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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    I'll take that as your summation, in a line, of this whole affair.

    Good article btw, does not leave much to the imagination.

    On the bright side, these rebels uncoordinated as they might seem are alert enough, brave enough, determined enough to have successfully captured a section of the SAS. Now, i don't think Benghazi is going to fall within a week

    Gaddafi will not be able to take Benghazi with just aircraft & artillery. He's going to have go street by street, house to house. There's still a lot of fight left in these people.
    I think your under the impression that they will go in and try to forcefully take it. My feeling is what they will do is set up a perimeter and pound it while making raids in and out until the city capitulates. Its similar to old style castle warfare. More focus on starving out the defenders in the castle(city) than taking it by force.
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    After reading these posts and from what the media are saying , there's only one word to describe this mission , EMBARRASSING


    Hey Wayne ,,,,, if your in trouble ,,and you need help , and if you can find them , then maybe you can hire , the ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,h,A,gue Team


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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    I'll take that as your summation, in a line, of this whole affair.

    Good article btw, does not leave much to the imagination.

    On the bright side, these rebels uncoordinated as they might seem are alert enough, brave enough, determined enough to have successfully captured a section of the SAS. Now, i don't think Benghazi is going to fall within a week

    Gaddafi will not be able to take Benghazi with just aircraft & artillery. He's going to have go street by street, house to house. There's still a lot of fight left in these people.
    Ya right DE,

    Quote Originally Posted by Mihais View Post
    The story seems to be a recycled version of the ''farmer forces down Apache with a rifle'' of Iraqi fame.First of all,the sources are in Benghazi.For all I know,the vaunted media is nothing but the voice for the dreams of whatever Libyan hero wannabee.

    I call BS on that one until better intel becomes available.
    I agree Mihais, this happened or something happened but happened like this, nah BS to it all, its a cover story for something IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    After reading these posts and from what the media are saying , there's only one word to describe this mission , EMBARRASSING

    Hey Wayne ,,,,, if your in trouble ,,and you need help , and if you can find them , then maybe you can hire , the ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,h,A,gue Team
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    After reading these posts and from what the media are saying , there's only one word to describe this mission , EMBARRASSING


    Hey Wayne ,,,,, if your in trouble ,,and you need help , and if you can find them , then maybe you can hire , the ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,h,A,gue Team
    Groan...puts lunch back in the oven as I've lost me appitite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave lukins View Post
    Groan...puts lunch back in the oven as I've lost me appitite.



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    Gaddafi's army will kill half a million, warn rebels

    'Bracing for massacre'
    "We are bracing for a massacre," Mohamad Ahmed, a rebel fighter in the city, said. "We know it will happen and Misrata will be like Zawiya, but we believe in God. We do not have the capabilities to fight Gaddafi and his forces. They have tanks and heavy weapons and we have our belief and trust in God.


    Gaddafi's army will kill half a million, warn rebels - News - Mail & Guardian Online
    <img src=http://C:\Documents and Settings\Wayne Smith\My Documents\002...My Pictures border=0 alt= />FEAR NAUGHT

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    Hey Wayne ,,,,, if your in trouble ,,and you need help , and if you can find them , then maybe you can hire , the ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,h,A,gue Team
    Haha, its been so looooong since i watched that

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    Quote Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
    'Bracing for massacre'
    "We are bracing for a massacre," Mohamad Ahmed, a rebel fighter in the city, said. "We know it will happen and Misrata will be like Zawiya, but we believe in God. We do not have the capabilities to fight Gaddafi's and his forces. They have tanks and heavy weapons and we have our belief and trust in God.


    Gaddafi's army will kill half a million, warn rebels - News - Mail & Guardian Online
    Sadly since the earthquake off Japan, Libya has disappeared off our screens and very few updates have been getting through. Gaddafi's forces will no doubt take full advantage of this and with the world looking at the disaster elsewhere it will not be beyond his ethics to kill half a million of his own people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Haha, its been so looooong since i watched that
    Mr T is still on British screens...as an enforcer for a chocolate bar ad'

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave lukins View Post
    Mr T is still on British screens...as an enforcer for a chocolate bar ad'
    Yea , snickers , but WTF did they use a Russian panzer for in the addy ??


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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    Yea , snickers , but WTF did they use a Russian panzer for in the addy ??
    Because we haven't got any left. Cameron has flogged them to the lowest bidder

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave lukins View Post
    Libya has disappeared off our screens and very few updates have been getting through.
    Not over here.

    Latest article by German paper Zeit, 8 hours ago:

    - loyalist troops took Brega after heavy combat
    - rebels withdrawing about 80 km east to Adjabija, last base before Benghazi (!)
    - loyalist troops also took smaller villages near Brega
    - massed artillery and air strikes used in that area
    - there is still combat going on around Misrata, still under rebel control (according to DW)
    - Khamis brigade in combat there (according to Al Arabiya)
    - some loyalist units have refused orders near Misrata (according to Al Arabiya)

    There are supposedly up to several thousand loyalist people in Benghazi, some of which have committed several partisan/terrorist attacks in the past week, among them:
    - bombing an ammo depot near the airport
    - bombing a hotel with Western journalists near the port area
    - shooting an Al Jazeera cameraman (dead) and reporter (injured)

    Fleet Movements (Marineforum, Mar 11/12):

    - Royal Navy possibly rerouting "Task Force Cougar" as "Response Force Task Group" - includes LPH Ocean, LPD Albion and FFG Sutherland
    - EU and NATO will monitor, but not enforce embargo (SNMG1 and SNMCMG1 likely to be used on NATO side)
    - French DDG Georges Leygues enroute to theater after repairs in Toulon (escort for Mistral)
    - Italian DDG Andrea Doria (a Horizon!) is stationed off Libyan coast and performing fleet AAW surveillance
    - US DDG Mason and SSN Providence (from Enterprise ESG) were moved through Suez on Friday
    Last edited by kato; 14 Mar 11, at 02:32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Not over here.

    Latest article by German paper Zeit, 8 hours ago:

    - loyalist troops took Brega after heavy combat
    - rebels withdrawing about 80 km east to Adjabija, last base before Benghazi (!)
    - loyalist troops also took smaller villages near Brega
    - massed artillery and air strikes used in that area
    - there is still combat going on around Misrata, still under rebel control (according to DW)
    - Khamis brigade in combat there (according to Al Arabiya)
    - some loyalist units have refused orders near Misrata (according to Al Arabiya)

    There are supposedly up to several thousand loyalist people in Benghazi, some of which have committed several partisan/terrorist attacks in the past week, among them:
    - bombing an ammo depot near the airport
    - bombing a hotel with Western journalists near the port area
    - shooting an Al Jazeera cameraman (dead) and reporter (injured)

    Fleet Movements (Marineforum, Mar 11/12):

    - Royal Navy possibly rerouting "Task Force Cougar" as "Response Force Task Group" - includes LPH Ocean, LPD Albion and FFG Sutherland
    - EU and NATO will monitor, but not enforce embargo (SNMG1 and SNMCMG1 likely to be used on NATO side)
    - French DDG Georges Leygues enroute to theater after repairs in Toulon (escort for Mistral)
    - Italian DDG Andrea Doria (a Horizon!) is stationed off Libyan coast and performing fleet AAW surveillance
    - US DDG Mason and SSN Providence (from Enterprise ESG) were moved through Suez on Friday
    thanks for updates kato. I think if oil flow resumes the prices get depressed significantly globally. My take on the issue is that Rebels may not be better than Qadaffi long term, I speak simply based on my opinion. My thoughts revolves around many uprisings starting from the gatherings in the mosques and the overall tribal nature of the movement (2/3 largest tribes basically Warfalla and Misruta against the the rest). My view is more along the lines of bedoins/tauregs/berbers/and small arab tribes against two/three major urban arab tribes.

    Rebels repel Gaddafi assault on Libya oil port - International Business Times
    Last edited by cyppok; 14 Mar 11, at 06:48.
    Originally from Sochi, Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyppok View Post
    My take on the issue is that Rebels may not be better than Qadaffi long term, I speak simply based on my opinion. My thoughts revolves around many uprisings starting from the gatherings in the mosques and the overall tribal nature of the movement (2/3 largest tribes basically Warfalla and Misruta against the the rest). My view is more along the lines of bedoins/tauregs/berbers/and small arab tribes against two/three major urban arab tribes.
    This implies necessarily, that the rebels have a gaddafi among them ?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyppok View Post
    I think your under the impression that they will go in and try to forcefully take it. My feeling is what they will do is set up a perimeter and pound it while making raids in and out until the city capitulates. Its similar to old style castle warfare. More focus on starving out the defenders in the castle(city) than taking it by force.
    Sure, but this castle also has access to a long coastline.

    How to stop the supplies coming in ?
    Last edited by Double Edge; 14 Mar 11, at 10:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
    Ya right DE,
    Right, but how to explain this ?

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