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    Iran Test-fires Advanced Ground-to-ground Missile

    (RTTNews) - Iran has claimed that it successfully test-fired a new ground-to-ground missile that hits targets with a higher precision and more difficult to intercept.
    Iran Test-fires Advanced Ground-to-ground Missile
    Test-firing of the missile, named Qiam (uprising), was disclosed by Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi during Friday prayers in Tehran. However, he did not reveal the time and launch site or its precise range.

    Footage of the launch, beamed by state television, showed the sand-colored Qiam blasting into the sky from a desert terrain amid chants of "Allahu Akbar," which means God is Great.

    Vahidi described launching of the indigenously-designed and built missile as a "huge step in Iran's missile development."

    Iran is expected to unveil its first domestically manufactured long-range unmanned aircraft, two missile-carrying speedboats and other missiles during the annual government week beginning on Monday.

    Iran's test-firing of short and long-range missiles has evoked concerns by major Western powers.

    Last year, Iran's elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) test-fired the long-range Shahab-3 missile which, defense analysts say, potentially puts Israel and U.S. bases in the Gulf within its reach.

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    Dinnerjacket ups the anti, rather jaw jaw than war war , buuuuuuuttttttt?


    Iran unveiled a prototype long-range unmanned bomber on Sunday, the latest in a stream of announcements of new Iranian-made military hardware




    On a stage in front of military officials, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pulled a sheet away from the aircraft, called the Karrar, which Iran says is its first long-range drone.

    With the United States and Israel saying they do not rule out a military strike to stop Iran getting a nuclear bomb, the Islamic Republic has showed off new mini-submarines, a surface-to-surface missile and announced plans to launch high altitude satellites over the next three years.

    The presentation of the drone came a day after Iranian and Russian technicians began fuelling Iran's first nuclear power station, something Israel called "totally unacceptable."

    In a speech at the unveiling ceremony, Ahmadinejad said Iran should seek the ability to make pre-emptive strikes against a perceived threat, although he said it would never strike first.

    "If there is an ignorant person or an egoist or a tyrant who just wanted to make an aggression then our Defence Ministry should reach a point where it could cut off the hand of the aggressor before it decided to make an aggression," he said.

    "We should reach a point when Iran would serve as a defence umbrella for all freedom loving nations in the face of world aggressors. We don't want to attack anywhere, Iran will never decide to attack anywhere, but our revolution cannot sit idle in the face of tyranny, we can't remain indifferent."

    The exact capabilities of the new drone were not disclosed.

    Iran, which says its nuclear programme is entirely peaceful, has warned that any strike against its nuclear sites would be countered by measures not restricted to the Middle East region. Ahmadinejad said on Saturday an attack on Iran would be "suicidal."

    Iran has said it is prepared to return to talks with major world powers but the exact nature of such negotiations has yet to be defined. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said last week Iran would not talk to the United States unless sanctions and military threats were lifted


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    "ambassador of death" is a very cool name
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    Promise the people the moon and give them lemons instead.

    Its all in the presentation.

    Iran's weapons-development efforts have long had a wisp of The Wizard of Oz about them — in other words, don't look behind the curtain. In the movie, of course, it was Toto who tugged back the curtain to show the lever-pulling wiz was a fraud. But it was Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad himself who stood proudly on the stage at Tehran's Malek-Ashtar University of Technology as a sky-blue curtain rose to unveil Iran's first armed drone. It also showed the world, if not his fellow Iranians, just how threadbare Tehran's arsenal is.

    As showbiz, it had its effect. "Iranians Roll Out Unmanned Bomber," the Wall Street Journal warned darkly on its front page the day after Ahmadinejad's announcement. Global television has repeatedly shown two chador-clad women pulling up the cloak to reveal the Karrar — Farsi for Striker — but which Ahmadinejad affectionately dubbed the "ambassador of death." ("It's a curious name for a system," State Department spokesman — and former Air Force officer — P.J. Crowley noted, as if the U.S. Air Force's two armed drones, the Predator and Reaper, were benignly named.)
    (See how pilotless CIA drones have changed the way war is fought in Pakistan.)

    Yet the gap between rhetoric and rockets looms large, experts suggest. "More like the 'ambassador of minor damage to unintended target,'" says Richard Aboulafia, a veteran analyst with the Teal Group, an aerospace-consulting firm just outside Washington, D.C. Iran lacks the ability to guide its drone over long distances, nor does it have the sensors — both on the aircraft and at the ground stations controlling it — to make it any kind of a threat. Adds Kenneth Katzman, an Iranian-military expert with the Congressional Research Service: "It is likely to have virtually no actual military value."
    (Meet America's long-distance, remote drone pilots.)

    The gold-colored, 13-ft. (4 m) drone appears to be powered by a single turbojet engine with a 250-lb. (110 kg) bomb slung underneath its belly. It purportedly can carry a bomb weighing up to 450 lb. (200 kg) and has a range of about 600 miles (960 km), which is still short of reaching Israel. The design has left U.S. experts scratching their heads. "Is Estes the prime contractor?" asked one blogger on an aviation website, referring to the Colorado-based model-rocket maker loved by teenage boys since 1958.

    But Iran isn't concerned about reality, just making the right impression, especially among its home audience. "Iran has no defense against an Israeli or U.S. first strike," John McCreary, a veteran U.S. intelligence analyst, said in his NightWatch blog Tuesday. "The leaders want to camouflage that fact by showing off weapons, without admitting that they have little value in protecting Iranians." Tehran also knows that the idea of an unmanned aircraft packs an insidious kind of punch. With no pilot at risk, the visceral reaction is that they can go anywhere to spy or destroy. But that's due to the success the Pentagon has had in recent years with those Predators and Reapers over Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan. That success is not guaranteed simply because a country possesses drones.

    The battlefield history of drones — armed or not — has largely been spent flying over territory that the U.S. or its allies control. Fly them into contested airspace — where foes on the ground or in other aircraft are trying to shoot them down — "and they'll start falling from the sky like rain," says U.S. Air Force Lieut. General Dave Deptula, a longtime airpower advocate who will soon end a 34-year career. The U.S. proved that in February 2009, when it claimed a pair of manned fighters shot down an Iranian drone hanging out over Iraq. The Iranians may have proved it themselves. According to a piece by Michael Ledeen in the Wall Street Journal, the Iranian air force securing the site of the controversial Bushehr nuclear reactor recently shot down what it thought were three enemy drones. The drones had been deployed by another sector of the Iranian military — but no one had bothered to tell the country's air force about the project.

    The offensive side of drone warfare is just as challenging. The unmanned aircraft itself is just the tip of a technological iceberg. Hidden are the complicated technologies — ranging from satellite communications and navigation to sophisticated surveillance systems and miniaturized weapons — that get the drone within striking distance of its target, and then guide its warhead home. The Karrar apparently lacks any means of communication with the ground beyond line-of-sight radio waves.

    State Department spokesman Crowley suggested Monday that the drone rollout is part of a push by Iran to counter a growing alliance of its neighbors and the U.S. concerned about its nuclear ambitions. "There's no particular logic to the path that Iran is on," he said. "Its nuclear ambitions, we believe, will actually in the long run make Iran less secure." Especially if the guys who designed the drone also are working on Iran's A-bomb.

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    Read more: Iran: How Effective Is Ahmadinejad's New Drone? - TIME
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    Quote Originally Posted by xinhui View Post
    "ambassador of death" is a very cool name
    This looks like a old US drone, which has been copied by a lot of nations, the indian target drone lakshya looks just the same

    seems like quite a popular design.
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    How could a long range drone bomber possibly fly without using GPS?

    Isn't entire GPS property of US.DoD?

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    It is a target drone with LOS command system. It no long range UAV or UCAV. Iranian propaganda never ceases. At least it isn't as bad as claiming a repainted F-5 as a new domestic fighter. lol

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    More like the 'ambassador of minor damage to unintended target'.
    Heh. It looks like a V1.

    Meanwhile if anyone has a decent shot of the Qiams business end I'd be grateful
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Heh. It looks like a V1.
    Looks like our only defence will be to buy lots of Hawker Tempests and Spitfire Mark XIV's

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    Another thing they fail to mention is that even if it gets off the ground it wont be landing in one piece. The US 's armed drones take off and land on their own gear. These things appear to be a one shot deal (in the dark no less) no live update link nor guidance once out of LOS radiowaves. A waste of time and money but I suppose it might impress some of the Iranian people that dont know any better which is probably what they are aiming for. Another feat to add to dinnerjackets smoke and mirrors repertoire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monash View Post
    Looks like our only defence will be to buy lots of Hawker Tempests and Spitfire Mark XIV's
    Ah if only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Heh. It looks like a V1.

    Meanwhile if anyone has a decent shot of the Qiams business end I'd be grateful
    Dear Parihaka,
    Qiam is supposed to be a tactical missile (rocket?) AFAIK.

    Looking at Asymmetrical/urban warfare doctrine of IRGC I don't know where in the battle field this missile will fit and how effective could be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    Heh. It looks like a V1.

    Meanwhile if anyone has a decent shot of the Qiams business end I'd be grateful
    Pari here is some pix and info. on Qiam I got from IDF.



    Things to note are the thrusters on the warhead (which I can't figure out what they are for} and absence of flying fins, thrust vectoring, may be?

    Also comparing to men standing around it I would say it is relatively a small missile (about 10 to 12 meters in height) and looking at the exhaust nozzle in clip below no doubt it is a liquid fueled missile.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryajet View Post
    Pari here is some pix and info. on Qiam I got from IDF.


    Things to note are the thrusters on the warhead (which I can't figure out what they are for} and absence of flying fins, thrust vectoring, may be?

    Also comparing to men standing around it I would say it is relatively a small missile (about 10 to 12 meters in height) and looking at the exhaust nozzle in clip below no doubt it is a liquid fueled missile.
    It's a solid fuel test-bed missile not meant for carrying a warhead. The problems the Iranians face is manuevering their solid fuel rockets as due to sanctions they can't get the materials to make the vanes usually used to manouver a solid fuel rocket. Instead they've adapted an old Soviet design using liquid fuel thrusters with a solid fuel engine. From what little I can see they've refined their thrusters more which is the whole point of these test firings.
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