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  • Type 90(Japanese) vs. Type 98(Chinese)

    Which do you think is better and why?

    TYPE-90
    http://globalsecurity.org/military/w...pan_4-line.gif
    Specifications
    CREW 3
    MAX WEIGHT About 50t
    LENGTH OVERALL About 9.80m
    WIDTH OVERALL About 3.40m (skirt attaching)
    HEIGHT OVERALL About 2.30m
    GRADIENT 60%
    MAX SPEED About 70km/h
    ENGINE Liquid-cooled two-stroke 10-cylindered diesel engine
    Max power 1,500PS/2,400rpm
    ARMAMENT
    - 120mm smooth bore gun 1
    - 12.7mm (Cal. 50) heavy machine gun 1
    - Type 74 7.62mm mounted machine gun

    TYPE-98
    http://sinodefence.com/army/tank/type98_1.jpg
    Crew: 3
    Weight: 50 tons
    Engine: 1,200 hp liquid cooled diesel
    Transmission: Mechanical, planetary
    Track: Metallic with RMSh, with rubber-tyred road wheels
    Suspension: Torsion bar
    Radio: Receive/transmit, telephone, laser communications
    Dimension: Length: 11.00 m; Height: 2.00 m; Width: 3.40 m
    Cruising Range: 450 km, or 600 km with external tanks
    Speed: Max road 65 km/h; max off-road 47 km/h; average cross-country 35 km/h; max swim N/A
    Fording Depths: 5 m with snorkel
    Main Gun: Indigenous 125 mm smoothbore
    Rate of Fire: 8 rounds/min
    Auxiliary Weapon: One coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun; one 12.7 mm air-defence machine gun
    Fire Control: Laser rangefinder input, onboard computer, wind sensor, and control panel
    Last edited by Praxus; 28 Sep 03,, 21:39.

  • #2
    Two tanks from countries without tank warfare experiences. Does that tell you anyting?

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    • #3
      When two tanks look close on paper, i'm giving the nod to the Western model.

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      • #4
        as both are comming from the eastern asia, i don't really see a western model here.

        regards
        axl

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        • #5
          Look harder Axl.....

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          • #6
            The Japanese T-90 has the same 120mm gun as the Abrams and the Leo2A5.

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            • #7
              wrong. the 120mm smoothbore gun is based on the same design as the gun of leo2 (up to a5) and abrams from version a1. the gun is made in japan and modified to run an automatic loader. the abrams came out with a 105mm gun. only a1 and a2 are equipped with a 120mm one. it is again based on the german design but manufactured in the usa. and it has been modified, the breech is less complicated and the quality is lower.

              regards
              axl

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              • #8
                I must say that the Japanese Type-90 looks a lot like an M1A1. My money is on the -90.
                “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                • #9
                  wrong. the 120mm smoothbore gun is based on the same design as the gun of leo2 (up to a5) and abrams from version a1. the gun is made in japan and modified to run an automatic loader. the abrams came out with a 105mm gun. only a1 and a2 are equipped with a 120mm one. it is again based on the german design but manufactured in the usa. and it has been modified, the breech is less complicated and the quality is lower.
                  I am well aware, but for all intensive purposes it's the same gun.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TopHatter
                    I must say that the Japanese Type-90 looks a lot like an M1A1. My money is on the -90.
                    Mine would on the Chinese, not so much as it may or may not be a better tank but they have much more modern experience with land warfare and they know what they've done wrong in the past. Doesn't mean that they got it right this time but it does mean that they know some mistakes to avoid.

                    The same cannot be said of the Japanese land forces.

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                    • #11
                      Agreed. Experience counts for a hell of a lot. OR if you have something like the NTC at Fort Irwin :) That definitely helps too.
                      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                      • #12
                        Mine would on the Chinese, not so much as it may or may not be a better tank but they have much more modern experience with land warfare and they know what they've done wrong in the past. Doesn't mean that they got it right this time but it does mean that they know some mistakes to avoid.

                        The same cannot be said of the Japanese land forces.
                        Most of the newer Chinese tanks are the Type 96, the Type 98 is not in mass production yet. Also the Japanese have around 900 Tanks the Chinese have well over 15,000, with most of them being well over 20-25 years old, the numbers are to much for the Japanese to handle exspecially when they lack experience and the heavy armour like on the M1A2 and the Leo2A6.

                        But if there were to be a war it would be the Chinese invading Japan, which would be a non-starter because the ammount of forces it would require, it would allow Taiwan to go TI and it would cause US intervention. Also on top of this they don't have the airlift and sealift as of yet.

                        I wouldn't say China is more experianced in Tank Warfare then Japan. Neither one has fought a modern tank engagment.

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                        • #13
                          I think when we want to compare hardware we have a tendency to also interject the human factor into things, just as it should be.
                          On the other hand, what if these 2 tanks faced each other with equal crews? Or perhaps individually, each taking separate tests of various capabilities?
                          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Praxus
                            I wouldn't say China is more experianced in Tank Warfare then Japan. Neither one has fought a modern tank engagment.
                            Depends on what you mean by a modern tank engagement. Chinese tanks saw extensive action in the 79 Sin-VN War though as inf support and more than a few was on the wrong end of an RPG.

                            Chinese and VN tanks did saw action against one another though more of a one-on-one type deal and never en mass.

                            The PLA held a tank reserve against the Red Army during the Cold War. Their concept was to be the decisive force when the Red Army got exhausted over a stretched LOC.

                            So, yes, China is more experienced than Japan but nowhere near the Russians or the West.

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                            • #15
                              Yah, I get what your saying.

                              I just think that their experience is not that great and wouldn't be a decisive advantage in a war against the Japanese.

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