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  • #76
    Originally posted by ace009 View Post
    Does a modern day SSBN/ SSGN pose a threat to a Supercarrier? If yes, how much of a threat is it?
    a SSBN, no.. since their weapons are extremely long range ballistic missiles, designed to take out targets on land (cities, military bases etc) SSGN's most definitely, a great example is the Russian Oscar II class submarines, that fire SS-N-19 Shipwreck cruise missiles (they have either 1700 lbs of high explosives or a 500kt nuclear warhead)

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    • #77
      I bought Ivan Musicant's book "Battleship at War: The Epic Story of the USS Washington" quite awhile ago and vaguely remember from reading it that somebody was writing a book about the South Dakota that was supposed to give her side of the story during the Second Naval Battle of Guadalcanal. Just wondering if I'm remembering this right and if so, why was the book never published?

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      • #78
        Originally posted by mako88sb View Post
        I bought Ivan Musicant's book "Battleship at War: The Epic Story of the USS Washington" quite awhile ago and vaguely remember from reading it that somebody was writing a book about the South Dakota that was supposed to give her side of the story during the Second Naval Battle of Guadalcanal. Just wondering if I'm remembering this right and if so, why was the book never published?
        The only book I know of about the South Dakota is titled "Old Nameless". About it was in the mid-fifties when I first noticed one in a second-hand book store. But I couldn't buy it as the bus I was waiting for just came up. It wasn't until about 15 years ago I found a copy at a different book store.

        Naturally I snatched it up and it's in my bookcase.

        Try going through Amazon to see if they can find a copy. You can also research through Ebay but their asking prices are usually far too high.
        Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by RustyBattleship View Post
          The only book I know of about the South Dakota is titled "Old Nameless". About it was in the mid-fifties when I first noticed one in a second-hand book store. But I couldn't buy it as the bus I was waiting for just came up. It wasn't until about 15 years ago I found a copy at a different book store.

          Naturally I snatched it up and it's in my bookcase.

          Try going through Amazon to see if they can find a copy. You can also research through Ebay but their asking prices are usually far too high.

          Thanks! Interesting to see it was originally published in 1943 and as recently as 2007! I was able to order one off Amazon.ca.

          I'll have to see if I can find my copy of "Battleship at War" however. I know it's up in the attic but too many boxes to go through. Just curious if my memory is right about my original question.

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          • #80
            Magnum Force

            I was going to ask about at end of Magnum Force, which was just on TV, with Clint Eastwood about the two escort carriers they were on and where that was filmed, but I found some of the answer. They were the USS Rabaul, CVE-121 and USS Badoeng Strait, CVE-116. They are Commencement Bay-class escort carriers that were completed to late to see service in WWII. About 1972 they were sold to Nicolai Joffe Corporation for scrap. I was trying to see where these ships were filmed on a map but could not find much where Nicolai Joffe Corporation is\was. Anyone know anything further about this?

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            • #81
              The filming took place in Richmond, CA, on the SF Bay, just north of the Richmond San Rafael Bridge. Very small, nowadays partially collapsed pier on Western Drive.

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              • #82
                I guess you are talking about this location below? You can see the bridge in the background in the movie. The only buildings are the ones between to two intact piers.
                western drive richmond ca - Google Maps

                And the Iowa is at the Port of Richmond just south around the bend from the bridge. I think that was the old Kaiser shipyards during WWII times. This link...
                Port Richmond, current location of the Iowa - Google Maps
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                • #83
                  If you enlarge the second link you can see the SS Red Oak Victory parallel to a pier and then off to the left, where the old Kaiser drydocks are (now water filled) you can pick out two old fleet ocean tugs (ATF-105 Moctobi and ATF-110 Quapaw) and the old wooden steamer Wapama built in 1915. The US Park Service has declared her too far gone to save in 2011 and so she should be dismantled.
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                  • #84
                    How long have the fleet tugs been there, and do you know what their fate will be? My wife and I were just in the Bay Area a few months ago, but I'm not opposed to a return visit :)

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                    • #85
                      Here is the SS Red Oak Victory. I recall watching the videos of the Iowa coming around the bend and passing the Red Oak Victory on her way to the dock where she is now.

                      SS Red Oak Victory - Google Maps

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by ATF83 View Post
                        How long have the fleet tugs been there, and do you know what their fate will be? My wife and I were just in the Bay Area a few months ago, but I'm not opposed to a return visit :)
                        AT-110 launched May 1943 at Alameda, CA. Was at the Leyte and Lingayen Gulf landings. Impressive in itself for a small ship and she is still around. I see she even towed the USS Nautilus, on the first leg, from Mare Island to her current home in Groton. There are some great shots of Nautilus at Mare Island being prepped for her trip and then a great shot of Quapaw towing her under the Golden Gate.
                        Fleet Tug (ATF)

                        AT-105 launched March 1944.
                        Fleet Tug (ATF)

                        These two are clearly not under MARAD control from what I know. They have been at Kaiser for at least 10 years. I need to go back down and get some newer pictures of them along with the, fresh from dry dock, Red Oak Victory all painted up.

                        I see ATF-83 was laided down at the same shipyard in Alameda 48 days after AT-110. Small world!
                        Last edited by tbm3fan; 09 Jan 12,, 07:43.

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                        • #87
                          ATF-110 sank last month at that berth. According to the news reports, they were being prepared to be taken to the scrapyard.

                          Sunken tug had notable career « The Benicia Herald

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by ChrisV71 View Post
                            ATF-110 sank last month at that berth. According to the news reports, they were being prepared to be taken to the scrapyard.

                            Sunken tug had notable career « The Benicia Herald
                            I am very sad to hear that. Chapter 10 (only 2 pages with 1 photo) of my book is devoted to the Quapaw.
                            Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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                            • #89
                              In better days long ago...
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                              • #90
                                Question about the size of carrier air groups

                                My understanding was that American carrier air groups in the 60's through 80's were between 90 and 100 planes. Two fighter squadrons, two light attack, one heavy attack, an S-3 squadron and supporting ECM, AEW, tanker, etc. Now, it seems as if the CAG is down to about 80-90 planes, with only one fighter squadron. Why is this? Is it due to the growth in the size and capability of aircraft? Cost cutting? Some other reason?

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