I hope Romney takes a page from the Reagan playbook, and really does push hard for a stronger Navy; that's where we're headed in the 21st century. We DO NOT need to be involving ourselves in any more Mid-East land wars, but freedom of the seas IS critical to the US's future.
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"There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge
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Originally posted by Tanker View PostThe Soviet Union fell in 91 and it was Reagan who established the 600 Ship Navy plan which activated the big 3 battleships.
The 600 Ship Navy conituned to gain steam until the Clinton era when Billy Boy scaled back all Reagan and Bush era military projects. The Seawolf was one of those 600 Ship projects cancelled by Clinton in 1995.
US Ship Force Levels
9/30/87 Warship/total ships 223 Reagan Highest Number as President
9/30/88 Warship /total Ship 217 Last year of Reagan
87 had the fleet at its largest. And the year the Wall comes down.Which was what I meant to use as my reference point instead of fall of Soviet Union.
The draw down has started.
Reagan decreases the fleet by 6 warships.
9/30/89 Warship/total 212 President Bush first year
9/30/92 Warship/total 156 President Bush last year
Bush cuts the fleet by 56 Warships
9/30/93 Warships/total 148 President Clinton First year
9/30/00 Warships/total 128 President Clinton last year
Clinton cuts 20 Warships
9/30/01 Warships/total 127 Bush IIs first year as president
9/30/08 Warship/total 118 Last year.
Jr cut 9 Warships
Seems to me, as I stated earlier Reagan started the draw down and Bush Sr cut the most fighting shipsLast edited by Gun Grape; 13 Jan 12,, 04:59.
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View PostAnd it was Reagan's Sec of the Navy that resigned because he could not get anything but lip service from the White House for building the 600 ship Navy.
No it didn't. We started cutting ships in 1988
US Ship Force Levels
9/30/87 Warship/total ships 223 Reagan Highest Number as President
9/30/88 Warship /total Ship 217 Last year of Reagan
87 had the fleet at its largest. And the year the Wall comes down.Which was what I meant to use as my reference point instead of fall of Soviet Union.
The draw down has started.
Reagan decreases the fleet by 6 warships.
9/30/89 Warship/total 212 President Bush first year
9/30/92 Warship/total 156 President Bush last year
Bush cuts the fleet by 56 Warships
9/30/93 Warships/total 148 President Clinton First year
9/30/00 Warships/total 128 President Clinton last year
Clinton cuts 20 Warships
9/30/01 Warships/total 127 Bush IIs first year as president
9/30/08 Warship/total 118 Last year.
Jr cut 9 Warships
Seems to me, as I stated earlier Reagan started the draw down and Bush Sr cut the most fighting ships
Total ACTIVE Warships in the US Navy under Reagan Averaged 568 ships with an average of 220 ships deployed at any given time. George Bush Sr. averaged just over 520 ships on active duty with an average of about 200 ships deployed at any given time. Clinton however is the different story. Clinton's active duty warship total went from 450 active ships to 318 ships in about 6 years.Last edited by Tanker; 13 Jan 12,, 17:12.
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Originally posted by Tanker View PostUsing the link you provide and the US Navy's own Status of the Navy site I think you read the numbers wrong. The US Navy has 285 ACTIVE warships at its disposal as of 13 January 2012. Of that 137 are underway or on station somewhere in the world. The number you give (118) was the number of ships underway not the number of ships in the Navy.
Total ACTIVE Warships in the US Navy under Reagan Averaged 568 ships with an average of 220 ships deployed at any given time. George Bush Sr. averaged just over 520 ships on active duty with an average of about 200 ships deployed at any given time. Clinton however is the different story. Clinton's active duty warship total went from 450 active ships to 318 ships in about 6 years.
So the 223 for example in 1987 was:
3 battleships
36 crusiers
69 destroyers
115 frigates
3+36+69+115=223
As of 9/30/11, we had 122 Surface Combatants
11 aircraft carriers
22 crusiers
61 destroyers
26 frigates
2 lcs
11+22+61+26+2=122
The interesting thing I see here is that Aircraft Carriers are NOT counted in the surface combatants in 1987 but they are in 2011... I'm not sure when they changed it, I guess the whole list needs to be scrubbed to determine that.
3+36+69+115=223 total
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Interesting. So, the Navy was actually BIGGER (biggest?) under a Democratic President (Clinton)?"There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge
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Originally posted by Tanker View PostUsing the link you provide and the US Navy's own Status of the Navy site I think you read the numbers wrong. The US Navy has 285 ACTIVE warships at its disposal as of 13 January 2012. Of that 137 are underway or on station somewhere in the world. The number you give (118) was the number of ships underway not the number of ships in the Navy.
Total ACTIVE Warships in the US Navy under Reagan Averaged 568 ships with an average of 220 ships deployed at any given time. George Bush Sr. averaged just over 520 ships on active duty with an average of about 200 ships deployed at any given time. Clinton however is the different story. Clinton's active duty warship total went from 450 active ships to 318 ships in about 6 years.
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Originally posted by ChrisV71 View PostActually, the term Warships is what's confusing. It should be Surface Combatants. Surface Combatants do not count Submarines, Minesweepers, Amphibs or Auxiliaries, which make the difference between the 223 and 594 of 1987.
So the 223 for example in 1987 was:
3 battleships
36 crusiers
69 destroyers
115 frigates
3+36+69+115=223
As of 9/30/11, we had 122 Surface Combatants
11 aircraft carriers
22 crusiers
61 destroyers
26 frigates
2 lcs
11+22+61+26+2=122
The interesting thing I see here is that Aircraft Carriers are NOT counted in the surface combatants in 1987 but they are in 2011... I'm not sure when they changed it, I guess the whole list needs to be scrubbed to determine that.
3+36+69+115=223 total
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View Postactually it was Reagan that started the Navy cuts after the fall of the Soviet Union. Bush decided to kill the BBs.
More new and more capable ships were added during the Clinton years than either the Reagan or Bush terms.Last edited by Dreadnought; 14 Jan 12,, 00:25.Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
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[QUOTE=Dreadnought;856928]Originally posted by Tanker View PostHere are pictures from my personal collection. This is the Forrestal and the Saratoga sitting at dock in Newport, RI June 21st 2007
Nice pics Tanker.
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Originally posted by Tanker View PostHere are pictures from my personal collection. This is the Forrestal and the Saratoga sitting at dock in Newport, RI June 21st 2007
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Originally posted by dundonrl View Posthmmm, they are at the same spot I saw them in 2004, when the USS Momsen DDG 92 was moored where the FFG is.. wonder if they have moved since 2007?
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Originally posted by dundonrl View Posthmmm, they are at the same spot I saw them in 2004, when the USS Momsen DDG 92 was moored where the FFG is.. wonder if they have moved since 2007?
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Originally posted by Tanker View PostThere was also an old LST at dock in Melville just up Defense Highway from the that point but not sure if it is still there.
A pic I took a few months ago.Attached FilesLast edited by Dreadnought; 17 Jan 12,, 22:03.Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
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