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  • #46
    Some were bought during the war, but most of it was afterwards.
    +1 for me

    What, you think it would take any more than 1 day to take Ashgabad which is as good as on the border and the Turkmens have just a few thousand men. And Aliyevbaijan would hardly hold on longer.
    Iran's army is damn near worthless. Russia in the real world would more then merely guarantee Turkmenistan's sovereignty; Serbia had to commit genocide and earn the disgust of the civilized world for Russia to allow them to bombed. The Azeris all told could probably stomp them; they ain't Georgia and Iran sure as shit ain't Russia.

    Iran took it on the chin from the Taliban after Mazar and the fall of the Hazarajat; a basement full of dead Iranian diplomats (followed by the lack of military response) and starving out the Hazarajat showed what the Taliban thought of Iran's alleged military prowess.

    200 second hand Ukrainian tanks and 60,000 soldiers, now we're frightened.
    On the defense ready to kick ass facing a parade/paper army. In the real world Iran could only move a handful of troops up there, because like the Herat invasions foreign powers would show up to teach Iran a lesson through clinical pistol whipings. So one gets a bunch of paper troops with some parade units thrown in, all of whom have grown lazy kicking around college kids, who wouldn't outnumber their opponents by much and the entire nation open for an ungodly American curb stomping.

    Herat was Iranian territory before collapse of Safavids, Nadir Shah went to re-take it and Uzbeks were plundering all of Northern Iran, that's why military action had to be taken. But the last war was with the Turks.
    Talking about 100 years later when Herat was part of Afghanistan and the Qajars blundered around twice and got ghetto stomped by the UK for their trouble. And Nadir Shah romped into India and made moves to take Ottoman territory; not merely land lost during the fall of the Safavids but stuff lost under Tashamp.
    Last edited by troung; 21 Dec 09,, 20:08.
    To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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    • #47
      Originally posted by troung View Post
      +1 for me
      No because the J-7s were bougth afterwards and no Chinese tanks were ever bought.

      Iran's army is damn near worthless. Russia in the real world would more then merely guarantee Turkmenistan's sovereignty; Serbia had to commit genocide and earn the disgust of the civilized world for Russia to allow them to bombed. The Azeris all told could probably stomp them; they ain't Georgia and Iran sure as shit ain't Russia.

      Iran took it on the chin from the Taliban after Mazar and the fall of the Hazarajat; a basement full of dead Iranian diplomats (followed by the lack of military response) and starving out the Hazarajat showed what the Taliban thought of Iran's alleged military prowess.



      On the defense ready to kick ass facing a parade/paper army. In the real world Iran could only move a handful of troops up there, because like the Herat invasions foreign powers would show up to teach Iran a lesson through clinical pistol whipings. So one gets a bunch of paper troops with some parade units thrown in, all of whom have grown lazy kicking around college kids, who wouldn't outnumber their opponents by much and the entire nation open for an ungodly American curb stomping.

      Talking about 100 years later when Herat was part of Afghanistan and the Qajars blundered around twice and got ghetto stomped by the UK for their trouble. And Nadir Shah romped into India and made moves to take Ottoman territory; not merely land lost during the fall of the Safavids but stuff lost under Tashamp.
      I really have no time to waste, talking to someone as moronic as that.^^

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      • #48
        No because the J-7s were bougth afterwards and no Chinese tanks were ever bought.
        First J-7s arrived in 1987.

        I really have no time to waste, talking to someone as moronic as that.^^
        Let the record reflect, Troung won with a two hit combo.
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        To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
          I really have no time to waste, talking to someone as moronic as that.^^
          The truth hurts doesn't it.
          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
            This has never been a problem for Iran in the past and you think Iran has problems nobody else has?
            And your wars in the past was dependent on controlling the waterwells. Yes, it was a problem then. It's a problem now.

            Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
            Iranians just helped the Moslims to fight Christian paramilitants which were commiting genocide.
            Your guys were just plain mercs out for a good time. I was there.

            Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
            Well, the entire Persian Gulf regeon are Arab dictators backed by America, so naturally they sided with Iraq.
            Boo hoo, nobody helped Iran. Who bought your bloody oil?

            Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
            And every sentence in that article has a citation needed tag on it.
            Done

            Iranian Air Force Equipment

            Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
            horse puckey
            And you're full of it.

            Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
            Some were bought during the war, but most of it was afterwards.
            Nice backstepping here. First, Iran got no help, then a little help, and all the while ignoring the fact that the contract was signed during the heaviest of fighting in the Iran-Iraq War.

            You're in a hole and getting deeper.

            Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
            200 second hand Ukrainian tanks and 60,000 soldiers, now we're frightened.
            You should be. That is a Russian Army in training, doctrine, execution, combined arms, and more importantly, Officered by the Russian Army, everything your army dreams to be.

            Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
            What, you think it would take any more than 1 day to take Ashgabad which is as good as on the border and the Turkmens have just a few thousand men. And Aliyevbaijan would hardly hold on longer.
            Because you have absolutely no clue on how a Russian Army fights. Before your army could even reach the border, the Russian Officers would have did their prep work waiting for you. Do you have any idea how long does it take to move a single division into hostile territory, esepcially when you've never read the map in the first place, never mind where the Russians would set up their defences.

            Take a clue, this is a Russian Army in every sense of the world except one, the wrong flag.

            Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
            As if the fake WMD program of Iraq was a provocation or attack on American people. It was just a lie to use as excuse to go invade another country.
            Read the Declaration of War for crying outloud.

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            • #51
              If this beating continues OOE Sir, I will be forced into contacting the Red Cross to facilitate the necessary measures needed to preserve this mis informed yet dillusional member of the Iranian high school football team before he bleeds out completely from ignorance of facts, experience and total lack of respect for those that do their homework and have had prior in the field experience. All of which he has not.

              HERE FANG!:))
              Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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              • #52
                The WAB community demands an apology for his 1740s comment when cleary as everyone here knows Iran under the Qajars attacked Herat several times in the 19th century and in 1826 invaded Russia.

                Can't bring that weak game here. Expect us not to know and such.
                To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
                  As if the fake WMD program of Iraq was a provocation or attack on American people. It was just a lie to use as excuse to go invade another country.
                  You are playing a game here. Generalities suit you in describing the facts and circumstances of US actions, but when it comes to Iran's actions, you offer minutely detailed explanations and justifications.

                  You should know that WMD was a plausible pretext for going into Iraq and
                  that under the surface there were other reasons which made objective sense when seen in the light of US national interests. Now, I don't believe that you would reject the notion that a country must act to protect its national interests.

                  Surely, Iran is attempting to do so. Wouldn't you agree that Iran justified it's secret assistance to terror groups attacking US interests in the ME in the light of its own interests? Wouldn't you agree that if Iran had the military power of the US it would use it to project its influence over and beyond the region to enhance its security and protect its growing interests? If the obvious answer isn't yes, then you're wasting your time here.
                  To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Kermanshahi View Post
                    No because the J-7s were bougth afterwards and no Chinese tanks were ever bought.
                    Horse puckey!

                    North Korean support for Iran during the Iran?Iraq war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                    Iran could not replace its tank losses during 1983 and 1985. As a result, Iran tended to use tanks largely as artillery or to support infantry, rather than in independent maneuver actions.[6] When it could, it bought more Soviet or Chinese-designed tanks, as well as purpose-built

                    Tanks, sold primarily to the Middle East in the early 1980s, produced the bulk of North Korean sales, principally to Iran. They sold Russian and Chinese tanks, as well as T-54/T-55 Soviet tanks made in North Korea.
                    The T-54 can be recognized by the dome-shaped ventilator on the turret roof, in front of the loader's hatch, which the T-55 lacks
                    A primary recognition feature of the T-62 is the progressively larger gap between sets of road wheels. The very similar T-54/55 has one wide gap between the first and second wheel.

                    Since the late 1970s, North Korea has produced an estimated 600 T-62 tanks, a 1960-vintage Soviet design. [7]It sold some to Iran.[6] It also bought T-62 and modern T-72 tanks from Libya or Syria.[6]

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                    • #55
                      A question about logstics?

                      I would think a military as large as Irans would have enough water tankers. Is the problem getting enough of them (too expensive?) or protecting them and keep water flowing during a conflict?

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by TTL View Post
                        I would think a military as large as Irans would have enough water tankers. Is the problem getting enough of them (too expensive?) or protecting them and keep water flowing during a conflict?
                        I had assumed (from the discussion) that the terrain has desert like conditions & that water source would not be available. So advancing Iranian army would need to carry water with them. This need not be a generic case as armies may have access to water sources depending on the region. To give a naive example the german army would have used volga when It was fighting in stalingrad instead of supplying water from germany.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by troung View Post
                          Can't bring that weak game here. Expect us not to know and such.
                          Im still waiting for any evidence whatsoever that the US embassy in Iran was plotting a coup. He repeatedly asserts it, yet never answers anyone when challenged.

                          It's borderline troll.

                          Though such a fanatical supporter of the Rev. Guard. It's no suprise that the BS continues through. Such a pity. I was really hoping for some remotely educated Iranian input.
                          Ego Numquam

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by TTL View Post
                            I would think a military as large as Irans would have enough water tankers. Is the problem getting enough of them (too expensive?) or protecting them and keep water flowing during a conflict?
                            It's a question of keeping one within reach of the line platoons. The Iranians have never been known about keeping their front lines supplied.

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                            • #59
                              Im still waiting for any evidence whatsoever that the US embassy in Iran was plotting a coup. He repeatedly asserts it, yet never answers anyone when challenged.


                              There was no such coup, Iran both over runs and aggrivates any countries consul that disagrees with the crackpot regime and their flunkies thats in place. They have done it to others beside the US.

                              Watch them scream bloody murder though if anyone were to do it to one of their consuls. Fortunately for Iran we are ten times more civilized then their regime and paid extrememists will ever be now or ever. We even let that little hatred spewing bastard come to the U.N. in New York unmolested when everyone that looks upon him does so with distain and would think nothing of grabbing a hold of him and throttling him but good if given the chance.

                              Cowards are those that enjoy the safety and civilty of descient societies morals and yet treat their own people like trash and spew hatred towards others. Coward.
                              Last edited by Dreadnought; 22 Dec 09,, 14:26.
                              Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                              • #60
                                What do you expect from a kid who has absolutely no clue about modern warfare. To suggest an Iranian foot army has a chance in hell attacking a Russian motorized army is just plain idiotic.

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