China to export advance high-speed rail technology

[Tomluter]

http://www.genewscenter.com/content/...2&NewsAreaID=2

GE and China MOR Sign Strategic MOU to Advance High-Speed Rail Opportunities in the U.S.
Partnership Positions GE as first U.S. High-Speed Rail Locomotive Manufacturer

Erie, Pa., USA and Beijing, China (Nov. 17, 2009) - GE and China’s Ministry of Railways today announced that they signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) to jointly advance high-speed rail (HSR) opportunities in the United States. This collaboration will allow GE Transportation to be the first U.S. locomotive manufacturer to more effectively compete for high-speed rail projects against global competitors. In addition, the partnership would accelerate GE’s passenger rail technologies and create in the near future up to 150 high technology jobs in the U.S. The announcement was made as part of "GE's Clean Technology Week in China" activities.

Lorenzo Simonelli, President and CEO of GE Transportation said, “China is a vital partner to GE Transportation’s future growth, and we find that China’s Ministry of Railways and GE share a common goal – driving high-speed rail technology development more quickly and broadly. We look forward to pursuing this collaboration.”

Tim Schweikert, President of GE Transportation China, said, “High-Speed Rail in the U.S. and in markets worldwide is a significant opportunity for infrastructure and business growth. With the signing of today's framework agreement, GE and China’s Ministry of Railways have provided the basis for a cooperation-focused framework that will enhance economic development, create new jobs and promote research and development for high-speed railway technology.

“While GE currently is the world leader in locomotive diesel-electric and electronic control systems technology, China currently is a leader in high-speed rail technology for speeds of 220 miles per hour. Working together, both parties could develop the best solutions faster to serve America’s high-speed rail needs for many years to come.”

More than $13 billion will be spent over the next five years to support higher- and high-speed rail infrastructure development in the United States. Over the next three years, China will invest about $300 billion into its railways infrastructure, expanding its network by more than 20,000 kilometers, including 13,000 kilometers of track designed for high-speed trains capable of traveling up to 220 miles per hour.

GE currently is working with China’s largest diesel locomotive manufacturing company, CSR Qishuyan Locomotive Co., Ltd., to provide China’s Ministry of Railways with the most technologically advanced, fuel-efficient and low-emissions diesel-electric, heavy-haul locomotive available to date. More than 100 of these locomotives already have been placed in revenue service by the MOR.

This current project as well as past projects in cooperation with China’s Ministry of Railways have sustained and created high technology manufacturing jobs in the U.S. for American workers to manufacture and assemble key components essential to these types of projects.

The signing of the framework agreement on high-speed railway cooperation reflects a partnership expansion between GE and China’s Ministry of Railways and has the potential for 3,500 U.S. jobs to support HSR development. By terms of the framework agreement at least 80% of the content of any potential high-speed locomotives or signaling equipment would be sourced from U.S. suppliers, and all final assembly would be performed in the U.S.

The pics are China's 350km/h CRH3

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[Merlin]

Warren Buffett sees a good future in the railroad industry in the US.

Buffett: Railroad business is 'in tune with the future'

[gunnut]

This new high speed rail is cost effective...where?

[Tomluter]

I think European will not export their tec to U.S., to make a big competitor of themselves. Ariston is not fool.

But there are some compromise? as I heared before, only 60% of the locomotives or equipment will be made in U.S.

It is more adapt to US, than Europe and Japan's system, China's HSR run in more comfortable, more rapid,and run vast extent countries, and on the complex topographic features.

It will take place Japanese and European Standard that are in high price, small countries,shot ranges. And I think U.S. will help us to achieve the purpose,after GE joint us.

[Merlin]

I had bad experience with the railways in China just a few years ago, doing sightseeing on the silk road from Urumqi to Xian.

Two nights I had to sleep overnight on the train in their sleeping compartments for four. I couldn't sleep. The carriages keep banging each other at their steel couplings.

It is just a simple matter adding rubber dampers. This simple arrangement has been in use for more than 50 years.

[Tomluter]

Xi'an to Urumpi is a old backward rail line that like most of rail in China .
for decades, China's railroad give people a bad image.
That is why Chinese goverment put heavy investment in rail system under the economical stimulate plan. huge investment is needed.

For example,Beijing to Shanghai 350km/h (217m/h) HSR line, double line,1318km(812mile),It needs more than 30-billion usd to build. It will take 5 years to build, Before next year end it will be finished. before 2012,Chinese gov will invest 300-billion usd to the HSR system in China.


HSR has huge transport capacity, And it will drive the local economy that along the rail. Whether express way or airline,Nothing can compared to the HSR.

The pic is China's long-term HSR programme(before 2020). (according to the common sense of China, I believe it will be ahead of schedule). Then, travel time between random 2 Chinese cities will be not excess of 1 day.

[gunnut]

We don't need high speed passenger railway except for maybe the northeast corridor. Our population density is simply too low. The construction of a new railway, which cannot be used to serve a different route, unlike a jetliner, is simply inefficient.

[axeman]

We don't need high speed passenger railway except for maybe the northeast corridor. Our population density is simply too low. The construction of a new railway, which cannot be used to serve a different route, unlike a jetliner, is simply inefficient.

Not if the plan is metro to metro. Indian Railway's is making (or has already made, perhaps) a high-speed, direct train service between the big cities. Granted, the population density surpasses America's by a long way, but it is possible for such a plan to be worked out.

[xinhui]

Our population density

China's Tibet railroad has little to do with population density.

[gunnut]

Not if the plan is metro to metro. Indian Railway's is making (or has already made, perhaps) a high-speed, direct train service between the big cities. Granted, the population density surpasses America's by a long way, but it is possible for such a plan to be worked out.

The problem is not only do we have very low population density, and low population. We also have an extensive road network and car ownership is near universal.

High speed train travel has very little use in the US other than commute in the northeast.

China's Tibet railroad has little to do with population density.

If we're talking about political motives...then all bets are off. Obama needs to placate to his union backers and kiss the Chinese's collective ass.

However, economically, high speed train makes little sense in the US.

[xinhui]

China's railroad give people a bad image.

Not a good justification for investing 300 billion USD on rail. I would take economic growth over bad image anyday.


No, it is GE -- it loves China, ehhh, I mean money.

[xinhui]

Here is a good vid.


China's $300 billion bullet train - Video - Fortune

[gunnut]

Not a good justification for investing 300 billion USD on rail. I would take economic growth over bad image anyday.


No, it is GE -- it loves China, ehhh, I mean money.

California just passed a bond measure, authorizing the state to borrow $10 billion as a down payment for a high speed line linking LA to SF. This down payment is less than 10% of the projected cost.

I'm all for growth. But the reality is with all the environmental impact analysis and what not, and the relatively small population it serves, this line simply is not worth $100 billion.

Interestingly enough, if you look at the voting results by county, you'll see that only LA and SF and their immediate surrounding counties voted for this bond. The rest of California voted against it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor...ition_1A_(2008)

[Tarek Morgen]

I think European will not export their tec to U.S., to make a big competitor of themselves. Ariston is not fool.

But there are some compromise? as I heared before, only 60% of the locomotives or equipment will be made in U.S.

It is more adapt to US, than Europe and Japan's system, China's HSR run in more comfortable, more rapid,and run vast extent countries, and on the complex topographic features.

It will take place Japanese and European Standard that are in high price, small countries,shot ranges. And I think U.S. will help us to achieve the purpose,after GE joint us.

uh you do know that this CRH3 is not a Chinese but a German Design (Siemens Velaro), mostly based on the ICE3?

[Merlin]

Xi'an to Urumpi is a old backward rail line that like most of rail in China .
for decades, China's railroad give people a bad image.
That is why Chinese goverment put heavy investment in rail system under the economical stimulate plan. huge investment is needed.

Chair's airline system has improved by leaps and bounds, but not the railroad system which generally remains like decades ago, except the highly developed east coast areas.

There is an increasing number of foreign tourists, especially those who are ethnic Chinese, going for the Silk Road tours. And a part of the travel is on the Xian to Urumqi rail line because of the very long distance.