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  • #61
    It never stopped producing, correct?
    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
    Mark Twain

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
      It never stopped producing, correct?
      85% of distilation and 82 % of craking capacity was lost so it would not have taken long to finish the job .
      J'ai en marre.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by 1979 View Post
        85% of distilation and 82 % of craking capacity was lost so it would not have taken long to finish the job .
        Romanian production peaked in 42 at 5.7mb, falling to 5.3mb in 43 and 3.5mb (on pace for 4.3mb) in 44 when it was lost to the Soviets. Comparatively German domestic production was 6.6mb, 7.6mb and 5.5mb by year. As can be seen, allied bombing had little effect able to knock only 1.4mb of potential Romanian oil off line, the loss of Romania to the Soviets was far worse.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by 1979 View Post
          85% of distilation and 82 % of craking capacity was lost so it would not have taken long to finish the job .
          What was the time frame?
          “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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          • #65
            Originally posted by zraver View Post
            Romanian production peaked in 42 at 5.7mb, falling to 5.3mb in 43 and 3.5mb (on pace for 4.3mb) in 44 when it was lost to the Soviets. Comparatively German domestic production was 6.6mb, 7.6mb and 5.5mb by year. As can be seen, allied bombing had little effect able to knock only 1.4mb of potential Romanian oil off line, the loss of Romania to the Soviets was far worse.
            for Romania those are the figures for crude extraction , craking and distilation is needed to turn it into gasoline or diesel .
            J'ai en marre.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
              What was the time frame?
              by 23 august 1944 .
              J'ai en marre.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by 1979 View Post
                by 23 august 1944 .
                Okay, so after the Allies had switched the bombing in the West towards transportation and energy.

                And after the Luftwaffe fighter arm was a hollow shell of its former self.

                And I realize that antiaircraft fire brought down a lot more bombers than did fighters but 128mm AA guns protecting Stuttgart ain't hitting GIs and Tommies in Normandy the way a fighter could.

                And going after the war industries forced the Luftwaffe to engage much more than ever did to protect tarnsportation. They protected transportation by AA guns not fighters.
                “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                Mark Twain

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                  Okay, so after the Allies had switched the bombing in the West towards transportation and energy.

                  And after the Luftwaffe fighter arm was a hollow shell of its former self.

                  And I realize that antiaircraft fire brought down a lot more bombers than did fighters but 128mm AA guns protecting Stuttgart ain't hitting GIs and Tommies in Normandy the way a fighter could.

                  And going after the war industries forced the Luftwaffe to engage much more than ever did to protect tarnsportation. They protected transportation by AA guns not fighters.

                  This is generally correct ,but until Normandy landings, german fighters accounted for most of ussaf losses .
                  http://www.afhra.af.mil/shared/media...090608-043.pdf table 159.

                  flak only took precedence when aircraft were committed to support the ground troops.
                  J'ai en marre.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by 1979 View Post
                    This is generally correct ,but until Normandy landings, german fighters accounted for most of ussaf losses .
                    http://www.afhra.af.mil/shared/media...090608-043.pdf table 159.

                    flak only took precedence when aircraft were committed to support the ground troops.

                    I meant total numbers but you are correct.

                    But I think it still proves my point.
                    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                    Mark Twain

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                    • #70
                      By the time the escort fighters were turned loose, there were not really any fighters to oppose them. Regardless the total collapse of the German economy did not happen until the fighters were turned loose.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by zraver View Post
                        By the time the escort fighters were turned loose, there were not really any fighters to oppose them. Regardless the total collapse of the German economy did not happen until the fighters were turned loose.
                        Z, so what are we arguing about?
                        “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                        Mark Twain

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                          Z, so what are we arguing about?
                          If i have it right, you think that if the allies had concentrated on the transportation net instead of industrial targets the Luftwaffe would not be forced to fight. I think the sheer damaged caused by the allies on the transport net if undertaken earlier with the addition of the heavies would have forced the German fighters to contest the skies.

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