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  • #16
    Originally posted by Franco Lolan
    Sorry, I edited the post. So they wouldn't be taking out the sites by themselves?
    No way without breaking their back humping all that ordnance necessary to destroy the targets. They will have a damn time hiding themselves since they will be sticking out like a sore sight to the eye.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
      You've watched way too many movies. There's no way a man could carry that much plastique and detonators and the ammo needed to punch out, assuming that they didn't have to punch in.
      Damn you beat me to the punch!

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      • #18
        thats was quite a peice of info...shocking the least.thanks OOE you gave mybreath back!!!
        What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos?
        The ones in the casinos are serious.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Franco Lolan
          Ok. I was enamored with the idea of hundreds of CIA agents destroying vital infrastructure,personnel, and equipment. LOL, even though I knew that I was unrealistic. Would SOF land on Chinese mainland to destroy objectives such as SAM and Radar sites?

          You stated relatively easy for air to breach SAM defences. How so? Aren't newer batteries such as S-450s and radars very capable?

          I have AP Comparative Politics class tommorow at 6:30 AM, and I have to give a presentation on Political Change in regards to Constitution in the Russian Federation. I will read response during Homeroom. Thank you.
          Seriously, the PRC would be one of the hardest environments for the CIA to operate in I think. And like all the new weapon systems the PLA has been purchasing, the new SAMs aren't around in great enough numbers. Really the most important reform is new combat aircraft, as most of the birds they're flying are dangerously old and pathetically obsolete.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
            Just off the top of my head.

            The new subs - they're going on sea trials at the moment and nowhere near operational. If the MINGs and the HANs are any indication, it will be at least 5-6 years before they shake all the cowebs out (ie, learn to use the thing SAFELY) and it will be another 5-6 years before they learn how to use the things EFFECTIVELY. To suggest that they could bypass this step is ludicrous in the extreme.


            As for the JL-2, the Chinese have stopped working on them.

            The rest of the article continues along these lines. It has not caught up with the fact that the Chinese have suspended deliveries of SU-27s from Russia. Maybe, they're trying to get better models but the fact remains that their numbers are now frozen for at least 3 years.

            Garbage. Just plain garbage.

            Too many misleadings in your comments.

            China has been buillding and using submarines for several decades. The transition to a new sub takes 12 years? If they were China's first generation Subs. it could take such long time.

            As long as 094 was built, then JL-2 will not stop. That's the simple reason.

            China stopped buying Su-27 before the end of the transaction simply because China is building J11 which is a upgrade on SU-27 and domestic J10 goes to productions too. SU-30 are also available to China. Why China still need Russian made SU-27?

            Chinese official media just released news recently and says J11, J10 and JH7A are in the massive production stage.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Franco Lolan
              What is your opinion on in the case of war with the PRC over ROC per se, opening up a Western front? Or SF/paramilitary operations? What influence could they have? I used to think great but because the war would primarily be naval and air, maybe not much. Also, Hanization is wiping out much of base of support for insurgency and the whole deflection politics deal would work out for the Party. What role would US paramilitaries (CIA type) and SOF forces play in the conflict.

              How would you judge US intel HUMINT assets in PRC? (inversely, isn't the PRC owning up the US through spying?)

              Also, what did you think on PRC SAM batteries? Can US/ROC/Japanese AF/etc break through?

              This could be a dream. Xinjiang is covered by LanZhou Military Region and about 1 million semi-PLAs in Xinjiang. Tibet is covered by the Chengdu Military Region. Both places are almost closed to outside by mountains. Maybe CIAs can be dropped there if they are not expected to go back. I also doubt any one like to provide base for US.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by oneman28
                Too many misleadings in your comments.
                BULL CRAP! I've studied the PLA for over 20 years and served in the military for just that long.

                Originally posted by oneman28
                China has been buillding and using submarines for several decades. The transition to a new sub takes 12 years? If they were China's first generation Subs. it could take such long time.
                Yeah? Where are they? Rusting in port. The PLAN is still an INEXPERIENCED sub force, having sufferred an idiotic mistake with the MING not closing a valve and losing the entire crew. So, don't give me that bull crap that the PLAN know what they're doing.

                Originally posted by oneman28
                As long as 094 was built, then JL-2 will not stop. That's the simple reason.
                Yeah? Where are they? Still have major problems with no fixes in sight. The 094 has returned to port and there has been no new teesting of the JL-2 for over two years.

                Originally posted by oneman28
                China stopped buying Su-27 before the end of the transaction simply because China is building J11 which is a upgrade on SU-27 and domestic J10 goes to productions too. SU-30 are also available to China. Why China still need Russian made SU-27?
                Hey, IDIOT! Because they have a CONTRACT! Those SU-27s/30s built in China are based on kits from Russia!

                Originally posted by oneman28
                Chinese official media just released news recently and says J11, J10 and JH7A are in the massive production stage.
                What bullcrap! The J10 are still under trials. The JH7A is an underpowered dog. And the J11 factories are yet to come under full capacity.

                Don't try to snow me! I run the biggest English based PLA watcher forum in the world.

                http://forum.china-defense.com
                Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 26 Apr 05,, 10:46.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by oneman28
                  China has been buillding and using submarines for several decades. The transition to a new sub takes 12 years? If they were China's first generation Subs. it could take such long time.
                  Doesnt matter. China started building SSN's from 74 (Project 091). But the "han" class itself took a long time to be sea worthy. Nonetheless they are noisy and more like tech demonstators. Same thing happened to "Xia" class, its just a lengthened "Han" boat. So Project 94 in essence is an entirely new design and will take the stated time by the Colonel. Just becoz the boat is officially acquired by the service does not mean that its combat ready and sea effective.

                  Chinese official media just released news recently and says J11, J10 and JH7A are in the massive production stage.
                  Massive?? what do you mean??
                  A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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                  • #24
                    "Chinese official media just released news recently and says J11, J10 and JH7A are in the massive production stage."

                    Sure they are.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                      BULL CRAP! I've studied the PLA for over 20 years and served in the military for just that long.

                      Don't try to snow me! I run the biggest English based PLA watcher forum in the world.

                      http://forum.china-defense.com

                      Crap!!. Your knowledge is so limited If you only get source from English media. Most of the above news of development come out in recent 10 years. and all most all of them came from Chinese sources.

                      The MING sub that sunk was doing some testing.

                      Western medias almost knew nothing about DF31 until it was showed in 1999. Most of them just guess it's development stage. But suddenly so many showed in Tiananmen. Even you know 094 was built, how JL2 can be cancelled? 094 is Chinese most important weaponary platform for deterrance. How Chinese can give up this program?

                      Same as Yuan sub, western medias knew it only after so many photoes came out. None of them even know the program. Do you still have faith in the English Media? In today's world, you can only be an frog in a well if you only access english media.

                      The chinese official news about J10, J11 and JF7A just released within one month. Chinese medias seldom release "new" news about weaponary programs if they target domestic market.

                      There is at least one regiment of J10. You know it? That's about 24 fighters! Still in trial?
                      Last edited by oneman28; 26 Apr 05,, 17:53.

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                      • #26
                        And who told you that the Colonel only monitors English or so called western media?? If you want to really understand where he comes from, visit his forum, you'll be educated with real statistics and not propoganda for a change.
                        A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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                        • #27
                          I can do all the replies in the world but your knowledge is so freaking limited that it's worthless. Care to check GlobalSecurity.Org to check just about your dated materials alone?

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                          • #28
                            Exactly. Please don't ever say that OoE's "knowledge is so limited."

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                              I can do all the replies in the world but your knowledge is so freaking limited that it's worthless. Care to check GlobalSecurity.Org to check just about your dated materials alone?

                              Thanks for that web, I checked,

                              Come here:
                              http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/china/icbm.htm

                              http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/wo...f-facility.htm

                              Isn't that a joke?
                              Last edited by oneman28; 26 Apr 05,, 23:23.

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                              • #30
                                A series of report from Chinese official media: (in Chinese)

                                About j10:
                                http://club.backchina.com/main/showthread.php?t=163077

                                About JH7A
                                http://club.backchina.com/main/showthread.php?t=166436

                                About J11B
                                http://club.backchina.com/main/showthread.php?t=163078

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