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    Quote Originally Posted by Frediter View Post
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    Here is a question, does anyone know what happened to the 5" turrets that were removed from the four Iowa class Battleships when they were reactivated? were any saved or repurposed? Perhaps they are sitting in a warehouse somewhere>
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    They were probably shipped to Crane, IN. I'd be really surprised if they still exist now. The Navy did a big purge of battleship parts years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frediter View Post
    Hello All,

    I'm new here just signed up..
    Here is a question, does anyone know what happened to the 5" turrets that were removed from the four Iowa class Battleships when they were reactivated? were any saved or repurposed? Perhaps they are sitting in a warehouse somewhere>
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    They all went to Crane, Indiana that has acres of old artillery and artillery parts. By the way, each 5"/38 mount with barrels, armor shield, roller path and center "king post" with all its wiring weighed 85 tons each. We left the upper handling rooms in place, welded 1 1/2" thick HY-80 armor over the gun foundations and turned them into Tomahawk equipment rooms. Well, 3 of them anyway. The fourth was turned into a deck gear "locker". Yeah. A "locker" for brooms, mops swab buckets, etc. with 2 1/2-inch thick Special Treated Steel (Class B) armored bulkheads.

    Well, no biggie for weight. I still led the design of adding an extra 400 tons of HY-80 armor ABOVE the main deck for Tomahawks, Elex spaces, CEC, etc.

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    Have you all seen the articles about the Navy possibly reactivating some ships from the mothball fleet? They're talking about how difficult it would be to modernize Perry class frigates that were decommed less than 5 years ago, and how the Ticonderogas sitting in Philly would be harder still, and how the Kitty Hawk (retired in 2009) would be nearly impossible.

    I guess that kills any lingering fantasies of the BB's coming back, even though Trump did call for recomissioning when he gave his speech on the Iowa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmorPiercing88 View Post
    Have you all seen the articles about the Navy possibly reactivating some ships from the mothball fleet? They're talking about how difficult it would be to modernize Perry class frigates that were decommed less than 5 years ago, and how the Ticonderogas sitting in Philly would be harder still, and how the Kitty Hawk (retired in 2009) would be nearly impossible.

    I guess that kills any lingering fantasies of the BB's coming back, even though Trump did call for recomissioning when he gave his speech on the Iowa.
    Yes, I think we can all forget about the BB's ever coming back. The Kitty Hawk won't be coming back, it just wouldn't make any sense. The Perry's might have a slim chance of a limited return, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's not like it used to be. In the 80's bringing a ship up to date wasn't like it is today. The expense to do anything like that today is overwhelmingly prohibitive. Today it's better to build new from scratch then try to bring older ships up to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmorPiercing88 View Post
    Have you all seen the articles about the Navy possibly reactivating some ships from the mothball fleet? They're talking about how difficult it would be to modernize Perry class frigates that were decommed less than 5 years ago, and how the Ticonderogas sitting in Philly would be harder still, and how the Kitty Hawk (retired in 2009) would be nearly impossible.

    I guess that kills any lingering fantasies of the BB's coming back, even though Trump did call for recomissioning when he gave his speech on the Iowa.
    One of the big reasons they say the Kittyhawk and the other ships you mentioned would be hard to bring back is parts. They've been scavenged for parts while they sat. And Kittyhawk is reputed to have been a floating junkpile WHILE she was still in service, much less now.

    There are only 4 Iowas. Nobody's been robbing them constantly all this time to keep other ships running. They didn't put 2 out of service and use them to keep the other 2 running a few more years. The older BB's that are museums....they were scavenged for years, even by other ships. But I would think that the Iowas are almost 100% intact, at least all the running gear and ship systems. Obviously the CIWS, missiles...stuff like that isn't there, but all that equipment would be part of the job is they were to be reactivated anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacfanweb View Post
    But I would think that the Iowas are almost 100% intact, at least all the running gear and ship systems. Obviously the CIWS, missiles...stuff like that isn't there, but all that equipment would be part of the job is they were to be reactivated anyway.
    That statement is not quite true - NEW JERSEY has had Turret 2 barbette altered by physically removing portions of the circular projectile handling areas below the turret in order to provide a space for visitors to see the loading procedures for the turret. This has permanently altered the integrity of these spaces rendering (for all intents and purposes) the turret useless. In addition, IOWA has never had her Turret 2 rebuilt after the 1989 turret explosion.

    The other limiting factor in any recomm of IOWAs is the simple fact that very few experienced crewmen are available today to man these ships. We were lucky in 1967-68 to be able to find without any trouble IOWA class veterans from the mid-50s who were either still in the Navy or were willing to re-enlist. That was a bit harder in the '80s for recomm of all 4 IOWAs and I dare say now would be quite difficult.

    While the museum alterations are probably reversible (plumbing/elec/HVAC etc) the turret conditions (mentioned above) are not. Theoretically speaking, I could only slightly see IOWA or WISCONSIN being even remotely considered for reactivation, in spite of IOWAs Turret 2 condition. NEW JERSEY would require major machinery overhaul in addition to her Turret 2 conditions. I doubt MISSOURI would be considered as her political position in Pearl Harbor outweighs any usefulness at this point.

    Just an opinion, nothing more. I seriously doubt any IOWAs will ever taste blue water again.

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