It's time to stop negotiating. They will not stop making the nukes. It's time to use the only thing they understand, War.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostI would expect nothing less but the point being being hit with nukes is not something you would want to absorb. 10 nukes on countries the size of China, Russia, and the US would not mean the destruction of those countries. China and Russia alone lost more than 10 cities and over 10 million lives each during WWII and they emerged victorious.
Israel is just too small to have that kind of redundancy. Provincial governments cannot take over for the federal government. And if Israel loses a million people, she doesn't have another million to replace them.
The point here is that nuclear war should never be considered lightly nor half heartily. You will lose and lose big. Just because the other guy loses more does not mean you can bear your own loses lightly.
In short, Iran could never be allowed nuclear weapons.To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
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i wonder what the iranian capacity is for absorbing nukes. as i understand it, iran would take at least 10:1 in any nuclear exchange with israel, which is lopsided enough where iran would die along with israel.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Looks like you think that Israel won't survive nuclear war, but what makes you think Israel will survive total war with Islam world after attack on Iran?
Even if Israel will achive military victory (with a lot of american blood shed) what will be the price?
The best solution, in my opinion, is Soviet-style collapse of Iran regime. Any military action will be ultimate stupidity.Winter is coming.
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Originally posted by NUS View PostLooks like you think that Israel won't survive nuclear war, but what makes you think Israel will survive total war with Islam world after attack on Iran?
Even if Israel will achive military victory (with a lot of american blood shed) what will be the price?
The best solution, in my opinion, is Soviet-style collapse of Iran regime. Any military action will be ultimate stupidity.
America's not about to waste any troops lives on the POS regime.Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostIsrael didn't sign the NPT. I know that is a sore point but what the ME nations who did, including Iran, have stated is that they did not need nukes for their defence ... and they're right.
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Ooops, voted the wrong choice before understanding the question (2nd time in 2 days.......). Israel needs to strike the Iranian nuke infrastructure, yes. This particular reactor, no.
Originally posted by NUS View PostLooks like you think that Israel won't survive nuclear war, but what makes you think Israel will survive total war with Islam world after attack on Iran?
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostWell Israel shouldn't have gotten the nukes then. They should have known that once they got the nuke and started lording over others, the other countries are gonna feel pissed and want a come uppance and get their own nukes. The best thing for Israel is to develop its BMD program and then give up the nukes as long as US promises to include Israel under its nuclear umbrella against any Middle Eastern country. Then all the middle eastern countries would have no justification for a nuke program.
They went nuclear because they are a country of 7.5 million on a 50 mile wide strip of land in the midst of neighbors who have tried to wipe them out repeatedly since 1948.
"Justification" doesn't mean much when you are dead.
If Israel was overrun in some military disaster, is the US going to nuke it's neighbors?
It seems to me that they would be crazy to give up their nukes, and they need to stop that Iranian program by any means necessary.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostWell Israel shouldn't have gotten the nukes then. They should have known that once they got the nuke and started lording over others, the other countries are gonna feel pissed and want a come uppance and get their own nukes. The best thing for Israel is to develop its BMD program and then give up the nukes as long as US promises to include Israel under its nuclear umbrella against any Middle Eastern country. Then all the middle eastern countries would have no justification for a nuke program.
The US nuclear umbrella over Israel ... and over China for that matter ... was a matter of Cold War strategic necessity. Washington could not afford Soviet nuclear strikes to go unchallenged. Since the fall of the USSR, that umbrella is no longer available to both Israel and China.
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Originally posted by citanon View PostBlademaster,
They went nuclear because they are a country of 7.5 million on a 50 mile wide strip of land in the midst of neighbors who have tried to wipe them out repeatedly since 1948.
"Justification" doesn't mean much when you are dead.
If Israel was overrun in some military disaster, is the US going to nuke it's neighbors?
It seems to me that they would be crazy to give up their nukes, and they need to stop that Iranian program by any means necessary.
I am so surprised that everybody is so concerned about Iran but what about Pakistan? As far as I know, Pakistan does not like Israel and regularly calls for action against Israel. Hell, 80% of Pakistan's population hates Israel and thinks that the "Jews" are behind everything along with the evil yindoos. Pakistan aids some of the most rabid Islamic groups who regularly calls for jihad against Israel. Why is Pakistan not given the same treatment as Iran accorded by Israel?
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Originally posted by NUS View PostLooks like you think that Israel won't survive nuclear war, but what makes you think Israel will survive total war with Islam world after attack on Iran?
Even if Israel will achive military victory (with a lot of american blood shed) what will be the price?
The best solution, in my opinion, is Soviet-style collapse of Iran regime. Any military action will be ultimate stupidity."Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
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Originally posted by citanon View PostBlademaster,
They went nuclear because they are a country of 7.5 million on a 50 mile wide strip of land in the midst of neighbors who have tried to wipe them out repeatedly since 1948.
"Justification" doesn't mean much when you are dead.
If Israel was overrun in some military disaster, is the US going to nuke it's neighbors?
It seems to me that they would be crazy to give up their nukes, and they need to stop that Iranian program by any means necessary.
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Originally posted by citanon View PostPeople might have said that about Hezbollah before 2008.
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