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    paintgun, unlike hollywood stereotype russian surnames mostly end on -ov/ev, so Raptorov or Black Widowov )
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    Quote Originally Posted by drhuy View Post
    now i start to wonder whether its truly a stealth plane? Reduced RCS, for sure. But is it low enough to be 'stealth'. I saw someones claimed its RCS is around 0.5 m2, which is still far too big to be a stealth fighter.
    This thing will have a smaller RCS than a Flanker for sure (I can't imagine they'd make it bigger, lol), but just from looking at the pictures, it's still not even close to the F-22's level of RCS suppression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrey Egorov View Post


    paintgun, unlike hollywood stereotype russian surnames mostly end on -ov/ev, so Raptorov or Black Widowov )
    Don't forget -vich and -sky.

    As for Sukhoi, a couple years I sat in their acrobatic airplane that a guy at my airport owned. It's a one seater, when you sat back in the seat, you were so comfortable, it felt like you were sitting in a recliner. And when you moved the stick there was no "lost movement", if you took one finger and slightly moved the stick left, the controls would respond to it. If this is as well-built an aircraft as that one was, it's a good airplane.

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    jr1, they're Belorussian(or even Polish)
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    This will be a nightmare for the forum administration all around the globe. An avalanche of threads about F-22 vs Pak-Fa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrey Egorov View Post
    jr1, they're Belorussian(or even Polish)
    When I was a kid like most in my generation I had a Nintendo and one of the games I had was Top Gun (very loosely based on the movie). Late '80s/early '90s video games relied heavily on stereotypes (of which Mike Tyson's Punchout takes the cake), and the opposing pilots in the dogfights were all intended Soviet, and from that game for awhile I thought almost every Russian's last name ended in -sky. ) Found the names on the internet:

    Boris "Buzz" Bombzinsky,
    Gorky Skykovsky,
    Igor Gregovich,
    Demitri Jetsky,
    Bobo Bubushka,
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    Quote Originally Posted by rj1 View Post
    When I was a kid like most in my generation I had a Nintendo and one of the games I had was Top Gun (very loosely based on the movie). Late '80s/early '90s video games relied heavily on stereotypes (of which Mike Tyson's Punchout takes the cake), and the opposing pilots in the dogfights were all intended Soviet, and from that game for awhile I thought almost every Russian's last name ended in -sky. ) Found the names on the internet:

    Boris "Buzz" Bombzinsky,
    Gorky Skykovsky,
    Igor Gregovich,
    Demitri Jetsky,
    Bobo Bubushka,
    Stalin Fortimesky,
    and Fearless Leader: Cy Beeria.
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    It looks like a larger modified F-22.

    I wonder if down the road they will develop a stealth bomber, something to rival the B-2.

    Well the Russians have some of the most advanced missiles & subs on earth, I'm sure they have the capability to develop some of the most advanced stealth technology possible (do not discount the fact they are getting help via Indian involvement). I’ll be very surprised if the final T-50 is not at least comparable to the F-22/F-35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rj1 View Post
    When I was a kid like most in my generation I had a Nintendo and one of the games I had was Top Gun (very loosely based on the movie). Late '80s/early '90s video games relied heavily on stereotypes (of which Mike Tyson's Punchout takes the cake), and the opposing pilots in the dogfights were all intended Soviet, and from that game for awhile I thought almost every Russian's last name ended in -sky. ) Found the names on the internet:

    Boris "Buzz" Bombzinsky,
    Gorky Skykovsky,
    Igor Gregovich,
    Demitri Jetsky,
    Bobo Bubushka,
    Stalin Fortimesky,
    and Fearless Leader: Cy Beeria.
    Top Gun was one of the best games for the Nintendo. It was disturbingly hard for my 9 or 10-year old self to shoot down the new Blackjack Bomber!

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    Very nice looking bird Looks prettier than the Raptor which I think only looks good from certain angles. (Now before I get crucified for that remember that whole "eye of the beholder" thing) I dont think anyone here has the ability to gage RCS reduction based on a picture!!!!! But at least it is a serious effort. Users of the Typhoon and and Rafale might be feeling a little uncomfortable this morning!!! But this may be the impetus needed to push further developments of those aircraft. Im thinking specifically about the Typhoon here with regards to AESA Radar, Conformal weapons bays etc.

    What are folks thoughts on a realistic in service date? It sure as heck isnt going to be 2015 as some sites are claiming!!! Also, is this bird required to be carrier capable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebula82 View Post
    It looks like a larger modified F-22.

    I wonder if down the road they will develop a stealth bomber, something to rival the B-2.

    Well the Russians have some of the most advanced missiles & subs on earth, I'm sure they have the capability to develop some of the most advanced stealth technology possible (do not discount the fact they are getting help via Indian involvement). I’ll be very surprised if the final T-50 is not at least comparable to the F-22/F-35.

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    They are getting mainly Financial help from the Indians. And the Indian armament industry mainly licenses products from Russia to build. or buys what it needs from Israel. Russia has the problem of a declining talent drain. many of it's past engineering talent is now retiring and it's younger talent going to work in other countries for a lot more money. Not to mention a serious degrading of it's manufacturing infrastructure.

    While there may be some electronic upgrading by 2015. I highly doubt the airframe will be changed at this stage in the game. Problems I see compared to F-22 is a less stealthy airframe, Inadequate IR suppression, and apparent lack of a iridium-tin oxide canopy to deflect radar waves from the Cockpit. Giving the Russians some benefit of doubt the T-50 may have a RCS value closer to the F-35. But defiantly nowhere near the F-22. But then again it costs a lot less to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Versus View Post
    This will be a nightmare for the forum administration all around the globe. An avalanche of threads about F-22 vs Pak-Fa.
    Very true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas1016 View Post
    They are getting mainly Financial help from the Indians. And the Indian armament industry mainly licenses products from Russia to build. or buys what it needs from Israel. Russia has the problem of a declining talent drain. many of it's past engineering talent is now retiring and it's younger talent going to work in other countries for a lot more money. Not to mention a serious degrading of it's manufacturing infrastructure.

    While there may be some electronic upgrading by 2015. I highly doubt the airframe will be changed at this stage in the game. Problems I see compared to F-22 is a less stealthy airframe, Inadequate IR suppression, and apparent lack of a iridium-tin oxide canopy to deflect radar waves from the Cockpit. Giving the Russians some benefit of doubt the T-50 may have a RCS value closer to the F-35. But defiantly nowhere near the F-22. But then again it costs a lot less to.
    I may be wrong but I doubt Indian scientists and engineers had any role to play in this bird so far.

    The Indian involvement will be on the Indian version of this bird, the FGFA; which will have a different set of avionics and will also see changes to the airframe. India's bird will not be a single seater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tronic View Post
    I may be wrong but I doubt Indian scientists and engineers had any role to play in this bird so far.

    The Indian involvement will be on the Indian version of this bird, the FGFA; which will have a different set of avionics and will also see changes to the airframe. India's bird will not be a single seater.
    That's why is said they are mainly getting financial help from India.

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    My first uneducated impression is not so hot. I would say 7 out of 10.

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