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  • #31
    TRIBAL forces have established control across Eastern Libya since the police forces abandoned their posts a week ago, according to migrant workers fleeing the country via Egypt in their thousands. A last ditch attempt by mercenaries flown in from Chad, Zimbabwe, and Guinea and gunmen firing from helicopters to re-establish Muammar Qaddhafi's hold left a bloody trail, but no change to the tribal takeover. The scale of the violence contrasts markedly with North Africa's largely peaceful uprisings.

    The uprising that is trying to reclaim Libya from the world's longest-ruling autocrat has also unleashed a wave of looting and destruction—much of it targeting foreign-managed projects, according to Egyptian, Turkish and British nationals, and some Libyans arriving in the Egyptian border crossing at Salloum. Underpinning much of the violence is anger at oil-rich Libya's transformation into a rentier state in which foreign companies won the prime government contracts and thousands of foreign workers from China, Egypt and Vietnam secured many jobs. Widespread killing by African mercenaries wearing orange construction hard-hats for helmets has further turned popular Libyan sentiment against foreigners.

    A Libyan construction worker arriving from Baida, the scene of the first uprising, blamed the damage on an outpouring of years of frustration at Mr Qaddhafi's foreign adventures and white elephant infrastructure projects while most Libyans lived on in poverty. Another worker from Baida circulated a mobile phone recording of the lynching of an African he said had been a mercenary who confessed to receiving $12,000 for each Libyan he shot. Others showed recordings of dead mutilated African bodies, and a Tunisian they claimed had worked with deposed Tunisian leader Ben Ali's republican guard.

    Migrant workers describe tribesmen descending on their compounds with guns and swords, demanding their car-keys at knifepoint, confiscating their belongings and torching their pre-fab bungalows. Armed tribesmen arrived with ten trucks to loot their project, including eighty computers, according to a British contractor working on an extension to Omar Mukhtar Unversity, in the eastern city of Darna. A Turkish contractor arriving from Tobruk also reported tens of millions of dollars in damage to sewage infrastructure. Finally the regime was investing in its people, said the British project manager, who watched looters torch his part of a $2.5 billion project to upgrade 25 universities.

    In their reclaimed towns, including Benghazi, the country's second city, the migrant workers report that Libyan youths cruise the streets in their stolen cars using heavy weapons and even tanks looted from army bases. Security bases and checkpoints have been torched, and emblems of the Qaddhafi regime torched. Video images showed the current Libyan flag, introduced in 1977, replaced with that which flew under King Idriss, whom Qaddhafi overthrew in 1969. It has an Islamic crescent and star in its centre. Graffiti on a court-room celebrates the downfall of "the unbeliever" Mr Gaddhafi.

    Egyptian workers arriving from Benghazi said the youths had formed popular committees to restore order, likening the situation to Egyptian groups which filled the vacuum after its police force abandoned their posts after the uprising there. But others spoke of violence. An Egyptian accountant working in Tobruk said youths wielding swords had taken his company's bulldozers to capture arms from army arsenals. Hundreds of new Hyundai cars have disappeared from Darna port's storage depot, and container ships docked in the harbour set on fire.

    With scant support from their embassies hundreds of kilometres away in the capital, Tripoli, thousands of migrants are fleeing by road after receiving warnings from Libyan opposition groups to leave. Thousands more including Turks and Vietnamese are reportedly trapped near Benghazi airport waiting for planes to ferry them out.

    To prevent a spillover of unrest, Egyptian forces are reportedly reinforcing their border. Egyptian eyewitnesses said tanks were heading west from bases at Sidi Barrani, 80 kilometres from the Libyan border. Some Egyptians called on their troops to push west in a bid end further bloodshed. The last Libyan security forces at the Salloum crossing reportedly abandoned their posts on Monday night. Until then, travellers said a reduced Libyan border guard had insisted on stamping passports of fleeing foreigners.
    Libya's uprising: Time to leave | The Economist

    Once again, The Economist has done a spectacular job by reporting both sides rather than the typical they're democracy activists so they must be COMPLETELY good story.

    There's definitely a undercurrent of racism here and I hope every foreign national gets out safely.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by random_reader View Post
      There's definitely a undercurrent of racism here and I hope every foreign national gets out safely.
      Interesting report, puts a different perspective on what sparked it off compared to Egypt or Tunisia.

      Oh and its not rascism, its just rivalry :)

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      • #33
        Stratfor's latest dispatch says that in addition to losing the eastern half of the country to tribal control, they're hearing a group of army officers that were with Gaddafi in 1969 are planning a coup to oust him from control, and that they're currently lobbying the UN Security Council to implement a no-fly zone over Libya enforced by the U.S. so that Gaddafi can't use Air Force units still loyal to him against them as they head to Tripoli.

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        • #34
          Notice the dictators we support didn't use much force to crackdown on the protesters. The guy we don't support, bombed his own people.

          US should stay out of this mess. Let them sort it out and we'll deal with the winners.
          "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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          • #35
            Interesting that they are flying the royalist banner.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Skywatcher View Post
              Interesting that they are flying the royalist banner.
              It may not have any more significance than being a national flag other than the current one. I recall during the Romanian revolution people waving flags with the communist crest in the middle cut out - looked sorta weird, but conveyed the message clearly enough.
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              • #37
                Now this amounts to something

                Libyan interior minister joins rebellion: Al-Jazeera - Hindustan Times

                Looks like the official machinery is crumbling and Gadaffi would go.
                But how much blood would flow before that?
                Keyboard is mightier than gun

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                • #38
                  Hmmmmmmmmmmmm tin hats going on huh .??? If its true the Bliar and co , should rue the day they climbed into bed with him along with BP , GADDAFI SHOULD NOW BE TRIED(or just topped ) AND MAGGRAHI REINSTATED BACK TO ROT




                  Muammar Gaddafi personally ordered the Lockerbie bombing that killed 270 people in 1988, Libya's former justice minister has claimed.

                  Swedish newspaper Expressen said Mustafa Abdel-Jalil told its correspondent in Libya: "I have proof that Gaddafi gave the order about Lockerbie."

                  The comments were translated from Arabic to Swedish.

                  Mr Abdel-Jalil stepped down as justice minister in protest against the violence against anti-government demonstrations.

                  Mr Abdel-Jalil did not describe the proof allegedly in his possession.

                  He told Expressen that Colonel Gaddafi gave the order to Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, the only man convicted in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, which killed all 259 people on board and 11 on the ground.

                  "To hide it, he (Gaddafi) did everything in his power to get al-Megrahi back from Scotland," Mr Abdel-Jalil said.

                  Megrahi was granted a compassionate release from a Scottish prison in August 2009 on the grounds that he was suffering from prostate cancer and would die soon.

                  He is still alive.

                  The Expressen said its reporter, Kassem Hamade, interviewed the ex-justice minister at "a local parliament in a large city in Libya"
                  Last edited by tankie; 23 Feb 11,, 19:40.

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                  • #39
                    No surprises huh , let the dumbarse taxpayers foot the freakin bill AGAIN


                    The political uncertainty gripping many of the world's top oil producing nations is set to deliver a shock to UK drivers "within days".

                    That is according to the AA, which believes increases in the cost of oil as a result of the unrest in Libya will shortly be passed on by retailers at the petrol pump.

                    It has traditionally taken weeks for such oil price increases to reach petrol stations.

                    As it stands, the average price for a litre of unleaded is 128.9 pence, with diesel 134.3 pence

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                    • #40
                      Speaking of Al-Megrahi, last I heard he was residing in Tripoli, which is smack in the middle of everything in Libya. Hopefully he gets what's coming to him in the chaos. But most importantly, if this former justice minister has the proof he claims he has then more than just a few heads can be brought in to justice, after all, Al-Megrahi couldn't be the only man part of the operation.

                      I suspect by the time all is said and done, all the skeletons in Mr. Gaddafi's closet will be out.
                      Everybody sing this song, DooDah, DooDah

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                      • #41
                        BP


                        The Scottish Government says that it "never doubted" the safety of the conviction of the Lockerbie bomber following reports that Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi ordered the attack.

                        Terminally-ill Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was freed from prison in Scotland and allowed to return to Libya on compassionate grounds in August 2009.

                        He is the only man to have been convicted of the bombing of Pan Am flight 103 on December 21, 1988, which killed 270 people.

                        A Swedish newspaper has reported that Col Gaddafi had personally ordered the bombing.

                        The Expressen said Libya's former justice secretary, Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, told their correspondent in Libya: "I have proof that Gaddafi gave the order about Lockerbie.

                        "To hide it, he did everything in his power to get Megrahi back from Scotland."

                        The comments in the paper were translated from Arabic to Swedish.

                        Mr Abdel-Jalil stepped down as justice minister in protest at the violence against anti-government demonstrators in Libya.

                        A statement in response from the Scottish Government, which made the decision to release of Megrahi on compassionate grounds, said: "Ministers have never doubted the safety of the conviction."

                        An official report published earlier this month said the former UK government did "all it could" to help Libya secure Megrahi's release

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by tankie View Post
                          No surprises huh , let the dumbarse taxpayers foot the freakin bill AGAIN


                          The political uncertainty gripping many of the world's top oil producing nations is set to deliver a shock to UK drivers "within days".

                          That is according to the AA, which believes increases in the cost of oil as a result of the unrest in Libya will shortly be passed on by retailers at the petrol pump.

                          It has traditionally taken weeks for such oil price increases to reach petrol stations.

                          As it stands, the average price for a litre of unleaded is 128.9 pence, with diesel 134.3 pence
                          Hmm, i'm sceptical about this 'within days' business. Though I imagine retailers are going to be very tempted to make a quick buck. Any watchdogs you can complain to if that happens ? or drive to another petrol bunk thats cheaper.

                          Your source also mentions..

                          Should it reach a record $150 a barrel, as some experts claim could happen if the unrest spreads, a litre of unleaded would likely rise above 140p.
                          How much is it currently ? almost $110, will take some serious turmoil to reach $150

                          It is estimated that Libya's daily output of 1.6 million barrels has already been reduced at least by 20% because of the uncertainty there.
                          Just 20%

                          One of the largest tribes in Eastern Libya has threatened to cut off exports from the port of Banghazi unless the violence against pro-democracy protesters stops.

                          Another tribe, based south of the capital Tripoli, has also turned against Colonel Gadaffi's regime.
                          Do all of Libya's exports go through Benghazi ?

                          If so the rebels have a good chance of winning this one. Otherwise not.

                          Saudi Arabia has said that it could produce an extra 4 million barrels a day to make up any lost capacity and help keep prices stable.
                          Should they decide to.

                          But the biggest fear is that the turmoil could spread across the Middle East and North Africa, which together produce a third of the world's oil.
                          A fear, not expecting the Saudi's to fall just yet.

                          However, both have agreed that freezing April's planned fuel duty increase will serve the best interests of the UK economy.
                          Oh what a postive note to end that report :)

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                          • #43
                            no fly-zone

                            This would be really different though, then Kosovo. There it was Europe, and Europe was heavily involved. Here, it's Africa. And, we'll, not sure the UN would commit and neither Europe will feel obliged. How easily it could be too send one carrier group, and implement with a no-fly zone with those Hornets. Guaranteed. No civilian bombings would occur. And nothing would get up in the air.

                            Secondly, if we receive large reports of Americans casualties. Gaddaffi should get a cruise missile, in a moment of minutes. Yes, no tip off from Italy, or Malta, no need for airspace approval or basing rights. Nope. Just Los Angeles class, or Burke, getting the go ahead from the POTUS. The amount of time? what? under 10 minutes? after ferried...
                            Last edited by Dago; 23 Feb 11,, 23:03.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                              Notice the dictators we support didn't use much force to crackdown on the protesters. The guy we don't support, bombed his own people.
                              Which makes me suspect something was said behind closed doors in Mubarak's case. Can't prove it yet though.

                              Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                              US should stay out of this mess. Let them sort it out and we'll deal with the winners.
                              what what what, just think about all that oil. For once, do it 'for the oil'

                              How many american oil companies in Libya ?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Dago View Post
                                no fly-zone

                                This would be really different though, then Kosovo. There it was Europe, and Europe was heavily involved. Here, it's Africa. And, we'll, not sure the UN would commit and neither Europe will feel obliged.
                                Which makes me incredibly annoyed.

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