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    Virginia health-care ruling strikes down key provision of Obama's plan

    By Rosalind S. Helderman
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Monday, December 13, 2010; 12:48 PM

    RICHMOND - A federal judge in Virginia ruled Monday that a key provision of the nation's sweeping health-care overhaul is unconstitutional, the most significant legal setback so far for President Obama's signature domestic initiative.

    U.S. District Court Judge Henry E. Hudson found that Congress could not order individuals to buy health insurance.

    In a 42-page opinion, Hudson said the provision of the law that requires most individuals to get insurance or pay a fine by 2014 is an unprecedented expansion of federal power that cannot be supported by Congress's power to regulate interstate trade.

    "Neither the Supreme Court nor any federal circuit court of appeals has extended Commerce Clause powers to compel an individual to involuntarily enter the stream of commerce by purchasing a commodity in the private market," he wrote. "In doing so, enactment of the [individual mandate] exceeds the Commerce Clause powers vested in Congress under Article I [of the Constitution.]

    Hudson is the first judge to rule that the individual mandate is unconstitutional. He said, however, that portions of the law that do not rest on the requirement that individuals obtain insurance are legal and can proceed. Hudson indicated there was no need for him to enjoin the law and halt its implementation, since the mandate does not go into effect until 2014.

    The ruling comes in a case filed by Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II (R), who said he was defending a new state statute that made it illegal to require people to carry health insurance in Virginia.

    It is one of 25 legal challenges to the federal law wending their way through the federal courts across the country. In two other lawsuits, judges sitting in Michigan and Lynchburg, Va., have found that the same provision of the law passed legal muster. A third judge in Florida is also weighing constitutionality of the individual mandate in a suit jointly filed by 20 states.

    The statute's constitutionality will ultimately be determined by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    The ruling by Hudson, an appointee of President George W. Bush's, was widely anticipated based on tough questions he lobbed at Obama administration lawyers in oral arguments in his Richmond courtroom.

    But the legal defeat will deal a significant political blow to the law, cheering those who have predicted its demise will come from adverse legal rulings rather than congressional repeal.

    The Virginia suit would ordinarily next be heard by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. Cuccinelli has indicated, however, that he would like to bypass the appeals court and move directly to the Supreme Court, an extraordinary legal maneuver that would require the high court to decide that the case held extreme public importance and intervene immediately.

    He has asked the White House to sign on to the request, arguing they, too, would benefit from a quick resolution to legal questions surrounding the law. However, it is not clear whether the White House will agree.
    To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

  • #2
    Some sanity finally. On to the Supreme Court. Job well done for my state's AG.
    To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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    • #3
      Americans wanted Health Care REFORM....not a MANDATE.

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      • #4
        or an activist judge usurpinging powers entrusted to the legislative branch,....
        Health Care Law Ruled Unconstitutional - CNN iReport
        to not engage in healthcare commerce would require healthcare be denied to all those who opt out and cannot afford care otherwise the decison to opt out is a decison to shift costs by those unable to pay when they get sick. and a form of commerce. are we ready to take that step? It would work for me.
        Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
        ~Ronald Reagan

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        • #5
          Health reform advocates have little to fear from judge's ruling

          lol He is part owner of a consulting firm that fought the law....no reason to recuse there.
          Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
          ~Ronald Reagan

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
            Health reform advocates have little to fear from judge's ruling

            lol He is part owner of a consulting firm that fought the law....no reason to recuse there.
            Why of course, the opinions of a Washington Post Staff Writer are much more credible than the legal ruling of some BUSH APPOINTED federal judge.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
              or an activist judge usurpinging powers entrusted to the legislative branch,....
              Health Care Law Ruled Unconstitutional - CNN iReport
              to not engage in healthcare commerce would require healthcare be denied to all those who opt out and cannot afford care otherwise the decison to opt out is a decison to shift costs by those unable to pay when they get sick. and a form of commerce. are we ready to take that step? It would work for me.
              You mean like the one striking down Prop 8 in California? Or the one striking down SB1070 in Arizona? At least these were voted on by the people. Did we get to vote on Obamacare?
              "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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              • #8
                gunnut,

                Did we get to vote on Obamacare?
                did you get a vote on any of the other bills that are being passed by congress? i thought conservatives liked to defend the fact that we're a constitutional republic, not a democracy...

                there are many good arguments against the healthcare law but that ain't one of them.
                There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                  You mean like the one striking down Prop 8 in California? Or the one striking down SB1070 in Arizona? At least these were voted on by the people. Did we get to vote on Obamacare?
                  please show me your source that said that judge had a financial motive. Otherwise please explain why a judge with a financial consideration shouldn't recuse themselves.
                  Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
                  ~Ronald Reagan

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by citanon View Post
                    Why of course, the opinions of a Washington Post Staff Writer are much more credible than the legal ruling of some BUSH APPOINTED federal judge.
                    No, not at all.... now, was that what my point was the or was it that a judge who had a financial iron in the fire should of recused themselvelf?
                    Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
                    ~Ronald Reagan

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by astralis View Post
                      gunnut,



                      did you get a vote on any of the other bills that are being passed by congress? i thought conservatives liked to defend the fact that we're a constitutional republic, not a democracy...

                      there are many good arguments against the healthcare law but that ain't one of them.
                      You missed the point. The point is activist judges placed injunctions on laws voted in by the people. At least this judge only determined a portion of the law NOT voted in by people to be unconstitutional.
                      Last edited by gunnut; 14 Dec 10,, 21:31.
                      "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
                        please show me your source that said that judge had a financial motive. Otherwise please explain why a judge with a financial consideration shouldn't recuse themselves.
                        What?

                        Which judge had a financial motive? What are you talking about? That's not what the term "activist judge" means.

                        Why did the judge in prop 8 decision NOT recuse himself? He seemed to have a personal interest in the matter.
                        "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                          What?

                          Which judge had a financial motive? What are you talking about? That's not what the term "activist judge" means.

                          Why did the judge in prop 8 decision NOT recuse himself? He seemed to have a personal interest in the matter.
                          Read the Wapo piece. He had a personal interest how because he's gay maybe?
                          Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
                          ~Ronald Reagan

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
                            Read the Wapo piece. He had a personal interest how because he's gay maybe?
                            It is not my job to look up your argument for you.
                            "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Roosveltrepub View Post
                              to not engage in healthcare commerce would require healthcare be denied to all those who opt out and cannot afford care otherwise the decison to opt out is a decison to shift costs by those unable to pay when they get sick.
                              Your logic doesn't follow. Costs are not truly shifted now. If you can't afford insurance you do not get off the hook for the bills. You are still legally obligated to pay them. More importantly ponzi schemes are illegal. The mandate seeks to force younger people to engage in commerce to underwrite the costs of the elderly. It won;t work anybetter for health care than it doid for social security. When the old outnumber the young the costs go up per producer. Congress is seeking to epxand its reach while neglectign to use its consitutional powers to fix the problem. The lower federal courts (tort reform) and commerce regulation (interstate poretability of insurance/ catasphrophic) are both constitutional means to effect the desired outcome. Finally, if everyone had to pay into the pool, a single payer tax would possibly fall with in the purview of the nessecery and proper clause- mandating commerce explicilty to benefit the share holders of private comapnies does not.


                              and a form of commerce. are we ready to take that step? It would work for me.[/QUOTE]

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