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  • #46
    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    1) Qaddafy did not have that much gold ... or oil.

    2) The DPRK needed Chinese rice a hell of a lot more than Libyan gold.

    3) KJI never abandoned the nuclear warhead program

    4) Pakistan's AQ Khan offerred his expertise and his equipmentto Qaddafy. Qaddafy could not afford the price.

    5) Qaddafy already bought a Chinese warhead blueprint from AQ Khan. His scientists could not make heads or tail.

    6) You know a hell of a lot less than you pretend to know.
    I hear that Gaddafi has 143.8 tons of gold,how many do you supose he has?
    a poor country like north Korea could develop nuclear weapons,so if Gaddafi make up his mind to get nuclear weapons,why he can't get it?
    even if he can't get it?why he persuade Kim Jong II abandon nuclear weapons?
    do you think Iran would make up mind to get nuclear weapons or not,after they see what happen on Sadam,Gaddafi and Kim Jong II?

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    • #47
      You really do not know anything, do you?

      1) Gold is a commoditty. The more you try to sell, the less valuable it becomes.

      2) North Korea has NOT developed nuclear weapons. She did two nuclear tests that were DUDs.

      3) Qaddafy could not afford AQ Khan who could only do one project at at time. At the time, Iran outbid Qaddafy and got AQ Khan's help.

      4) Iran got the technology from AQ Khan and only now has enough uranium for one gun type uranium nuclear weapon (read it up exactly what that means). She has yet to do the testing needed to make more complex weapons.

      5) We know Iran bought both Chinese and Pakistani nuclear weapons blueprints from AQ Khan. However, they`ve done no testing that would be needed to make nuclear weapons.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Aryajet View Post
        2 heads of States taking pix together or even signing a peace treaty don't mean jack.

        These 2 took many pix together and signed a pact but not long after they were bombing the daylight out of each other.

        so,who act like Hitler now?Nicolas Sarkozy or Muammar Gaddafi?pretend to be friend to the other a few month before,and then surpriseattack him.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
          so,who act like Hitler now?Nicolas Sarkozy or Muammar Gaddafi?pretend to be friend to the other a few month before,and then surpriseattack him.
          Oh really,

          Berlin Discoteque, PM AM flights, Chad, ... who surprised attacked whom

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            You really do not know anything, do you?

            1) Gold is a commoditty. The more you try to sell, the less valuable it becomes.

            2) North Korea has NOT developed nuclear weapons. She did two nuclear tests that were DUDs.

            3) Qaddafy could not afford AQ Khan who could only do one project at at time. At the time, Iran outbid Qaddafy and got AQ Khan's help.

            4) Iran got the technology from AQ Khan and only now has enough uranium for one gun type uranium nuclear weapon (read it up exactly what that means). She has yet to do the testing needed to make more complex weapons.

            5) We know Iran bought both Chinese and Pakistani nuclear weapons blueprints from AQ Khan. However, they`ve done no testing that would be needed to make nuclear weapons.
            1)yes,the price of gold would fall if somebody sell a lot,but it still can buy a lot of things,it is not waste paper.now Gaddafi use his gold to pay mercenary army,why not use gold buy nuclear technique before,is gold price didn't fall when he spent on mercenary army?
            2) North Korea did two nuclear tests.Iran got the technology from AQ Khan and only now has enough uranium for one gun type uranium nuclear weapon. She has yet to do the testing needed to make more complex weapons.
            and what next after a few years?these two countries make up their mind,isn't it?
            Last edited by aeneasy; 08 Apr 11,, 06:02.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
              Oh really,

              Berlin Discoteque, PM AM flights, Chad, ... who surprised attacked whom
              yes,but when?and when did those picture of Nicolas Sarkozy and Muammar Gaddafi taken?why not attack Gaddafi before?but let him be leader for 42 years?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                yes,but when?and when did those picture of Nicolas Sarkozy and Muammar Gaddafi taken?why not attack Gaddafi before?but let him be leader for 42 years?
                It was inconvenient.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                  1) Qaddafy did not have that much gold ... or oil.

                  4) Pakistan's AQ Khan offerred his expertise and his equipmentto Qaddafy. Qaddafy could not afford the price.

                  5) Qaddafy already bought a Chinese warhead blueprint from AQ Khan. His scientists could not make heads or tail.
                  Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                  3) Qaddafy could not afford AQ Khan who could only do one project at at time. At the time, Iran outbid Qaddafy and got AQ Khan's help.

                  4) Iran got the technology from AQ Khan and only now has enough uranium for one gun type uranium nuclear weapon (read it up exactly what that means). She has yet to do the testing needed to make more complex weapons.

                  5) We know Iran bought both Chinese and Pakistani nuclear weapons blueprints from AQ Khan. However, they`ve done no testing that would be needed to make nuclear weapons.
                  $30billion of the regimes assets were seized in the US alone. So cost cannot be a signficant factor.

                  Lack of skills & expertise is a bigger obstacle to contend with. Libya has a population of ~5million, Iran has 70 million and Pakistan 170 million. Not having the right personnel will cause severe problems for this project given one cannot buy nukes off the shelf at any price. N.Korea was lucky here to have had more Chinese help for other reasons.

                  Now, to actually give up the project altogether means either the threat went away or a better alternative presented itself. If Gaddafi was convinced that he would not make any progress even if he stuck at it for a cpl of decades longer then improvments his economy stood to make without sanctions would be worth it.

                  From this pov, attacking Iraq might have given a further incentive not to pursue this path. He was not a threat until he became more proficient in this tech and if that happened he'd be easier to topple than Saddam.

                  It also poses the question that if Iran plods on for yet another ten years without making too much progress then does a point come where they too will decide it isn't worth pursuing nukes either. Debatable.

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                  • #54
                    we already failed in Libya it was wrong to go in and intervene. Considering the rebels are worse than Qad for us long term and the instability it created in the oil markets that is getting priced in right now... wrong decision, and wrong execution of the wrong decision.
                    Originally from Sochi, Russia.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                      1)yes,the price of gold would fall if somebody sell a lot,but it still can buy a lot of things,it is not waste paper.now Gaddafi use his gold to pay mercenary army,why not use gold buy nuclear technique before,is gold price didn't fall when he spent on mercenary army?
                      Are you just lazy? Iran OUTBID Libya. For AQ Khan, it was first come, first served.

                      Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                      2) North Korea did two nuclear tests.
                      North Korea FAILED two nuclear tests.

                      Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                      Iran got the technology from AQ Khan and only now has enough uranium for one gun type uranium nuclear weapon. She has yet to do the testing needed to make more complex weapons.
                      and what next after a few years?these two countries make up their mind,isn't it?
                      Nothing. North Korea demonstrated she does not have the know how for an implosion device, let alone more complex devices. Iran needs to test since all she had were Pakistani duds designs.

                      Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                      yes,but when?and when did those picture of Nicolas Sarkozy and Muammar Gaddafi taken?why not attack Gaddafi before?but let him be leader for 42 years?
                      So what? Your question was who attacked whom first. It was NOT Sarkozy.

                      And we did attack Qaddafy - three times.

                      Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                      $30billion of the regimes assets were seized in the US alone. So cost cannot be a signficant factor.

                      Lack of skills & expertise is a bigger obstacle to contend with. Libya has a population of ~5million, Iran has 70 million and Pakistan 170 million. Not having the right personnel will cause severe problems for this project given one cannot buy nukes off the shelf at any price. N.Korea was lucky here to have had more Chinese help for other reasons.

                      Now, to actually give up the project altogether means either the threat went away or a better alternative presented itself. If Gaddafi was convinced that he would not make any progress even if he stuck at it for a cpl of decades longer then improvments his economy stood to make without sanctions would be worth it.

                      From this pov, attacking Iraq might have given a further incentive not to pursue this path. He was not a threat until he became more proficient in this tech and if that happened he'd be easier to topple than Saddam.

                      It also poses the question that if Iran plods on for yet another ten years without making too much progress then does a point come where they too will decide it isn't worth pursuing nukes either. Debatable.
                      1) AQ Khan's help was limited. Except for the CICH-4 warhead, the Pakistani blueprints were duds. Without access to Pakistani data or testing, it would be debateable that Iran can deduced what went wrong simply by looking at the designs.

                      2) AQ Khan can only do one project at a time. He could export only so many centerfudges. Dividing them between two customers was not going to make anyone happy. Thus, a bidding war. Libya was not going to win that one.

                      3) North Korea has no nuclear weapons knowledge. She knows how to make duds, not bombs.
                      Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 08 Apr 11,, 12:21.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by cyppok View Post
                        we already failed in Libya it was wrong to go in and intervene. Considering the rebels are worse than Qad for us long term and the instability it created in the oil markets that is getting priced in right now... wrong decision, and wrong execution of the wrong decision.
                        Libya is divided. Whomever wins will need decades to get their act together. That is a hell of a lot better than a single dictator doing Lockerbies around the world.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          Are you just lazy? Iran OUTBID Libya. For AQ Khan, it was first come, first served.
                          haha,what means that?that means Gaddafi should Regret didn't outbid Iran before.it is said 50billion of Gaddafi assets outside Libya had been blocked since the outbreak of war,he must be very repentant for not having used those money buy something important before this year,don't you think so?

                          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          North Korea FAILED two nuclear tests.
                          Nothing. North Korea demonstrated she does not have the know how for an implosion device, let alone more complex devices. Iran needs to test since all she had were Pakistani duds designs.
                          I know that,my point is not the suceed or fail,but the will.you may pray North Korea failed again and again,the third time,the fourth time......

                          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          So what? Your question was who attacked whom first. It was NOT Sarkozy.
                          my question is not who attacked whom first,my question is what happen after the latest compromise.

                          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          And we did attack Qaddafy - three times.
                          yes,when he was a lunatic,you just give him some punishment,when he just act more like a normal guy,you try to overthrow him.
                          Last edited by aeneasy; 08 Apr 11,, 16:05.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                            haha,what means that?that means Gaddafi should Regret didn't outbid Iran before.it is said 50billion of Gaddafi assets outside Libya had been blocked since the outbreak of war,he must be very repentant for not having used those money buy something important before this year,don't you think so?
                            And look where Iran is today - still without a bomb.

                            Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                            I know that,my point is not the suceed or fail,but the will.you may pray North Korea failed again and again,the third time,the fourth time......
                            I don't have to pray. They've used up all their testing plutonium. They test one more and even if it's a success, they got one bomb. As of right now, theyv'e got enough for 2 and not one single design that works.

                            In order for them to test more, they have to build more Pu and they're just rebuilding the factories to do so ... and failing. The equipment is rusted through.

                            You really don't know anything.

                            Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                            my question is not who attacked whom first,my question is what happen after the latest compromise.
                            Your question was who surprised attack whom. Sarkozy gave plenty of warning. There was no surprise attack. You're failing and failing bad.

                            Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                            yes,when he was a lunatic,you just give him some punishment,when he just act more like a normal guy,you try to overthrow him.
                            No, his people are trying to overthrow him. We've just chosen sides.

                            You're a bad failure at strategy 101.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                              And look where Iran is today - still without a bomb.

                              I don't have to pray. They've used up all their testing plutonium. They test one more and even if it's a success, they got one bomb. As of right now, theyv'e got enough for 2 and not one single design that works.

                              In order for them to test more, they have to build more Pu and they're just rebuilding the factories to do so ... and failing. The equipment is rusted through.
                              so,for the same reason,you absolutely know Sadam can never develop nuclear bomb.but still you attack Iraq on the excuse of that,and found no WMD after the Iraq war.

                              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                              You really don't know anything.
                              it's not about knowledge,it's about rationality.look, I can't use English as fluently as you,and I am common people doing a job with nothing to do with military or relevant aspect.but even you know more in some aspect than me,you can't make your rightness.every evidence you offered will agaist yourself.in fact,Hitler was more knowledgeble than most of people in the world,but was him right?

                              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                              Your question was who surprised attack whom. Sarkozy gave plenty of warning. There was no surprise attack. You're failing and failing bad.
                              when you compromise with someone,and then you attack him,that's surprised attack.what kind of warning?expert

                              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                              No, his people are trying to overthrow him. We've just chosen sides.

                              You're a bad failure at strategy 101.
                              chosen side by air force bombing,and annihilate severl tank squadrons,what a big chosen.go to hell your strategy 101.hegemonism

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                                so,for the same reason,you absolutely know Sadam can never develop nuclear bomb.but still you attack Iraq on the excuse of that,and found no WMD after the Iraq war.
                                You are a freaking idiot. Or at least a lazy one. Saddam's WMD program was chemical. He had aspiration of nuclear which was dormant but his chemical program was live and well. Ask the Kurds.

                                Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                                it's not about knowledge,it's about rationality.look, I can't use English as fluently as you,and I am common people doing a job with nothing to do with military or relevant aspect.but even you know more in some aspect than me,you can't make your rightness.every evidence you offered will agaist yourself.in fact,Hitler was more knowledgeble than most of people in the world,but was him right?
                                I have absolutely no clue what you're trying to say here. All you're saying is that you're not good in English. Ok, nothing wrong with that. You are not military. Again, nothing wrong with that. I know more than you. Fine, nothing more than that. But Hitler knowing more than me? Not a chance in hell. First of all, I live way beyond him and 2nd, he lost.

                                Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                                when you compromise with someone,and then you attack him,that's surprised attack.what kind of warning?expert
                                Oh, I don't know. How about 30 FREAKING DAYS! 30 Days! An entire month. Qaddafy knew he was about to be attaced for 30 days. That is NOT A SUPRISE ATTACK BY ANY DEFINITION. However, the PAM Flights, Chad, Berlin Discoteque. These were all terrorist attacks, by definition, surprise attacks. No warning. You really don't know anything.

                                Originally posted by aeneasy View Post
                                chosen side by air force bombing,and annihilate severl tank squadrons,what a big chosen.go to hell your strategy 101.hegemonism
                                Fine. WAB is not the place for you, fan boy.

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