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  • #16
    Originally posted by xinhui View Post
    ROKA also armed with some Russian T-80s as well. Can't see how any DPRK tanks could venture far without controlling the air.
    AFAIK the T80s are used more for REDFORCE training than as a front line unit. If you train to kill the T80/BMP3 mix then a bunch of modified T62s and a haggle of BMP1s really wouldn't present much of a challenge.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by S-2 View Post
      "Can't see how any DPRK tanks could venture far without controlling the air."

      Won't happen.
      Yeah, unlike the Iraqi Air Force in 1991, the DPRK air force would stand and fight and then die by the truckload.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
        Yeah, unlike the Iraqi Air Force in 1991, the DPRK air force would stand and fight and then die by the truckload.
        Ehh, no, most won't get off the ground - no fuel. And those that do would be missile magnets, no training time.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
          Yeah, unlike the Iraqi Air Force in 1991, the DPRK air force would stand and fight and then die by the truckload.
          Completely different terrain. The Iraqi army arrayed in the desert would have looked like (and presented about as much of a challenge as) a game of space invaders. Massive force acting dumb arrayed in textbook fashion on a vast open space, or even worse trying to escape down a single road.

          The Norks aren't stupid enough to present that kind of a target after studying Iraq 91.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            Ehh, no, most won't get off the ground - no fuel.
            Ouch, hadn't thought of that. What about strategic reserves, war stocks etc?

            Didn't the Great Leader and his capable son ever think about putting something away for a rainy day? (as in, it's just raining PGM's out there!)

            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            And those that do would be missile magnets, no training time.
            Exactly my point! :)
            “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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            • #21
              chakos Reply

              "The Norks aren't stupid enough to present that kind of a target after studying Iraq 91."

              We're discussing the North Korean airforce. That airforce will rise, fight and die...as sure as the sun rises in the east.

              OTOH, if you wish to expand this argument, NKPA armor will stand out like a sore thumb when you consider carefully the constricted, channelized nature of the terrain leading south along with all that's been done by the S. Koreans to accentuate that channelization.

              Or, alternatively, the NKPA simply don't attack with armor. That won't happen either.
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              • #22
                While clowning around and generally displaying some serious TGIF behavior instead of working this morning, I came across this rather interesting publication which contains an article about the M2002 MBT. I was unable to open www.kpajournal.com but that isn't unusual considering where I live.

                http://www.nkeconwatch.com/nk-upload...vol-1-no-4.pdf

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by chakos View Post
                  Its a generation older (albeit with modifications), it doesn't have the hardkill/softkill options for dealing with ATGMs, it also doesn't have the same level of advanced fire control. Armor is probably on par but neither you nor I would know for certain and it lacks a lot of the extras (the K2 PIP will even have radar to scan the road ahead and make the best suspension choices automatically based on terrain).

                  The only benefit of the 2E is that you could probably buy 2 for the same price as 1 K2. Although as i said, if money was no option...

                  The K2 is basically what the M1A3 should be sans the DU armor.
                  Because one is a operational vehicle and the other a technology demonstrator, who's bugs have not bean solved yet.
                  K2 Tank Production Suffers Budget Cut
                  J'ai en marre.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by 1979 View Post
                    Because one is a operational vehicle and the other a technology demonstrator, who's bugs have not bean solved yet.
                    K2 Tank Production Suffers Budget Cut
                    At the moment they are testing pre production models of the k2. A tech demonstrator is just that, it will never enter production. The K2 will, every weapon system has teething problems.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by chakos View Post
                      A tech demonstrator is just that, it will never enter production. The K2 will,
                      Imho the Korean army needs the k1 more than she needs the k2;
                      390 tanks can't replace `1500 , when the bad guys field 3500 to 3800 afv.
                      J'ai en marre.

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                      • #26
                        S. Korea Studies North's New Battle Tank
                        By JUNG SUNG-KI
                        Published: 17 Aug 2010 14:56
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                        SEOUL - South Korean military and intelligence authorities are scrutinizing the performances of North Korea's latest main battle tank, believed to be the latest modification of the Soviet-built T-62, officials here said Aug. 17.
                        Video footage of North Korea's Chungang TV shows the North Korean battle tank, the 'Pokpung-Ho' (Storm), which is believed to be based on the Soviet-built T-62 tank. (Agence France-Presse)

                        The North's Korean Central Television made public footage of the Pokpung-Ho (Storm) days ago. The rare release of such footage by the secretive North Koreans occurred in the tense aftermath of the March sinking of a South Korean warship near the western sea border.
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                        Last month, South Korean and U.S. forces flexed their muscles during massive air and naval drills off the eastern coast of the peninsula, despite Pyongyang's warning that it would respond to the war games.

                        "The new tank appeared to have better mobility, survivability and firepower than the existing Chonma-Ho (Pegasus), apparently," a South Korean Ministry of National Defense official said on condition of anonymity. "We're still analyzing the … tank based on the footage from Pyongyang's state television station. The release of footage of the Pokpung-Ho was quite rare, as the existence of the new tank had sometimes been regarded as a rumor."

                        The Pokpung-Ho also is dubbed the M-2002, as the tank is presumed to have been rolled out in 2002, he added.

                        The North Korean People's Army is known to operate up to 800 T-62 variants.

                        Beginning in the late 1970s, North Korea started to produce a modified version of the 115mm gunned T-62 tank, and since then is believed to have made considerable modifications to the basic Soviet and Chinese designs.

                        According to a recent analysis published by Seoul's Defense Agency for Technology and Quality, an affiliate of the Defense Acquisition Program Administration, the Pokpung-Ho is believed to be armed with either a newly developed 125mm or 115mm main gun.

                        The improved version would be mounted with a 14.5mm KPV anti-aircraft machine gun, which is more powerful than the 12.7mm gun on older tanks, the analysis states.

                        Other improvements for the Pokpung-Ho include a laser rangefinder, an infrared searchlight and an up-to-date fire control system, according to the publication.

                        The North Korean Army is believed to have about 3,900 tanks, and only one elite mechanized unit would operate Pokpung-Hos.

                        The South Korean Army operates about 2,300 tanks, many of which will be replaced by the state-of-the-art K2 Black Panther main battle tank and modified K1A1 tank.

                        The K2, rolled out in 2007, is an amphibious tank armed with a locally developed 120mm/55-caliber stabilized smoothbore gun. Its 1,500-horsepower engine can power the tank to 70 kilometers per hour on paved roads and 50 kilometers off-road. It can cross rivers as deep as 4.1 meters.

                        Meanwhile, Seoul's Joint Chiefs of Staff revealed Aug. 16 that North Korea flew an unmanned aerial vehicle for surveillance or as a decoy after it fired nearly 1,200 artillery shells toward the disputed western sea border last week.

                        It was the first time that a North Korean drone had been spotted over the western waters, the scene of deadly naval battles in the past decade.

                        "The drone flew over the North's waters, some 20 kilometers north of South Korea's Yeonpyeong islands," said Lt. Col. Won Young-sup at the JCS' public affairs office. He declined to elaborate on the specifications of the North Korean spy plane.

                        S. Korea Studies North's New Battle Tank - Defense News
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by S-2 View Post
                          "The Norks aren't stupid enough to present that kind of a target after studying Iraq 91."

                          We're discussing the North Korean airforce. That airforce will rise, fight and die...as sure as the sun rises in the east.

                          OTOH, if you wish to expand this argument, NKPA armor will stand out like a sore thumb when you consider carefully the constricted, channelized nature of the terrain leading south along with all that's been done by the S. Koreans to accentuate that channelization.

                          Or, alternatively, the NKPA simply don't attack with armor. That won't happen either.
                          Hmm, was thinking maybe after the first few kills the rest high tail it for China and save the aircraft.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
                            Hmm, was thinking maybe after the first few kills the rest high tail it for China and save the aircraft.
                            Save them for what? Unlike the Old Iraqi Air Force which had a lot of relatively useful (if poorly maintained) warplanes, the only birds the KPAF have that are worth saving are the Fulcrums and Frogfoots, and you KNOW that's what the Americans, SKs and maybe JSDF are going to be throwing everything at. I suppose the Hinds are still relevant as well but once again they're going to be hard pressed to survive with all the effort that'd be made to eliminate them.

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                            • #29
                              Mig-23 and Mig-21bis are not worth counting?

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                              • #30
                                hanswu25 reply

                                They may be worth counting for the North Koreans but i dont see the Chinese have any use for them if they hightail it North. Its a mute point anyways, as far as the air war will go, if it takes off and has a Nork roundel on it... it dies within seconds. The Fulcrums may live long enough to work out the aircraft that kills them but thats really as far as it goes.

                                I dont see China pressing 30yold airframes into service when its busy replacing its own Mig21 variants with J10 and J11's. If they got any Mig 29s from the Norks they might play with them fo curiosities sake but i dont see much benefit to be gleamed from them either.

                                The Frogfoot in my eyes would be more useful, a modern Frogfoot variant would make an excellent replacement for the Q5 so they may be interested in having a closer look at them (then again if they really wanted to, they would have already).

                                The best thing Nork pilots could do is to take off, try get over South Korean lines and eject... minimal chance of survival but better than refusing to take off, making a run for it, or worse, trying to mix it up with F22's.
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