pakistan's borders seem to perpetuate. Its a healthy relationship IMO - definitely not fitting the "mai-baap" analogy. Lack of education has nothing to do with the lack of humanity, I don't see India's doctor's acting any better than "raving religious zealots frothing at the mouth" here either..

                                About giving in to the US, it'll be a foolish argument to think that this exists today or has been for a long time with the consent of the Pakistani people. Big things are happening in Pakistan, you can mock all you want, it won't change the reality.

                                We are not ashamed of you, but sorry. And feel thankful for could have been. And that firms our resolve anew even more. Want to feel manly and strong, then build your country as a Pakistani, and stop getting vicarious thrills at your own version of why we still let you live.
                                Finally on topic. No one in Pakistan is convinced that if India could destroy Pakistan, it would voluntarily opt out of taking that decisions.

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