Also on the CV the spaces are larger. I the DD everything is crammed in to tiny spaces. On my ship the engineers thought it a fine idea to put all the drain and warm up valves in one place. That is except for one problem how to access the valve when the packing started leaking!!!! We called these things Christmas Trees". Once they started to leak one could not access the valve to repair it as they were all welded to the respective system lines. So the packing leaked until we had an availability and an HP welder could remove the old one and install a new one. Not sure about the engineering thinking of the time!
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Originally posted by blidgepump View PostWWII Desron 23 History / operation history and the story of Little Beaver” — companion to the title character in The Adventures of Red Ryder, 1938–1964 newspaper comic strip by Fred Harman. Subject of 27 feature films and, later, television programs. Adopted by Capt. Burke as an insignia for the squadron after viewing torpedoman James Bowler’s artwork decorating Claxton’s torpedo tubes, 25 October 1943. Sources: Jones, Pratt, DesRon 23, Tom Clyce, USS Claxton.
In February 1946, the squadron was deactivated and the ships placed in mothballs at Charleston, South Carolina. Braine recommissioned in 1951 and served as flagship of DesRon 21 before being sold to Argentina in 1971; Converse was sold to Spain in 1959; Charles Ausburne, Claxton and Dyson were sold to the German Bundesmarine in 1959–60.
DesRon 23 was reactivated in 1956, initially with the Fletcher-class Stephen Potter (flagship), Picking, Irwin, and Preston. It remains active today.
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Originally posted by Boilermaker9 View PostAlso on the CV the spaces are larger. I the DD everything is crammed in to tiny spaces. On my ship the engineers thought it a fine idea to put all the drain and warm up valves in one place. That is except for one problem how to access the valve when the packing started leaking!!!! We called these things Christmas Trees". Once they started to leak one could not access the valve to repair it as they were all welded to the respective system lines. So the packing leaked until we had an availability and an HP welder could remove the old one and install a new one. Not sure about the engineering thinking of the time!“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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Asbestos......
Originally posted by Boilermaker9 View PostWhen these ships were built nearly all insulation was of asbestos. which to me that image shows. I believe this is why some museums have difficulty opening up spaces.....the lagging and insulation must be removed or incapsulated to protect the public. I know the Navy started an asbestos removal program however it became cost prohibitive so they began incapsulating it.
Of the three Fletchers on display in the US of A, the Kidd remains the only one that I've not been able to perform a full inspection.
But... I trying to get off the "hot seat" and add that the engine and boiler rooms to the Tri-fecta card.
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Originally posted by blidgepump View PostYes sir, the asbestos issue has been the one limiting factor in touring museum ships.
Of the three Fletchers on display in the US of A, the Kidd remains the only one that I've not been able to perform a full inspection.
But... I trying to get off the "hot seat" and add that the engine and boiler rooms to the Tri-fecta card.
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Originally posted by blidgepump View PostA quick read for those Fletcher DD fans is Dave McComb's book addressing WWII destroyers 1942-45.
Besides the war time crisis for more DD's in the Pacific it offers a review of development of the DD.
Shipcraft #8 Fletcher class DDs- Lester Abby
Anatomy of the Ship The Destroyer The Sullivans- Al Ross
The Floating Drydocks Warship Data #1 USS Kidd
3 great photo books with lots of detailed photos of areas you normally don"t see
Classic Warships #31 USS Buchannon
Classic Warships #42 Round Bridge Fletchers
Classic Warships #45 Square Bridge Fletchers
All 3 by Steve Wiper. Any of you who have been on the Ship Models Forum know the name. I think the guy lives at NARA looking for pics.
And the 2 web sites
Historic Naval Ships Association HNSA.org Has booklets of general plans and many pamplets of various weapons in the Resources/manuals and documents section.
Snyder and Shorts Shipcamouflage.com Will tell you what camouflage scheme just about every US ship was painted during WW2.
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All of those books mentioned above are excellent reference materials for building a FLETCHER class DD.
But....you missed the Holy Grail of reference details for a FLETCHER class modeler - The Floating Drydock FLETCHER Class DD Plan Book. This is to DD modelers what their Plan Book USS MISSIOURI is for IOWA class modelers. While it is no longer available in print, it IS available as an EPlan Book.
Don't leave home without it!!!
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Originally posted by bbvet View PostAll of those books mentioned above are excellent reference materials for building a FLETCHER class DD.
But....you missed the Holy Grail of reference details for a FLETCHER class modeler - The Floating Drydock FLETCHER Class DD Plan Book. This is to DD modelers what their Plan Book USS MISSIOURI is for IOWA class modelers. While it is no longer available in print, it IS available as an EPlan Book.
Don't leave home without it!!!
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HSNA.org has a copy of DD-502 – USS Sigsbee – Booklet of General Plans, 1944, Fletcher Class if that helps.
http://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploa...4/08/dd502.pdf
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BM9 Wrote:these are great reference material for the model builder and for general interest! Another site I found.. http://destroyerhistory.org/fletcherclass/0%5Fallnum/ ... this site uses to have the construction Plans from Bath Iron Works, however sad to report that the gentlemen passed on a couple of years ago and I have not been able to locate them anywhere else. However this site has official photos of the Fletchers! Does anyone else know where the Bath Iron Works plans may be found? Without navigating the National Archives?
Hope this helps,
HankLast edited by bbvet; 28 Jan 18,, 18:13.
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Rolling & sloshing, too ......
Originally posted by JCT View PostI thought the heads in some of those old WWII era Quonset huts still used on Camp Pendleton were bad - the crappers were all in a row with no partition between them. At least there was some space between then and you weren't quite rubbing elbows with your neighbors!
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BP Wrote:the rolling and sloshing and sea surging about while pausing to sit and reflect aboard a DD .... oh the appreciation for the private privy back home on the farm!
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Battleship engines because of their size and shp they were shoe horned in to the space and the throttle board is along side as opposed to the front of the engine. I also believe there is a generator with switch gear in that space. I am not sure if the battleship engines had a crushing set of wheels or not. If not that would account for the 2 valve wheelers on the board as opposed to the three on the other.
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