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  • #46
    1. F-18 E/F is not just an enlarged F-18 A-D
    2. F-18 E/F is a better fighter than people give it credit for
    3. F-4 was the ugliest fighter in USN service...EVER!!!
    "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by gunnut View Post
      3. F-4 was the ugliest fighter in USN service...EVER!!!
      I submit the F2A Buffalo as the ugliest, that or the F3F biplane

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      • #48
        What are you guys talking about????

        The Phantom is beautiful!

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        • #49
          Originally posted by zraver View Post
          I submit the F2A Buffalo as the ugliest, that or the F3F biplane
          Nah...they have this old timer's charm that I like.

          F-4, on the other hand, looked like the parts were stuck on in a late night garage project. The droopy tail, upslanted wing tips, engine intake that looked likethey were bolted on as an after thought, fat nose, engines that weren't placed all the way back like the designer ran out of something during the designing phase...etc.
          "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by YellowFever View Post
            What are you guys talking about????

            The Phantom is beautiful!
            How many beers have you had? :hammer:
            "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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            • #51
              7 so far. But thats besides the Point.

              Also, why is the Raptor so beautiful but the JSF so butt ugly?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by zraver View Post
                I submit the F2A Buffalo as the ugliest, that or the F3F biplane
                I'm rather fond of the Buffalo, even built the model!;)
                Reddite igitur quae sunt Caesaris Caesari et quae sunt Dei Deo
                (Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things which are God's)

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by YellowFever View Post
                  Also, why is the Raptor so beautiful but the JSF so butt ugly?
                  You mean F-32 Lewinsky?
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                  • #54
                    I like the looks of the 'flying beer bottle' (Lentävä kaljapullo) F2A Buffalo much better than the later 'knock-kneed bumblebee' F4F Wildcat that replaced it.

                    Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                    You mean F-32 Lewinsky?
                    The X-32 looks like it's making a face like
                    Last edited by Genosaurer; 06 Oct 10,, 01:08.
                    "Nature abhors a moron." - H.L. Mencken

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                      You mean F-32 Lewinsky?
                      Yeah.....it blows.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by YellowFever View Post
                        Yeah.....it blows.
                        Really? I thought it sucked...
                        "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                          Oh come on, the superbug got nothing on the elelphant nose F4.
                          I love the F-4. The shining example that if you put big enough engines in something, it WILL fly. And do so pretty fast. But it only looks good in camo.

                          Originally posted by Chogy View Post
                          How the F-22 and the AIM-120 changes the "hi-fast flyer" challenge, I am not sure, but I would guess the vastly superior kinematic performance of the AIM-120 vs the AIM-7 makes the job much easier.
                          Same concepts, but the engagement envelope is more forgiving as you'd expect.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
                            To add to this: don't forget the israelis shotdown multiple sirian recon Mig-25, a mission profile that required a delicate interception.
                            Sorry for the offtopic, but do you have any additional information about those interceptions? I've never heard about them before.
                            Winter is coming.

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                            • #59
                              Something to consider when using the difficulties in achieving kills against the Syrian Mig-25's is that those were unarmed recon versions. A Mig-25 or Mig-31 attempting to kill an AWACs would have/would be using big Russian missiles like the AA-6, AA-9 or AA-13. That reduces the speed and altitude of the aircraft a lot, so the interceptions aren't going to be as hard as the Syrian ones were.
                              "There is no such thing as society" - Margaret Thatcher

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by NUS View Post
                                Sorry for the offtopic, but do you have any additional information about those interceptions? I've never heard about them before.
                                Mostly in books, but I found this on the net:
                                F-15 Eagle in Service with Israel
                                (mentions "zoom and climb" tactic")
                                McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle

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