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  • #16
    Originally posted by zraver View Post
    China would vote for it- they'd make billions selling anti-ship missiles. I don't think a WWII era battleship would do well against a volley of modern anti-ship missiles bigger than the harpoon/execoet type. The C-101 uses a 300kg semiAP warhead and can likely punch the Iowa classes armor.

    The belt on the Iowas was built to take supersonic 1000 kg AP shells, and it is behind a deeply spaced layer of 1.5" armor, so while the AShM warhead might take out the sensors and heavily damage her, it is unlikely to penetrate the inner armored raft, the deck could handle 1000# bombs and 6" armor deck was a deck down under the outer 1.5" bomb deck, there was even another armored splinter deck under the Armor deck. There are heavy armored grates in the stacks and intakes too, they are designed to take bombs and shells. The AShM's are designed to attack modern unarmored ships and aren't designed or fused for the kind of heavy layered armor the Iowa carries, they would probably blow a hole in the shell or upper deck, the armor would deflect the fragments. A modern torpedo would be much more likely to sink one. But they are staying at their museums and if someone comes and sinks them there will be war....
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    • #17
      NJ police, SEALs train on retired battleship.;)

      By Carol Comegno - (Cherry Hill, N.J.) Courier-Post
      Posted : Thursday May 5, 2011 17:01:55 EDT

      CAMDEN, N.J. — A helicopter hovered 30 feet above the main deck of the retired battleship New Jersey on Tuesday, just a few feet from the long skyward barrels of the ship’s biggest turret guns.

      Once the chopper inched into a stationary midair position, a rope was dropped onto the forward deck of the ship just in front of the three barrels.

      In 15 seconds or less and one at a time, seven to eight men in battle dress camouflage slid down onto the deck amid the swirling winds created by the copters.

      The “assault” team remained crouched until the helicopter crew drew the rope back up and flew off less a minute after dropping the men down.

      It was all part of a training exercise conducted by New Jersey State Police, along with Navy SEALs, on the forecastle of the ship, now retired as a museum on the Delaware River waterfront in Camden.

      Sources close to the exercise said the SEALs were members of elite Team Six — the same secret operations assault group that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden at his walled compound in Pakistan earlier this week. The Navy never confirms the existence of Team Six and information from the Navy about the battleship exercise was not available Tuesday.

      James Schuck, president and CEO of the Battleship New Jersey Museum and Memorial, said the state police called late Monday and asked him if the ship would be available for a joint exercise with the SEALs.

      “We were happy to accommodate,” he said.

      Museum officials sent a written advisory to the media Monday night advising that SEALs would take part in an exercise on the battleship — the most decorated in Navy history. As media arrived Tuesday, ship staff refused to confirm or deny that, reportedly at the request of the state police.

      But sources close to the exercise confirmed SEALs were on board to help train the state police and that one was retired. Some museum staff even had a private photo taken with SEAL members.

      “We’re more than a museum,” Schuck said. “We support the active military.”

      He said the museum allows Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst and the Coast Guard to use the ship for training and for military retirements, promotions, and other ceremonial events.

      There were two types of simulated assaults staged Tuesday in which two state police helicopters and small police patrol boats were used. Teams climbed from the small boats up rope ladders to the deck aft on the port side hull of the nearly 887-foot-long ship.

      Much farther forward on the port side, two helicopters made a total of four practice assault drops, depositing 30 men in all to the deck after picking them up from another waterfront staging area at nearby Campbell’s Field.

      The blue and yellow striped AW-139 helicopters had to avoid another obstacle as they hovered — a long wire that runs at an angle from the ship’s mast to the bow for lighting or displaying decorative signal flags.

      Several dozen men took part in Tuesday’s exercise, but the exact number was not provided. Except for a few state police supervisors in blue and gold-striped uniforms who did not take part in the assaults themselves, all other participants were dressed in green and brown battle dress fatigues.

      Only state police Capt. David Mitten of Williamstown spoke to the media about the exercise. He denied the presence of SEALs, but said the training was part of the state police maritime course on vessel boarding by a state police tactical group known as the Technical Emergency Mission Specialist team.

      Mitten said the team practices maneuvers for a possible terrorist act or other emergency situation on the Delaware River or in the New York-New Jersey harbor.

      Mitten said the technique used by the men who dropped from the helicopter — similar to the assault on the bin Laden compound — is known as fast roping rather than rappelling. In fast roping, a larger diameter rope is used and the men are not connected to it but slide down freely.

      “You would use repelling in certain situations, but it does take a bit longer because you have to disconnect yourself from the rope you’re attached by stepping back and letting it out,” Mitten explained.

      He said the battleship was a last-minute choice for the exercise location.



      NJ police, SEALs train on retired battleship - Navy News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Navy Times
      Last edited by Dreadnought; 06 May 11,, 19:22.
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      • #18
        When does Steven Segal make an entrance?
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
          When does Steven Segal make an entrance?
          Only in the movies.;)
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          • #20
            tbm - Have there ever been any excercises like that on the USS Hornet that you know of?
            "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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            • #21
              Originally posted by zraver View Post
              China would vote for it- they'd make billions selling anti-ship missiles. I don't think a WWII era battleship would do well against a volley of modern anti-ship missiles bigger than the harpoon/execoet type. The C-101 uses a 300kg semiAP warhead and can likely punch the Iowa classes armor.

              What about anti-missile systems like MetalStorm mounted en-masse on the BB?
              "Who says organization, says oligarchy"

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Wayfarer View Post
                What about anti-missile systems like MetalStorm mounted en-masse on the BB?
                Why buy expensive metalstorm when proximity fuse could do the same with shrapnel cheaper?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                  Why buy expensive metalstorm when proximity fuse could do the same with shrapnel cheaper?
                  I concede defeat, but why was AEGIS developed/used if theoretically these could take out incoming missiles? From what I know AEGIS just uses anti-ballistic missiles to target incoming anti-ship missiles.
                  "Who says organization, says oligarchy"

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Wayfarer View Post
                    I concede defeat, but why was AEGIS developed/used if theoretically these could take out incoming missiles? From what I know AEGIS just uses anti-ballistic missiles to target incoming anti-ship missiles.
                    AEGIS was developed not only for the purpose you stated above among other purposes not going to be mentioned but also to be able to give all capability to all ships equipped with AEGIS to see what one ship can see. Instant information and target sharing.

                    What one see's, they all see and therefore able to target instantly no matter how distant they may be. Thats why its the pinacle of shipboard systems thus far and only improves with time and mod's.
                    Last edited by Dreadnought; 07 May 11,, 07:40.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Wayfarer View Post
                      I concede defeat, but why was AEGIS developed/used if theoretically these could take out incoming missiles? From what I know AEGIS just uses anti-ballistic missiles to target incoming anti-ship missiles.
                      They were done upgrading the BB's in the 1980's - and the decision then was to upgrade them just enough for the mission at hand, but stop short of AEGIS and other expensive mods - like upgraded propulsion (they did convert them to modern naval distilate fuel oil). They were intended to operate with cruisers and destroyers which could provide sensor support. There have been plenty of design studies for modern battleships, but navies don't see the need for a surface combatant the size of a BB anymore. Modern torpedoes, submarines, AShM's, aircraft and situational awareness have made aircraft carriers the only warship of this size that can be justified in its cost and vulnerability. It has been determined that a larger number of smaller surface combatants is the best use of funding.
                      Last edited by USSWisconsin; 07 May 11,, 09:00.
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