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    Twenty years ago Sufi Islam dominated the Nth Caucases & the hardline Salafist version was a tiny minority. In the intervening decades Russia & her Sufi allies have achieved a growth in Salafism in parts of the Nth Caucasus beyond the wildest dreams of even the most deluded Al Qaeda strategist. Brutality & corruption have turned a soluble problem of nationalism into a religious problem that may take generations to fix. A cautionary tale.

    (there is a link to a considerably more detailed article below).

    Islam inflamed

    Muslim fundamentalism is on the rise in the north Caucasus. To stop it, Russian policy must change

    Apr 7th 2011 | from the print edition

    ...THE world is fearful of Islam’s rising influence in Afghanistan, Pakistan and across the newly restive Arab world. But it has barely noticed what is happening in Russia’s troubled north Caucasus. After two decades of political and military failure in this violent part of the world, the government in Moscow is losing its legitimacy there, and fundamentalist Islam, which had no purchase in Soviet days, has taken hold.

    The north Caucasus may take up only a small space on the map, but it looms large for Russia. The region has often decisively influenced the course of Russia’s own development. Boris Yeltsin’s decision to send in troops to stop Chechnya’s march towards independence helped to weaken Russia’s fledgling democracy in the mid-1990s. Vladimir Putin’s vow to rub out Chechen rebels “in the shithouse” helped to propel him into the presidency. Eleven years on, the north Caucasus is still one of Russia’s biggest headaches. Terrorist attacks, like the bombing at Domodedovo airport in January, have become almost commonplace. In its largely unreported fighting in the north Caucasus, Russia is suffering as many losses every year as Britain has lost in ten years in Afghanistan.

    The Russians claim that their country is as vulnerable to Islamist terrorism and radicalism as anywhere in the West. That’s true; yet the problems in the north Caucasus are largely of Russia’s own making. Since the early 1990s Moscow’s only policies have been brute force and money, first in Chechnya and then across the north Caucasus. Mr Putin’s man in Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, treats his republic like a fief. Everywhere corruption has become entrenched. And where Mr Yeltsin once invited Russia’s republics to grab all the autonomy they could handle, Mr Putin unceremoniously scrapped regional elections after the terrorist killings in a Beslan school in 2004. All governors are now appointed by Moscow.

    Islamist radicals in such republics as Dagestan and Ingushetia are as dangerous and difficult to fight as anywhere else. But in Russia the greatest source of their strength is not their ideology, their numbers or their money. It is the failure of the Russian state to provide even a semblance of justice and the rule of law, or even a pretence of local democracy and accountability. As our briefing explains (see article), indiscriminate persecution of Islamist fundamentalists has only strengthened their cause, especially in Dagestan.

    Both the Kremlin and the authorities in the region must know that they need to change tactics. There is a glimmer of hope in Ingushetia, where an attempt by the governor, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, to rule by law has produced some immediate and positive results. Meeting Mr Yevkurov this week, President Dmitry Medvedev declared that anyone who wants to come back to normal life should be given a chance. “You have to talk to all categories of people with their misconceptions, with their views on life, often disoriented and ready to commit a crime. People are what they are and we cannot change them.” This is a welcome departure from Mr Putin’s thuggish talk and the mindless anti-Caucasian chants often heard from nationalist youths in Moscow.

    Mending starts in Moscow

    A good beginning would be to restore regional elections for governors. Experience has shown that the worst way to protect Russia’s territorial integrity is to impose direct rule from Moscow. As the north Caucasus illustrates, the country is just too big, too multiethnic and too diverse for centralised control not to fuel local resentment. For similar reasons, attempts at state control of religion in the region are likely to drive ordinary people into the arms of the fundamentalists. And, perhaps above all, giving the security forces, troops and local strongmen free rein to brutalise and corrupt people is not just wrong but also counter-productive.

    It is impossible to fix the north Caucasus, or indeed any of the country’s fissiparous regions, without dealing with Moscow’s own larger defects. The corrosive mistrust of the state is a problem for Russia as a whole—it is just more extreme in the north Caucasus. And there, radicals are offering people an alternative in fundamentalist Islam.

    There are new signs of competition for the top job in Russia between Mr Medvedev and Mr Putin (see article). But whoever ends up running the country after the election in 2012 must set out a more attractive vision for Russia’s people—including those in the country’s periphery—based on the rule of law. This might not stop the spread of radical Islam in the north Caucasus or eradicate all the rebels, but it would weaken their support. Sadly there is little sign of any such vision from the men in charge in Moscow
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    Russia's unruly north Caucasus: Islam inflamed | The Economist

    The north Caucasus: From Moscow to Mecca | The Economist

    Ingushetia: The peaceful exception | The Economist
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
    Twenty years ago Sufi Islam dominated the Nth Caucases & the hardline Salafist version was a tiny minority. In the intervening decades Russia & her Sufi allies have achieved a growth in Salafism in parts of the Nth Caucasus beyond the wildest dreams of even the most deluded Al Qaeda strategist. Brutality & corruption have turned a soluble problem of nationalism into a religious problem that may take generations to fix. A cautionary tale.
    From the Kremlin's POV, how is the nationalist/separatist problem any more/less solvable than the Islamist problem? It has had its separatist problems ever since the annexation hundreds of years back, except for the brief windows of peace obtained through extraordinary force. I can see ever-shifting pros and cons of framing the conflict in each context. An interesting story, but I am unable to draw a cautionary lesson one way or another.

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    • #3
      Cactus,

      The problem here is that the nationalist problem still exists, but now it is wedded to a revolutionary religious ideology & a fundamentalist version of islam that has grown expodentially in 20 years. Nationalist demands are generally easier to bring to a conclusion. Regional autonomy might work, at worst you can grant independence. The problem here is that Russia goes from having a sufi population that is hostile for one main reason to a salafist one that is hostile for several - one of which won't be satisfied by either option. These groups also have a history of striking deep into Russia. While the number of actual terrorists is relatively small, the more people in the region who agree with them the more likely it is that they will be supported & replaced. This is most definately a worse situation than existed 20 years ago.
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      • #4
        I'm underwhelmed by the articles.Quite poor analysis.First the force ratio between the insurgents and the Russians was much less favorable than in Iraq or Afghanistan.Thus the comparison between casualties is pointless.The Russian army may not be as efficient as the western armies,nor does it enjoys the same level of support.The insurgents on the other hand are head and shoulder above the ragtags encountered by the allied armies in Iraq or the amateur gangs in A-stan.
        US was attacked because of its strength,Russia was under attack because of its moment of weakness.There was no such thing as law,order etc... to be offered.There was either plata o plomo,the Mexican gangster way.The sole legitimacy Russia had or needed was given by articles 5.45 and 7.62.

        Russia in that situation had to act the way they acted or let the country crumble.Russia may have lost ~15000 men during that process but there are only a few Chechen rebels left,compared to the entire Chechnya+the rest of the Caucasus on the brink.Dudaev or Maschkadov had 20000 men,Doku Umarov has a few hundreds,hunted everywhere.Terrorism is actually not a big deal compared to urban conventional warfare.Most Chechens and the rest of the Caucasians learned the lesson so well that Chechen units participated in the Georgian war,on the Russian side.For at least a generation it will be peace.They may grumble,but who cares as long as they don't shoot.

        Who cares what branches of Islam they embrace.They either go rebellious for nationalist reasons,hence war.With war comes religious radicalisation.Its a never ending circle.It was the same under Shamil and before him in the 19th century.Same with the rest of the Caucasian nations.While I have a tremendous respect for their tenacity,bravery and skill at arms,I have to go with Russia on this particular one.
        Russia has won a brilliant victory,but had done it in a manner westerners don't understand nor appreciate,under circumstances poorly studied and understood.Thus they call it a loss
        Those who know don't speak
        He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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        • #5
          Then people wonder why Russians worshiped Stalin. Trains -> Siberia.
          No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

          To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mihais View Post
            Russia has won a brilliant victory,but had done it in a manner westerners don't understand nor appreciate,under circumstances poorly studied and understood.Thus they call it a loss
            Only those who never wore a uniform. Those who did can understand the Moses/Alexander the Great/Julius Caesar/Genghis Khan/Timur, etc styles of warfare

            However, if you lose, you lose far more than any other method, hence, Hitler/Tojo/Pol Pot/Idi Amin/etc

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            • #7
              The Russian army may not be as efficient as the western armies,nor does it enjoys the same level of support.The insurgents on the other hand are head and shoulder above the ragtags encountered by the allied armies in Iraq or the amateur gangs in A-stan.
              Russia fell flat on it's face against similar gangs in A-Stan. Maybe, just maybe, the Chechens aren't that great either.
              To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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              • #8
                Russia did not quite fell flat in A-stan.Besides,those afghan Mujahedins had the likes of Masood,a lot of outside support .40th Army had the entire A-stan as a combat zone with ~200000 men(including the commie afghans,for the sake of counting).They really had a harder time there.
                When did the Western armies faced 20000 reasonably trained men,ably led in prepared urban defense?
                Those who know don't speak
                He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                • #9
                  When did the Western armies faced 20000 reasonably trained men,ably led in prepared urban defense?
                  The Chechens were hardly good, the Russians just were that awful. Russia just for various reasons did a worse job in Grozny then they did in a single offensive in Afghanistan.

                  Russia did not quite fell flat in A-stan.Besides,those afghan Mujahedins had the likes of Masood,a lot of outside support .40th Army had the entire A-stan as a combat zone with ~200000 men(including the commie afghans,for the sake of counting).They really had a harder time there.
                  The Soviets did fall flat, they left the nation with very little under the control of the government and showed piss poor tactical skills.
                  To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                  • #10
                    Maybe in the end but the invasion was a feat worthy of recognition. They invaded that mountainous country by building roads in the middle of friggin winter. And they built them fast enough to storm armoured divisions through to the south.

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                    • #11
                      Maybe in the end but the invasion was a feat worthy of recognition. They invaded that mountainous country by building roads in the middle of friggin winter. And they built them fast enough to storm armoured divisions through to the south.
                      Not denying they had bright spots.
                      To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                        Regional autonomy might work, at worst you can grant independence.
                        No, it did not work. Chechnya won her defacto independence and the result was a Chechen invasion of Dagestan and the Moscow Theatre fiasco, prompting Putin to an end to the Chechen fiasco through military force.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                          Twenty years ago Sufi Islam dominated the Nth Caucases & the hardline Salafist version was a tiny minority. In the intervening decades Russia & her Sufi allies have achieved a growth in Salafism in parts of the Nth Caucasus beyond the wildest dreams of even the most deluded Al Qaeda strategist.
                          Thats only half the story as it ignores the role played by Saudi Arabia - the World's biggest exporter of Salafism.

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                          • #14
                            I think history shows that reprisals against civilians and very liberal ROEs when part of a central plan (offering incentives to give in) by good troops can work wonders. Rebels shouldn't think that hiding behind women makes them safe or that throwing down their gun can allow them to fight another day.

                            The modern misreading of past campaigns to make up a socially acceptable path to put down revolts doesn't work but it has sold books and the authors will simpy pretend we didn't do it totally the right way.
                            To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                            • #15
                              Charming. Why live in Canada?
                              Last edited by S2; 29 Apr 11,, 06:08.
                              To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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