Reply With QuoteWhat time frame are we talking about? Are generals limited to one country or are they global? What size army are we dealing with, what size enemy are we dealing with?
Stole this idea from Brook Simpson's excellent Crossroads Blog
Okay, you have to pick a field army for offensive operations
Pick you commanders...justify.
Here are mine
Army Commander - Sam Grant There was none better
Army Chief Of Staff- Andrew Humphreys He was highly effective as the AOP COS until taking over the II Corps
Army Adjutant General John Rawlins
Chief of Engineers - McPherson That was his true genius
I Corps - Sherman
1 DIV - Cleburne Best division commander on either side
2 DIV - Hood
3 DIV - Peter Osterhaus I think he was the finest of the European commanders
II Corps - Meade
1 DIV Hancock
2 DIV Edward Johnson
3 DIV AP Hill
4 DIV - George Washington Getty His conduct in the Overland Campaign and at Cedar Creek was little short of spectacular
III Corps Thomas
1 DIV John B. Gordon
2 DIV Gibbon
3 DIV John Logan
Cavalry Buford
1 DIV - Stuart
2 DIV - Sheridan
3 DIV - Custer
Chief of Artillery Henry Hunt
Quartermaster General
We must be...increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other mineshaft space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow...a mine shaft gap!
- General Buck Turgidson
What time frame are we talking about? Are generals limited to one country or are they global? What size army are we dealing with, what size enemy are we dealing with?
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Good question....sorry I didn't lay out ground rules better.Originally Posted by bigross86
Time frame is mid-Civil War
Must have been a participant in that war
Need not have survived the war but lets not have any Bernard Bee's!
We must be...increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other mineshaft space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow...a mine shaft gap!
- General Buck Turgidson
AR, I enjoy your posts especially on the topic of the ACW. I am curious as to your reasons for picking Meade for a Corp command over some other more known commanders, such as Jackson or even as a corp commander over Hancock.
Thank you, this amateur in ACW history is looking forward to your response.
Jimbo, thanks for the kind words.
In my book I believe Meade was the finest battlefield commander in the Army of the Potomac. He has been given short shrift until the most recent scholarship. He performed marvelously as a division commander at South Mountain and his was the only Federal force which broke through the Confederate positions at Fredericksburg. He did very well at Gettysburg given his assumption of command literally 2 days before the battle and used his forces well. He reacted to near disasters (Sickles move of the III Corps, Devils Den and Roundtops) by moving reinforcements to key locations and knowing exactly where he could accept risk. While Warren may have been the savior of the Round Tops it was Meade's use of his staff which got the units flowing in. He kept his head and adjusted his forces accordingly. And unlike previous commanders he integrated his cavalry into his operational scheme for 3 July. In the end, he was the first to beat Lee. For the rest of the war he performed very credibly as an Army commander. I just need to keep Sheridan away from him!
Hancock, while very much deserving of the sobriquet The Superb was an excellent corps commander. But I have room for only 3 corps commanders so he gets a division. I believe Sherman and Thomas were better at the corps level in moree difficult circumstances that Hancock.
Jackson does not get a command because I don't think he would work within the comamnd structure as I envision it. He worked well in independent command but soemtimes suffered when having to work within the confines of an overall force. Plus I believe he would not do well under a commander like Grant. Lee was more Napoleonic (i.e., frame the overall campaign objectives and get the forces to the fight and then unleash his corps commanders) and Thomas thrived within that framework. And I actually think Longstreet was a better corps commander thank Jackson.
Hence my reasoning.
We must be...increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other mineshaft space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow...a mine shaft gap!
- General Buck Turgidson
Did Reynolds not live long enough to gain acclaim as a commander? I thought he was held in high regard by the Confederates.
Oh, Reynolds was an excellent corps commander and could have made this list if it was longer. But he died before his time and I thought others had a greater body of work.
I mean imagine the AOP in 1864 with Reynolds instead of Warren!
Its kind of like Horatio Wright as VI Corps commander...a good, steady hand who ws spectacular at Cedar Creek and at the Petersburg Breakthrough...but was an even commander the rest of the time.
Last edited by Albany Rifles; 06 May 11, at 17:13.
We must be...increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other mineshaft space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow...a mine shaft gap!
- General Buck Turgidson
AR thanks for the response, I was away this weekend for a graduation and just got back to my home.
One other request if you don't mind, I am somewhat familiar with most of your division commanders, but not on Peter Osterhaus, and Edward Johnson. I have started reading up a bit on the Internet, but if you have anything in particular to say in regards to these two generals, I would appreciate it.
Thanks.
Jimbo,
Not sure if you saw this website in your search Peter Joseph Osterhaus, Major General, U.S.V.
Osterhaus was a German '48er whyo came to America and fought very well for his adopted country. As has been pointed out he fought in most every significant battle in the western theater from beginning to end. He led an excellent division and then was selected by Sherman to lead his old corps, the XVth Corps.
Mary Townsend's Yankee Warhouse is an excellent read abotu him.
Allegheny Johnson was, in my estimation, the best of Lee's division commanders who served in that role for the entire war. He had the misfortune of being captured twice but he still managed to have an impressive body of work from early Western Virginia righ tup to Franklin & Nashville.
I recommend Gregg Clemmer's Old Alleghany: Life and Wars of General Ed Johnson
We must be...increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other mineshaft space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow...a mine shaft gap!
- General Buck Turgidson
Albany,
Thanks for the links I will check out those reads. I did come across that website and after reading about him I quickly realized why he made your list.
Interesting how many very capable commanders are relative unknowns to me compared to those who weren't as capable. Or that a mistake out west leads people to believe you were always an incompetent leader, like Custer. Perception and history are a funny thing.
Perception and history are a funny thing.
That's why you got people like me around, to fix perceptions!
We must be...increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other mineshaft space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow...a mine shaft gap!
- General Buck Turgidson
I realize the necromancy, but it did say allowable if the content was new, so hopefully...
I would keep most of Mr. Albany_Rifles' choices as they are excellent, however:
II Corps goes to James Longstreet
Cavalry re-organized:
Cavalry Sheridan
1DIV Stuart
2DIV Buford
3DIV Gregg
1DRAGOON BDE Wilder
Reserve BDE Custer
Reserve BDE Wheeler
Hrs.ARTYBAT Alexander
For QMst can we take demotions in this scenario?
Then maybe Halleck or Mc Clellan
I love your Wilder inclusion....I should have added him!!!
What might have been at Chickamauga....
We must be...increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other mineshaft space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow...a mine shaft gap!
- General Buck Turgidson
One thing that surprised me (in relation to Gettysburg) is the number of Prussian officers in the Army of the Potomac.
Minnie,
A lot of them were Forty-Eighters...some got out ahead of the hangman's noose! Also many were Turners.
They were damn fine soldiers (okay, not Franz Sigel!) and the largest single immigrant group to serve the Union. Wherever Germans settled they were staunch Unionists and MANY were abolitionists. Though soem served in the Confederate forces it was more due to the fact they were 2nd/3rd generation than immigrants. In fact there were strong pockets of Unionism throughout the South, often headded by German populations (see Fredericksburg, TX).
The Wiki has a pretty good explanation for a quick overview.
German Americans in the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We must be...increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other mineshaft space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow...a mine shaft gap!
- General Buck Turgidson
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