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Originally posted by Aranthus View PostMy understanding was that American carrier air groups in the 60's through 80's were between 90 and 100 planes. Two fighter squadrons, two light attack, one heavy attack, an S-3 squadron and supporting ECM, AEW, tanker, etc. Now, it seems as if the CAG is down to about 80-90 planes, with only one fighter squadron. Why is this? Is it due to the growth in the size and capability of aircraft? Cost cutting? Some other reason?
Its more capable so there isn't the need for as many aircraft.
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What US Navy ship has the most Battle Stars?
Not the most decorated ship. Thats USS Parche.
Is there a list on the internet for reference?
I know that USS Enterprise was awarded the most in WW2. 20 out of a possible 22.
The most I've found post WW2, that also included WW2 service was USS Nicholas, DD-449. ( A Fletcher) With a total of 30
She earned 16 in WW2, 5 in Korea and 9 in Vietnam.Last edited by Gun Grape; 08 Feb 12,, 00:07.
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View PostWhat US Navy ship has the most Battle Stars?
Not the most decorated ship. Thats USS Parche.
Is there a list on the internet for reference?
I know that USS Enterprise was awarded the most in WW2. 20 out of a possible 22.
The most I've found post WW2, that also included WW2 service was USS Nicholas, DD-449. ( A Fletcher) With a total of 30
She earned 16 in WW2, 5 in Korea and 9 in Vietnam.
Battle Record of the USS New Jersey
Awards and Decorations
First Row: Combat Action Ribbon and Navy Unit Commendation with Bronze Star
Second Row: Navy "E" Ribbon, Navy Expeditionary Medal, China Service Medal
Third Row: American Campaign Medal, Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal with 1 Silver and 4 Bronze Stars, World War II Victory Medal
Fourth Row: Navy Occupation Service Medal, National Defense Service Medal with 1 Bronze Star, Korean Service Medal with 4 Bronze Stars
Fifth Row: Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, Vietnam Service Medal with 3 Bronze Stars, Sea Service Deployment Ribbon
Sixth Row: Philippine Presidential Unit Citation, Korean Presidential Unit Citation, Republic of Vietnam Meritorious Unit Commendation (Gallantry Cross Medal Color with Palm)
Seventh Row: Philippine Liberation Medal, United Nations Service Medal, Republic of Vietnam Campaign MedalAble to leap tall tales in a single groan.
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Doesn't come close.
If it has been a BB like North Carolina, that went on and did the same tours that NJ did after, then it might have been in the running.
Even with all her post WW2 activity. She still has fewer battle Stars than USS Enterprise (CV-6)Last edited by Gun Grape; 13 Feb 12,, 00:06.
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Originally posted by Aranthus View PostMy understanding was that American carrier air groups in the 60's through 80's were between 90 and 100 planes. Two fighter squadrons, two light attack, one heavy attack, an S-3 squadron and supporting ECM, AEW, tanker, etc. Now, it seems as if the CAG is down to about 80-90 planes, with only one fighter squadron. Why is this? Is it due to the growth in the size and capability of aircraft? Cost cutting? Some other reason?
As it turns out (and was already mentioned) aircraft and their ordnance are far more advanced and capable, so the numbers aren't quite as important as they used to be.
Ironically the smaller numbers of aircraft mean a relatively easier time of it for the deck and hanger crews...more room to move around.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View PostDoesn't come close.
If it has been a BB like North Carolina, that went on and did the same tours that NJ did after, then it might have been in the running.
Even with all her post WW2 activity. She still has fewer battle Stars that USS Enterprise (CV-6)
Agreed, USS Enterprise was already awarded 9 Battle stars even before the USS New Jersey joined the Pacific fleet in early Jan 1944. Her first came between Dec 7th-Dec-10th 1941 for Anti-Submarine Action.
These are USS Enterprises actions for 20 battle stars.
1.Pearl Harbor
Anti-Submarine Action, Class B Assessment (December 7-10, 1941)
2.Pacific Raids
Marshall-Gilbert Islands (February 1, 1942)
Wake Island (February 24, 1942)
Marcus Island (March 4, 1942)
3.Battle of Midway (June 4-6, 1942)
4.Battle of Guadalcanal
Invasion by USMC 1st Division (August 7-9, 1942)
5.Capture and Defense of Guadalcanal (August 10-25, 1942)
6.Battle of the Eastern Solomons (August 24, 1942)
7.Battle of Santa Cruz (October 26, 1942)
8.Naval Battle of Guadalcanal (November 13-15, 1942)
9.Battle of Rennell Island (January 29-30, 1943)
10.Gilbert Islands Operations
Invasion of Makin Island (November 19 - December 4, 1943)
11.Marshall Islands Operations
Invasion of Kwajalein (January 28 - February 8, 1944)
Maloelap/Taroa Raid
12.Asiatic-Pacific Raids
Truk Islands (February 16-17, 1944) Palau, Yap, Ulithi, Woleai (March 30 - April 1, 1944) Truk Islands (April 29 - May 1, 1944)
13.Hollandia (New Guinea) Operations (April 21-24, 1944)
Invasion (April 22, 1944)
14. Mariana Islands Operations
Capture and Occupation of Saipan (June 11-24, 1944)
Mariana Turkey Shoot (June 19, 1944)
First Battle of the Philippine Sea (June 20, 1944)
"The night they turned on the lights" (June 20, 1944)
15. Western Pacific Operations
Raids on Bonin Islands, Chichi Jima (August 31 - September 2, 1944)
Raid on Caroline Islands, Yap (September 6, 1944)
Raid on Palau Islands (September 10-16, 1944)
Invasion and Capture of Peleliu (September 16, 1944)
Raid on Okinawa (October 10, 1944)
Raid on Formosa (October 12, 1944)
Raid on Manila (October 15-18, 1944
16. Invasion of Leyte Island/3rd Fleet Operations
Luzon Attacks (October 15 and 17-19, 1944)
Battle of Leyte Gulf (October 24-26, 1944)
17.Luzon Operations
Invasion of Luzon (January 6-7, 1945)
Formosa Raids (January 3, 4, 9, 15, 1945)
South China Sea Attacks (January 12-16, 1945)
18. Night Carrier Group 90/5th Fleet Raids
Tokyo and Honshu Raids (February 15-16, 1945)
19. Assault and Occupation of Iwo Jima (February 23 - March 12, 1945)
20.Okinawa Operations
Pre-Invasion Raids on Kyushu (March 18-20, 1945)
Invasion and Capture of Okinawa (April 7 - May 15, 1945)
Kyushu and Shikoku Raids (May 11-16, 1945)
Battle Stars
USS New Jersey did not recieve her first Battle star until the Marshall Islands campaign. Jan-March 1944.
USS New Jersey's Battle stars and citations.
http://www.ussnewjersey.com/hist_awd.htmLast edited by Dreadnought; 13 Feb 12,, 00:04.Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
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Originally posted by RustyBattleship View PostI don't disagree with the Enterprise. Admiral Halsey spent his last days trying to save the ship from the scrappers. It's really a shame too.
But I had to put in the New Jersey just because I'm slightly biased toward Battleships.
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A little know fact about Halsey. Although the Admiral had CV's under his belt (Enterprise,Hornet) from the Doolittle raid forward, he used the BB's as his flagship. South Dakota, New Jersey and Missouri. He hadnt earned his Aviator wings until the age of 50. He also refused to give up the "flying jackass" he had earned once he did.Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
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Nuclear power in CVs vis-à-vis Boomers
India has developed a nuclear powered submarine from its ATV project.
It could be a silly question (my apologies :whome:), but how different would a nuclear reactor for a CV be from its submarine counterpart? Relatively how much more time would it take for India to possess the said technology (if they want it at all)?
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Originally posted by DarthSiddius View PostIt could be a silly question (my apologies :whome:), but how different would a nuclear reactor for a CV be from its submarine counterpart? Relatively how much more time would it take for India to possess the said technology (if they want it at all)?"Nature abhors a moron." - H.L. Mencken
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