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    Rusty Battleship wrote:
    I'm also running low on happiness because not a single copy of my book has been sold this month. Hope just one sells before next Tuesday and I can count it as a birthday present for my 80th year on this planet. But if one doesn't sell, well, I have a back up plan
    Dick,

    Over on The Ship Model Forum I've been pushing "The Book" whenever I can in any thread/topic that it would be more than appropriate for the participants to read. At the moment that's two separate threads dealing with battleship models, etc. However, to be honest, the more enlightened battleship enthusiasts (both educationally and historically) appear to be members of this forum. We do have several modeler/writer/historians that are some of the more knowledgeable members, but also some younger members who seem to think that Wikipedia is the only source of reference and anyone whose actually served on a BB, etc. is out of touch.

    Whether I've been successful or not is something I'll probably never know, but that doesn't deter me in the least!

    Hope Mrs. L. is on the mend and I'm glad you brought up the AMEX/Costco item - I had forgotten about that - perhaps a sticky on the dashboard to remind me to pay cash!!

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    Thank you very much. But I've slowly (too slowly) been working on Revision "B". But I also need a younger person who is more computer oriented than I am. Most of the slow pace I have to blame on Microsoft. Whenever I type a paragraph or transfer a picture --- this tiny blue donut pops up and goes around and around and around and --- I have now idea what the darn thing is doing but waste my time and patience.

    Oh as for Julia, she's up in Santa Fe Springs with our daughter and four grandchildren.
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    [Dick,

    Well, if I'm correct (and - we've both acquired newer, refurb'd Dells with Windows 10 in the last couple months) - the blue circular "donut" is the symbol for "I'm processing" or something like that. NOt knowing anything else about your computer setup, I'm not sure why this is occurring during those two particular operations. Usually, that should be rather quick. Wish I could help you on that...it IS frustrating, to say the least.

    To catch you up, here are a few photos of the NEW JERSEY superstructure just before I put it in the closet to start on the hull work:
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    Later,

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    What is this?

    Does anyone know what this is of? I got a copy of this at NARA but see no ID and can't match it up to something on the IOWAs.


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    Big Jim,

    It might help if you post the OTHER half of the drawing!!! It looks like there's more to it than what shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigjimslade View Post
    Does anyone know what this is of? I got a copy of this at NARA but see no ID and can't match it up to something on the IOWAs.

    I probably should not answer this because I am far from an expert on the subject matter, but that aside the drawing states that it is a "MODEL D-16 SLIDING PADEYE", 24 feet tall, located on and above the main deck at Frame 149. Notice also in the upper left corner of the drawing there is a detail of the rigging instruction plate mounted to the lower framework of the sliding padeye, showing how a 1.25 inch wire rope pendant should be attached.

    The sliding padeye in the following picture (Google found it) might not be the same as Model D-16, but is a similar device. My limited understanding is that it is used for underway replenishment. And I suspect that might be the "HELO CONTROL STATION PLATFORM" visible behind the item, but also am not at all sure about that.


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    Here is another sliding padeye:

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT View Post
    I probably should not answer this because I am far from an expert on the subject matter, but that aside the drawing states that it is a "MODEL D-16 SLIDING PADEYE", 24 feet tall, located on and above the main deck at Frame 149.

    The sliding padeye in the following picture (Google found it) might not be the same as Model D-16, but is a similar device. My limited understanding is that it is used for underway replenishment. And I suspect that might be the "HELO CONTROL STATION PLATFORM" visible behind the item, but also am not at all sure about that.

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    Here is another sliding padeye:

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    You are right on the money with the Sliding Padeye. It saved hundreds of hours Replenishing at Sea and solved many problems we had with other receiving systems.

    BUT, we never installed any on a Battleship. The turret you see in your first photo is probably the USS Salem. Your second photo I think was taken either at Port Hueneme, CA or at the Replenishment test center in Colt's Neck, NJ. The angled kingpost on the right WAS installed on all four Iowas for Refueling at Sea to replenish their escort ships.
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    It sounds, then, like something that was considered but never implemented on the Iowas.

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    Sure hate to disagree with anyone, but the following photo of BB-64 in Norfolk may solve the question:

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    This also was a Google search. Don't see this on the other 3 IOWAs.

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    It's definitely not on the NJ. It looks like that's a distinguishing identification feature.
    The NJ also does not have railings around connection between the kingpost and the O1 level.

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    bjs,

    This IS a photo of WISCONSIN, not one of the other IOWAs!!! I've asked the resident staff volunteer on WISCONSIN over on Model Ship Forum to see what he can find out about the equipment. He also has a photo in his album taken in May 2007 that shows this equipment as installed. Actually, I think the photo I posted from Google was originally his photo. Wonder how THAT happened?

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    I cannot find this detail on any of the others. It must be WI-only thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbvet View Post
    Sure hate to disagree with anyone, but the following photo of BB-64 in Norfolk may solve the question:

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    This also was a Google search. Don't see this on the other 3 IOWAs.

    Hank
    You got me. I should have expected that. I only had a 6 day inspection of "Wisky" when she was in dry dock in Philadelphia. Though I was selected as the Party Chief, I didn't stand around peering over the shoulders of the other engineers from LBNSY. I have a photo of me climbing the mast of the ship named after my home State on my birthday.

    But BB-64 had a few things added to her that were to be added to her other sisters. For example, She has four out-of-the-weather vestibules for access to the 04 level bridge. But no sketches or plans were available so I had to measure and sketch them up myself.

    Also on the Pan Deck of all three turrets a deluge tank was also installed to be half filled with water to dump any smoldering propellant bag into. I had to sketch up the location each tank was on in all three turrets. Getting into Turret III would have made me pass by the Sliding Padeye --- IF it was already there. I definitely would have had the ships photographer take photos of it and I would have sketched up its location. So I have to assume that they were added on later.

    Or, it is also possible she had only the one on the Starboard side and as I approached Turret III from the Port side and would not have noticed the unit. I know I approached from the port side because I had the ship's photographer take a photo of the boat handling boom Winch that I cannibalized off the Chicago.(see page 212 of my "yellow" book that shows the Winch.

    Therefor I stand corrected. Actually I'm sitting down, but you get the idea.
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    My information wish list

    Folks, this is my current wish list for Iowa class information to complete the computer model. It may seem like a long list but it is very short compared with what I started out with. Would anyone be interested in information sharing? I have over 1,600 photos of blueprints and microfilm. I also have a table of offsets in Excel as well as many other measurements.

    Any help on this wish list would be appreciated:
    • Heights of MK-37 Director Bases
    • Measurements for MK-37 Directors
    • Measurements for boat davits
    • Measurements for Armored Box Launchers
    • Measurements for Phalanx Guns
    • Measurements for Harpoon Launchers
    • Measurements for Stacks
    • Measurements for the NJ’s EW platforms on the main director tower (Have for MO/WI/IA)
    • Photo references showing the area behind the helicopter control booth (Plans show 6" between the back and the director tower. What is between? A gap? Filler?)
    • Photo references showing the area at the forward edge of the forward phalanx Platform (Plans show a circular step but I see nothing like that in distance photos)
    • Photo reference showing how the forward phalanx platform is supported.
    • Measurements of the hoods and periscopes on the 16 inch turrets (especially the range finder hoods).
    • Measurement for the bulwark on the NJ (Have for IA and WI)
    • Measurements of the Nixie Bolster.
    • Measurements of the Discone platform.
    • Measurements of antennas and platforms (e.g., those above the bridge and forward of the Tomahawk platform).
    • Measurements of the Roller Chock
    • Photoreference showing the bow chock as it meets the hull shell.
    • Measurements of the breakwater
    • Measurements of the “projection booth” at the stern.
    • Measurements of the SLQ-32
    • Measurements of the Bulwark around the boats on the NJ (or others)

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    Question about all of the Iowa museums:

    Can the main turrets be traversed/rotated? I know it'd probably have to be done manually, but is it possible? They aren't disabled in any way, are they?

    What got me wondering was the Missouri's recent activities for the anniversary of the surrender. At the actual surrender, both forward turrets were turned to starboard a bit. I thought that'd be pretty neat if they replicated that for the commemoration. Didn't know if they could, though.

    Since the agreement with the Navy states that they have to be kept in the same condition they were received in, I'd think this would be possible.

    What does anyone (probably Rusty would be the most likely) know about this?

    Thanks

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