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Last edited by Dreadnought; 02 Feb 11,, 05:54.Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
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You may have noticed that on Page 177 of my book is the list of Gun Damage Assessment. Thanks go to one of our WAB members who posted that just before I was preparing the book for publishing. It settled a lot of negative comments from other people that didn't think she was of much help.Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.
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Originally posted by Archdude View PostField: USS Washington (BB-56)
Question: Was film of the USS Washington firing its 16 inch guns used in the Guadalcanal episode of Victory at Sea? If so, when was the film shot?
PS: Quite impressive video!
From what I can see, the end of Vol.6 appears to be a conglomerate of the night battles of Savo Island. The footage ofcoarse depicts US and Japanese battleships and flashes of US cruisers. Since there were only two US BB's in the area for these battles (Washington and South Dakota) it has to be one or the other since North Carolina was with the carriers at the time. There is not enough detail to tell which ship it is since you can only see flashes when the guns go off and an American Flag on the stern. As far as the date of the footage...approximately mid November 1942. There are shots of Washington firing during the night at close range but you can't be certain this matches Victory at Sea's footage.
Washington firing at close range during this time period.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/015617.jpgLast edited by Dreadnought; 07 Feb 11,, 22:13.Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
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Well, believe it or not, its finally happened. This time I'M the one that needs some expert advice.
The biggest "gun" I've ever fired was the M-2 .50 caliber machine gun and the biggest "cannon" I ever fired was a 76mm from an M-41 tank.
I have seen the 16"/50's fill the air with smoke and shards of silk bags and been pushed around a bit by their overpressure (muzzle blast). I have done some design work on the turrets, the most extensive was relocating the positive stops in Turret III to prevent the barrels from hitting the Boat Handling Boom on the port side or the FAS kingpost on the stbd side. I have been up and down them on all four Iowa's, around them, checking this "structural" item out or measuring something up that requires steel workers. But the complex mechanisms in the turrets of motors, hydraulic pumps, switches, hoists, safety interlocks, etc. were too much for me to try to learn and still get my regular job done.
I have three very, very thick manuals on those turrets about 3 feet above my receding hairline. But much of the nomenclature of the various mechanisms are better understood by electricians or machinists that were GM's in those turrets.
For a project I'm thinking about (building a cut-away or plexiglass model of a turret), I really need a real savvy GM to help decipher some of this stuff. But preferably I would like to have somebody who is somewhat local to me in the Southern California area.
So if any of you WABBERS are that qualified or know somebody who is and is within driving distance of north Long Beach, I would appreciate any leads you can give me.Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.
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Over in the Fletcher thread, Dreadnought posted this link to a picture of the NJ. The topic was the bridge structure but can someone explain the rope or chain coming down from the foreward-most hawse pipe. I know they have paravanes on the battleships, but all the guys look like they are in dress whites, not working, and the ship is underway with a tug following. Supposedly the picture is from the Philly Navy Yard collection.
http://navsource.org/archives/01/062/016219w.jpg
Fletcher thread link....http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/nav...tml#post789188
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Question about the umbrella's
Washington firing at close range during this time period.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/015617.jpg[/QUOTE]
What are the unfurled umbrella looking devices between the forward anti aircraft guns abd the anchor chain on the bow?
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Originally posted by blidgepump View PostWashington firing at close range during this time period.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/015617.jpg
What you see on the main deck appear to be a few of Washingtons 20 mm Orlikon mounts and ready sevice ammo lockers that are covered. The horse shoe looking plate is the armor plating for the gunner protection. The guns are in the mounts and facing straight upwards.
This is a pic of Washington the morning after the night battle of Savo. If you look at her bow number (56) above it on the main deck under the canvas is a 20 mm Orlikon They also ran along the rail abreast of turret #2. She was fitted with 20mm mounts and ready lockers during overhaul in NYC.
http://navsource.org/archives/01/056/015673b.jpg
If that is what you are looking at?Last edited by Dreadnought; 17 Feb 11,, 06:48.Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
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Originally posted by Ken_NJ View PostOver in the Fletcher thread, Dreadnought posted this link to a picture of the NJ. The topic was the bridge structure but can someone explain the rope or chain coming down from the foreward-most hawse pipe. I know they have paravanes on the battleships, but all the guys look like they are in dress whites, not working, and the ship is underway with a tug following. Supposedly the picture is from the Philly Navy Yard collection.
http://navsource.org/archives/01/062/016219w.jpg
Fletcher thread link....http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/nav...tml#post789188
The Bull Nose "eye" is a large steel casting and it does have a down slope as it exits the hull. It's primary use is for a single leg tow chain. In the photo, the line appears to be a temporary tow wire that had been released from the main tug. The photo is hard to see but it appears to be secured to the forward most towing padeye just off ship's centerline.
It's secondary use was indeed for running the paravane line down through the paravane eye on the forefoot skeg. The paravane chain run down through the forefoot behind the eye through a steel pipe. Iowa and New Jersey used 7" IPS pipe but Missouri and Wisconsin used 8" IPS as odd numbered pipe sizes from 7" on up were discarded.
Yeah. I'm trying to sell another book as you can tell by my indiscrete jargon of paravane eye and forefoot skeg and IPS pipe. See the pictures on pages 204 & 205.
Besides, it's just too late tonight to go into full detail as it would be quite volumous and also would require drawings and photos.
And I need to get to bed as I have to go to a funeral tomorrow morning of another LBNSY worker who was also a very good friend.Last edited by RustyBattleship; 17 Feb 11,, 07:39.Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.
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Yes, that is what I observed..
Originally posted by Dreadnought View PostWhat are the unfurled umbrella looking devices between the forward anti aircraft guns abd the anchor chain on the bow?
What you see on the main deck appear to be a few of Washingtons 20 mm Orlikon mounts and ready sevice ammo lockers that are covered. The horse shoe looking plate is the armor plating for the gunner protection. The guns are in the mounts and facing straight upwards.
This is a pic of Washington the morning after the night battle of Savo. If you look at her bow number (56) above it on the main deck under the canvas is a 20 mm Orlikon They also ran along the rail abreast of turret #2. She was fitted with 20mm mounts and ready lockers during overhaul in NYC.
http://navsource.org/archives/01/056/015673b.jpg
If that is what you are looking at?
That is what I observed in the navsource imagine. Thanks.
The illumination of the fire from the 16-inch rifle created a very special picture.
Looking at the Washington's design the multiple 20-mm can be noted lining the rail.
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Originally posted by blidgepump View PostDread,
That is what I observed in the navsource imagine. Thanks.
The illumination of the fire from the 16-inch rifle created a very special picture.
Looking at the Washington's design the multiple 20-mm can be noted lining the rail.Last edited by Dreadnought; 21 Feb 11,, 21:22.Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
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What was the first ship design that incorporated Superfiring? Was it a part of a the Dreadnought or the Battleship/Battlecruiser age? Was the concept around before the ship designs were actually drawn up?Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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From what I've read, it was the French pre dreadnought Battleship Henri IV.
For the Americans the first ship to use that layou wsa the monitor USS Florida (testbed). The first ships to incorporate it in the design was the South Carolina class in 1908.
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Most sources list Henri V (1902) as the first super firing turret warship, the British Neptune (1911) was their first. The French tested the safety of the arrangement by putting sheep in the lower turret and firing the upper turret guns on Henri V, some of the sheep died. Later they figured out that open sighting hoods on the lower turret - under the muzzles of the upper turret was a bad idea. The US put the hoods on the sides of the turrets the South Carolina, solving the problem.
The French Navy: Big, Bad Battleships' Picture History, 1850-1916
USS Michigan, sister of South Carolina. Note the sighting hoods mounted low on the sides of the turretsLast edited by USSWisconsin; 03 Mar 11,, 16:09.sigpic"If your plan is for one year, plant rice. If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
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