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  • #31
    [QUOTE=LGB;728549]The current focus on the brigade level to some degree directly or indirectly affects the ability of higher command levels to support rear area security for the combat brigades. Of course a corp commanding three or more combat brigades is essentially a division but with less ability to support it's assigned brigades.[/QUOTE]


    Actually, not so.

    A corps deployable headquarters is going to control multiple assets as a JTF HQ...we no longer see an Army pure formation.

    As a rule, you will not have individual brigade combat teams as direct reportable units to a corps. There will be deployed division headquarters conducting the command and control of those BCTs. Now, for instance, the HQ 3 ID may have 2 of its own BCTs, a BCT from the 101st and a MEU from the Marine Corpsa along with a Fires Brigade, a Comabt Aviation Briagade and Maneuver Enhancement Brigade supported by a Sutainment Brigade fighting alongside the HQ of the 10th ID with 2 of its BCTS and CAB along with 2 NG HBCTs, a Fires BDE, and Engineer Brigade both answering to HQ III Corps which also serves as a JTF HQ controlling those 2 divisions along with a SOCOM element, Intel assets, and Expeditionary Sustainment Command, an ADA Brigade and then perhaps a coalition partner.

    Lets not think that as the Army has gone to BCTs that the other support elements don't exist anymore or that the HQs at DIV and CORPS don't exist either.
    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
    Mark Twain

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    • #32
      Originally posted by LGB View Post
      From what I remember West Germany would have attached reserve mixed regiments to it's active divisions for dedicated rear area security for the division.
      The division had a reserve security battalion to guard its HQ in the field, and two reserve light infantry battalions for dedicated combat missions demanding light infantry as opposed to mechanized infantry - that could have included rear-area of course. These two battalions would have been a strategic reserve of the division for special roles.
      The five reserve replacement battalions of the division would be able to serve in general security functions, such as guarding POWs the division has made, but that was not their role; they would just have been available manpower for such duties.

      The rear-area area defense was the duty of the Territorial Army. If e.g. a Corps-level spearhead would be formed in the Field Army, the Territorial Army would have assigned a couple brigades as rear-area troops in its support.

      If we look at the southern "defense island" described in the post above, that area would essentially have had a full division for this mop-up duty (composed of Area Defense Brigades 55, 65 and 66 under the command of Readiness Command 45 or 46), while the wider area would have kept a (motorized) infantry regiment per 100x100 km map grid for defense in addition to roughly the same amount of forces again in dispersed companies and platoons, and important installations retaining entire battalions for security.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
        It's one book but I recommend 3 others to round out the concept.

        Ralph Peter's The Red Army
        General Sir Hackett's The Third World War
        Harold Coyd's Team Yankee
        Gotta read Red Storm Rising again, been a while (about 20 years); I really liked that book. I attempted to read Hackett's The Third World War, but never finished it (and have since lost it). Another book that you gearheads might like is Larry Bond's Cauldron; nothing new here, but it is a good read.
        "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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        • #34
          Stitch

          Just FYI

          Those of us of the mechanized pursuasion much prefer the term diesel-breath to gearhead.
          “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
          Mark Twain

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
            Just FYI

            Those of us of the mechanized pursuasion much prefer the term diesel-breath to gearhead.
            Duly noted, sir!
            "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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            • #36
              Stitch Reply

              Coyle's Team Yankee and Peters' The Red Army are the best of those four IMV. Clancy excelled in the air and naval war but read sorta clumsy when he got into the manuever stuff. Hackett was the original (and de rigueur) at the time of publishing but didn't get very gritty.
              "This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski
              "The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool." Lester Bangs

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                Just FYI

                Those of us of the mechanized pursuasion much prefer the term diesel-breath to gearhead.
                How about "TrackTard"

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                • #38
                  We call them "tailgate surfers" over here usually. Or more traditionally since WW2 or so "Stoppelhopser", something that either means a small rabbit or little kid - probably something to do with the jumping in and out of the vehicles.

                  Austrians call em "aardvarks" for some reason - in Germany the Flyboys use that for any ground soldier.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                    How about "TrackTard"
                    Pretty funny coming from a jarhead gun bunny!
                    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                    Mark Twain

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                    • #40
                      3rd world war scenarios

                      If the soviets were prepared to attack, why only 5% of they're motor rifle divisions were present in East Germany ?
                      J'ai en marre.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by 1979 View Post
                        3rd world war scenarios

                        If the soviets were prepared to attack, why only 5% of they're motor rifle divisions were present in East Germany ?
                        3d Shock,2nd Tank Guards,20th,8 Tank Guards,1st Tank Guards,8th Tank armies were in EG,IIRC.Add in those in CZ.That's 30+ of the best Soviet Divisions. More like 15% of the Soviet Land Forces.They made for great ''what if'' books.Funny thing is they never win in the books.The capitalist propaganda at its best.
                        Those who know don't speak
                        He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                          .Funny thing is they never win in the books.
                          The Red Army by Ralph Peters..

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                            3d Shock,2nd Tank Guards,20th,8 Tank Guards,1st Tank Guards,8th Tank armies were in EG,IIRC.Add in those in CZ.That's 30+ of the best Soviet Divisions. More like 15% of the Soviet Land Forces.They made for great ''what if'' books.Funny thing is they never win in the books.The capitalist propaganda at its best.
                            I'm familiar with they're ORBAT and TOE , however
                            is it not costumary to have at least two motor rifle divisions for each tank division ?
                            J'ai en marre.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by 1979 View Post
                              I'm familiar with they're ORBAT and TOE , however
                              is it not costumary to have at least two motor rifle divisions for each tank division ?

                              Those were their Category A, active units.

                              It was known they would have to have some more on the long Sino-Soviet Border to keep China quiescent and a large number of the their Catgeory B & C units in the 'Stans to keep their heel on the necks of all those "happy"
                              SSRs!
                              “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                              Mark Twain

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                                Those were their Category A, active units.

                                It was known they would have to have some more on the long Sino-Soviet Border to keep China quiescent and a large number of the their Catgeory B & C units in the 'Stans to keep their heel on the necks of all those "happy"
                                SSRs!
                                So they were not ready...?

                                As a side note the number of B & C units in the 3 military districts bordering us (Romania)
                                was around 14 tank and 23 rifle ( Quoting from memory here ).
                                J'ai en marre.

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