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    What a pratt , he's certainly a chip off the old block , his dads a pratt as well , I admired him for his role in the Falklands , but now he is

    HERO TO ZERO ,wtf is wrong with his thinking , lay with dogs ya get fleas .



    The Duke of York will have to judge whether he should carry on as UK trade envoy amid continued controversy over his ties to a convicted paedophile, a senior minister has suggested.

    Business Secretary Vince Cable said "conversations" would be taking place with Prince Andrew over his future role.

    "He is a volunteer, he has offered to perform these roles, and I think it is down to him essentially to judge the position he wants to be in," Mr Cable told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

    "Obviously there are conversations that will take place with him about what he is to do in future. That is simply a matter of managing the relationship."

    Fresh doubts have been raised about Andrew's position as the UK's Special Representative for International Trade and Investment in the wake of further media coverage over the weekend about his links with American billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.

    Mr Cable, who as President of the Board of Trade is responsible for trade promotion, stressed that it was not up to ministers to drop the Duke. "He is not a Government employee. He is not somebody who is appointed and sacked," he said.

    He added that he had no criticism of the way Andrew had carried out his responsibilities as trade envoy and that business had found him "supportive and helpful".

    However, Labour former Foreign Office minister Chris Bryant told the Today programme: "I think we should be dispensing with his services. I think the charge list now against him is so long that he is a bit of an embarrassment."

    Andrew has known Epstein, 58, since the early 1990s, and met him as recently as December in New York. The financier was accused of sex offences by a number of under-age girls and sentenced to 18 months in prison in 2008 for soliciting a minor for prostitution.

    His private secretary, Alastair Watson, in a letter published in the Times newspaper last week, said: "The Duke has known Mr Epstein since being introduced to him in the early 1990s. The insinuations and innuendos that have been made in relation to the Duke are without foundation."

  • #2
    Originally posted by tankie View Post
    However, Labour former Foreign Office minister Chris Bryant told the Today programme: "I think we should be dispensing with his services. I think the charge list now against him is so long that he is a bit of an embarrassment."
    Bryant should get his own house in order before making comment.

    "In 1991 Bryant left the ordained ministry, after deciding that being gay and being a Vicar were incompatible".

    He volunteers for the post and he does it for free. His choice of friend is his choice of friend no matter how ill advised that is. Epstein was convicted and sentenced and is now on the sex register. Andrew should distance himself from him but that must be his choice and not the choice of others.

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    • #3
      That on top of his friendships with Gadaffi's son.... does not help, I think he may have to step aside and stop embaressing the country.
      sigpicFEAR NAUGHT

      Should raw analytical data ever be passed to policy makers?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by dave lukins View Post
        Bryant should get his own house in order before making comment.

        "In 1991 Bryant left the ordained ministry, after deciding that being gay and being a Vicar were incompatible".

        He volunteers for the post and he does it for free. His choice of friend is his choice of friend no matter how ill advised that is. Epstein was convicted and sentenced and is now on the sex register. Andrew should distance himself from him but that must be his choice and not the choice of others.
        Bryant is GAY Nuts not a kiddy fiddler ,there is a vast distance between the 2 , the Q could be argued in Dook's defence is , did he know the "friend" was a kiddy fiddler , if not his advisers and security needs a kick up the arse .
        Last edited by tankie; 07 Mar 11,, 15:27.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tankie View Post
          Bryant is GAY Nuts not a kiddy fiddler ,there is a vast distance between the 2 , the Q could be argued in Dook's defence is , did he know the "friend" was a kiddy fiddler , if not his advisers and security needs a kick up the arse .
          Andrew has such a strong personality I don't think he would take much notice on what his advisor's tell him. He will make up his own mind. Epstein was found guilty of a single charge of 'sexual exploitation of a 17 yrs old"...If that happened in the UK it would barely get media space. There must be a lot of 'dirty old men' in power saying..."there for the grace of God go I". I'm not saying it's right and I think Andrew should distance himself from this scummy guy as soon as possible. However, I think money has clouded his judgment. Dropping a paedo' billionaire can close a lot of doors

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          • #6
            Here ya go nuts , and the FBI are re'opening cases , others have returned donations to him as they obviously wanted to distance theirselves , i wonder what her Majesty will be saying to him



            Solicitation of prostitution

            In March 2005, a woman contacted Palm Beach police, concerned that her 14-year-old step daughter had been taken to Epstein’s mansion by an older girl and paid $300 after stripping to her knickers and massaging the man while he masturbated.[10] She had told him that she was 18 years old.[8] She undressed but had left on her underwear. [11] By 2011 at least 40 girls aged 13 to 17 had come forward with similar stories, some saying Epstein sexually assaulted them during the massage.[10]

            Police started an 11-month undercover investigation of Epstein, followed by a search of his home. Subsequently they alleged that Epstein had paid several escorts to perform sexual acts on him. Interviews with five alleged victims and 17 witnesses under oath, phone messages, a high school transcript and other items they found in Mr. Epstein's trash and home allegedly show that some girls were under 18, although they all maintained to him at the time that they were of proper age.[12] A search of Epstein's home found numerous photos of the girls throughout the house, some of whom had been interviewed earlier by the police.[11] He had set up a system of young women recruiting other women for his massage services.[8] Two housekeepers stated to the police that Epstein would receive massages every day whenever he stayed in Palm Beach.[11] In May 2006, Palm Beach police filed a probable cause affidavit saying that Epstein should be charged with four counts of unlawful sex with minors and one molestation count, in spite of the fact that the girls lied about their ages.[11] I His team of lawyers included Gerald B. Lefcourt, Alan Dershowitz and later also Kenneth Starr.[8] Epstein had passed a lie detector test while being asked whether he knew of the under-age status of the girls.[13] They also questioned the credibility of the teenage accusers, based in part on their MySpace postings and information obtained by private investigators.[not in citation given][12][14]

            Instead of following the recommendation of the police, the prosecutors considered the evidence weak[ and presented it to a grand jury, an uncommon procedure in non-capital cases. The grand jury returned only a single charge of felony solicitation of prostitution, to which Epstein pleaded not guilty in August 2006.[14]

            In June, 2008, after pleading to a single state charge of soliciting prostitution, Epstein began serving an 18 month sentence. Following his release he will be required to register as a sex offender [1]

            After the accusations became public, several parties returned donations they had received from Epstein, including Eliot L. Spitzer, Mark A. Green, Bill Richardson,[7] and the Palm Beach Police Department.[12] Harvard announced that it would not return any money.[7]

            On June 18, 2010 Epstein's former butler Alfredo Rodriguez was sentenced to 18 months in jail for trying to sell a journal that recorded Epstein's activities

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            • #7
              although they all maintained to him at the time that they were of proper age.
              Apparently by your own source, Epstein didn't know he himself was a kiddie fiddler....

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              • #8
                Hindsight is easy you cannot judge who will become embarrassing in the future some people hold power till they drop ded.

                Sometimes you are obligated to be nice to other leaders whom may be "eccentric" faulting a person for doing what they should (which is curry favor with foreign emissaries no matter their degree of mind of eccentricity is very easy).

                Easy to condemn but in the real world to solve real problems you have to deal with everyone because shunning others may not work in geopolitics.
                Originally from Sochi, Russia.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by zraver View Post
                  Apparently by your own source, Epstein didn't know he himself was a kiddie fiddler....
                  True z but he was convicted of an offence , but yes its true what you say .Andrew should have put distance from him like others did , IMO , however we have to wait n see how it pans out .

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                  • #10
                    I have read the case notes and find him a disgusting individual who managed through his bank account, to get himself a peace-meal sentence. The thing is Andrew, being a bit of a bruiser, won't have anyone telling him who to see or who not to see. Liz like Vikky won't be amused but it'll be water off a ducks back to him. Epstein had dealings with Fergies affairs so that will be taken into account as well...Under the carpet stuff mate;)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cyppok View Post
                      Hindsight is easy you cannot judge who will become embarrassing in the future some people hold power till they drop ded.

                      Sometimes you are obligated to be nice to other leaders whom may be "eccentric" faulting a person for doing what they should (which is curry favor with foreign emissaries no matter their degree of mind of eccentricity is very easy).

                      Easy to condemn but in the real world to solve real problems you have to deal with everyone because shunning others may not work in geopolitics.
                      Concurred , however the way is easy for him as he was a volunteer , not an elected diplomat . But he is very headstrong and likes the jetset (free)lifestyle , but he has also done good for the UK trade ,, but still a foolish guy , how did he think when the news got out how it would be greeted , the tabloids here are slating him .

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tankie View Post
                        Concurred , however the way is easy for him as he was a volunteer , not an elected diplomat . But he is very headstrong and likes the jetset (free)lifestyle , but he has also done good for the UK trade ,, but still a foolish guy , how did he think when the news got out how it would be greeted , the tabloids here are slating him .
                        I see as we speak, Cameron as well as many businessmen are backing him.

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                        • #13
                          Some peeps are for him and others against ,,just in and his ex had her hands in the pot as well



                          David Cameron has full confidence in Prince Andrew in his role as UK trade envoy, the Prime Minister's spokesman has said.





                          The Duke of York is under mounting pressure after revelations about his links with American billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted paedophile.

                          The Prime Minister's backing came after Business Secretary Vince Cable said the prince would have to decide whether to carry on in the role.

                          Mr Cable had said "conversations" would be taking place with Andrew over his future in the role.

                          But Mr Cameron's spokesman insisted Downing Street was not reviewing the prince's role "in any way" and believed he made a major contribution.

                          Asked if the Prime Minister had full confidence in the prince, the spokesman said: "Yes," adding: "We are not reviewing that role in any way.

                          "The Government's position is very clear - that we support him in his role as trade envoy.

                          "He has made a very important contribution to UK trade through the role and continues to do so. We think he makes a valuable contribution and so does British business."

                          Chancellor George Osborne also gave Andrew his full backing, saying: "We have confidence in him doing the job and we think he's done a good job in recent years.

                          "He's promoted British exports. What we want is everyone promoting British exports at the minute and Prince Andrew has done that."

                          Mr Cable had said earlier: "He is a volunteer, he has offered to perform these roles, and I think it is down to him essentially to judge the position he wants to be in."

                          But the business secretary - who as president of the Board of Trade is responsible for trade promotion - insisted it was not up to the Government to drop the Duke.

                          Mr Cable said: "He is not a Government employee. He is not somebody who is appointed and sacked," he said, adding firms found him "supportive and helpful".

                          The fresh questions about his position came as Andrew visited a school in East London in his role as patron of the organisation Young Engineers.

                          The prince appeared relaxed, joking and laughing with teenagers as they showed him their projects.

                          He later visited the Canary Wharf offices of Crossrail and ignored shouts asking whether he was an embarrassment to the royal family.

                          The prince has known 58-year-old Epstein since the early 1990s, and met him as recently as December in New York.

                          The financier was accused of sex offences by a number of under-age girls and sentenced to 18 months in prison in 2008 for soliciting a minor for prostitution.

                          The prince's ex-wife has now also become embroiled in the row after admitting she accepted £15,000 from Epstein to help pay off her debts.

                          Sarah Ferguson described accepting the money, used to pay off her former assistant Johnny O'Sullivan, as a "gigantic error of judgment".

                          "I am just so contrite I cannot say. Whenever I can I will repay the money and will have nothing ever to do with Jeffrey Epstein ever again," the duchess said.

                          She also strongly defended the duke, describing him as a "first rate" man and father who worked "tirelessly" for his country.

                          "The duke is a man who does not know how to tell an untruth or behave dishonourably," she said.

                          The duke has been the UK's Special Representative for International Trade and Investment since 2001.

                          His position is under regular review, and he held talks with the Prime Minister's adviser John Cunliffe last Tuesday.

                          Sir Andrew Cahn, chief executive of UK Trade and Investment until this January, said the prince provided "enormous value" which competitors would give their "eye teeth" for.

                          "He has access at the highest level in markets, he is there for the long term and he has a status which other trade representatives don't have," he said.

                          But critics emphasise the prince is a representative of the UK abroad, and taxpayers' have spent £4m to fund his work over the past decade.

                          Labour former Foreign Office minister Chris Bryant said it was time for him to go.

                          Mr Bryant said: "I think we should be dispensing with his services. I think the charge list now against him is so long that he is a bit of an embarrassment."

                          Senior Liberal Democrat peer Matthew Oakeshott said: "If the Duke of York was working for a private-sector business, the board would be asking whether he is a salesman now carrying too much baggage."

                          Labour peer and businessman Lord Berkeley questioned the Duke's judgment and senior Labour backbencher Mike Gapes said his position was "untenable".

                          A Palace spokesman said: "The Duke of York remains committed to the role of special representative and we are pleased that the Government recognises this."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tankie View Post
                            But critics emphasise the prince is a representative of the UK abroad, and taxpayers' have spent £4m to fund his work over the past decade.
                            4 million over 10 years? Thats cheap considering he'd probably have to do a lot of flying and stay in lots of expensive resorts in order to be able to invite businessmen around for drinks and meetings etc.

                            Labour former Foreign Office minister Chris Bryant said it was time for him to go.
                            So someone not involved in the government at the moment, wont know all the fact? take it with a grain of salt. Plus he's from the opposition party.

                            Mr Bryant said: "I think we should be dispensing with his services. I think the charge list now against him is so long that he is a bit of an embarrassment."
                            A stupid statement unless he's under investigation by the police, and if he was making that statement would be illegal anyway.

                            Fun and games, all is fair in love, politics and war. Involvement with this guy *before* his conviction should not be seen as a problem to the Prince, since the guy is hardly going to tell him what he's been up to.. Involvement *after* might be seen as a problem depending on how and where the contact took place.

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