7 years if all goes well. And yet they're talking about it being in service in 3-5. Nobody's trashing the plane, unless this is what they're planning on putting out. As an initial version (ie, YF-22 vs F-22) it's fine.
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Consumer electronics companies have a habit of selling beta-ware to aggressive and stupid customers, leaving them with buggy garbage.
Might it be possible that the PAK-FA will be rushed out the door, sold to a bunch of desperate third-world countries, and an improved/production copy produced domestically or as an upgrade afterwards?
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Originally posted by andrew View PostIt’s a prototype just to confirm the flying characteristics of the chosen form.
Concerning the rivets, what we see is a naked skin which will be covered with RAM coating at later stages.
Just for comparison:
I think the rivets need to be sunk in for that to work. The picture you showed, for example, has that characteristic. It's a production process issue which I guess hasn't been addressed yet at Sukhoi. One of many development items, no doubt.
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Originally posted by citanon View PostAndrew,
I think the rivets need to be sunk in for that to work. The picture you showed, for example, has that characteristic. It's a production process issue which I guess hasn't been addressed yet at Sukhoi. One of many development items, no doubt.
These look to be countersunk (screws and rivers)
Originally posted by Inst View PostConsumer electronics companies have a habit of selling beta-ware to aggressive and stupid customers, leaving them with buggy garbage.
Might it be possible that the PAK-FA will be rushed out the door, sold to a bunch of desperate third-world countries, and an improved/production copy produced domestically or as an upgrade afterwards?
The market might be emerging economies with money to spend, however not all of them will have security justifications right now to invest as the only commercially available plane F-35 is under development, and once complete will be sold to the partner states first. perhaps post 2017? And the only nation operating 5th generation planes is so powerful that a single type of plane will not effect its performance.Attached FilesLast edited by kuku; 01 Feb 10,, 09:22.
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Originally posted by zraver View PostHighsea, did you ever pull up the link I posted showing the rivet treatment?"We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008
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Originally posted by gf0012-aust View Post...what that does mean is that they haven't advanced with composite binding ....
Andrey, I wouldn't put much stock in those line dwgs, they look like the work of some kid. The alignments are wrong."We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008
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Originally posted by highsea View PostAndrey, I wouldn't put much stock in those line dwgs, they look like the work of some kid. The alignments are wrong.
I've read an article about the bird where it was called fifth generation joker in the pack. Which meant absence of engines ("new" four year old 117C is the same AL-31, AL-41F never been born), electronics never got out of the labs and weaponry that doesn't exists either. The airframe itself may be not that bad, but financing is already cut, the whole project considered finished and it exeeded 10 billions already.We're so bad, we're even bad at it
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Originally posted by zraver View PostA couple of pages ago, real good shots of the rivet treatment, I quoted you and said call me the tooth fairy.
Just to clarify the treatments I was referring to, I meant the fit and shape of the doors and access panels, I wasn't expecting RAM on the skin, etc. There's no reason to finish the surface on a prototype. The only place I see any nod to sawtoothing is on the nose gear door, the rest looks conventional.
But thanks for the link, I did go back and check it out. :)"We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008
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