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  • WikiLeaks cables reveal Afghan-Pakistani row over fugitive rebel


    Hamid Karzai accused of sheltering Balochistan insurgency leader Brahamdagh Bugti, leaked dispatches report


    Afghanistan's president, Hamid Karzai, has been sheltering a Pakistani rebel for several years, much to the annoyance of Pakistan's generals, US embassy cables show.

    Brahamdagh Bugti, a leader of the nationalist insurgency in Balochistan province, emerges as a pawn in often stormy relations between Kabul and Islamabad that are spiced with intrigue and failed American efforts to broker a solution.

    A stream of Pakistani demands for Bugti's return are stonewalled by Karzai; Bugti is accused of kidnapping a senior UN official; and the Islamabad CIA station chief is roped into an initiative to move Bugti to Ireland that turns out to be based on a false promise.

    Bugti's case was a "neuralgic" one for Pakistani generals, Americans believed. The Bugtis are at the forefront of a rebellion that seeks greater economic and political autonomy for Balochistan, Pakistan's largest but least developed province.

    The 20-something rebel fled Pakistan in 2006 after surviving a military assault that killed his grandfather, Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti. Since then Pakistani generals have frequently accused Kabul of secretly sheltering the young rebel.

    In 2007, General Pervez Musharraf said Bugti was "enjoying freedom of movement to commute between Kabul and Kandahar, raising money and planning operations against Pakistani security forces".

    When the US assistant secretary of state, Richard Boucher, said Karzai had promised that nobody would be allowed to use Afghan territory to attack Pakistan, Musharraf replied: "That's bullshit."

    The controversy touches on one of the Pakistani military's core fears: that India could use Afghan-based proxy forces to foment upheaval in Pakistan.

    In 2007 Musharraf said he had "ample proof" of Indian and Afghan support for Bugti; the prime minister, Shaukat Aziz, said Bugti had travelled to Delhi on a fake Afghan passport.

    American analysis suggests the fear of Indian meddling helps explain Pakistan's support for militant proxies such as the Afghan Taliban; a view supported by a veiled threat Musharraf issued through a US diplomat. "If India wants to continue, let's see what our options will be," he reportedly said.

    Karzai, meanwhile, has refused to bend to Pakistani demands to surrender Bugti, accusing Islamabad of using the issue to deflect attention from its support of the Taliban. "Fomenting uprising does not make one a terrorist," he said in one meeting before asking US officials to stop taking notes because the matter was "too sensitive".

    In public, Afghan officials have consistently denied sheltering Bugti, but in a meeting with a senior UN official in February 2009, Karzai "finally admitted that Brahamdagh Bugti was in Kabul", the cables recorded.

    The admission followed the kidnapping of a senior American UN official, John Solecki, in Balochistan. After Solecki was snatched from Quetta, Balochistan's capital, in early February, Pakistan's army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, told the US he had phone intercepts that proved Bugti had orchestrated the kidnapping.

    If we can reliably intercept Bugti's calls on kidnapping of the American then we surely must have other intercepts also regarding bugti getting support from india

    On 15 February, the US asked the UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, to call Karzai , urging him to speak with Bugti and have Solecki released. Karzai agreed, but said he doubted Bugti was involved. US officials later complained that Karzai was blocking American contact with the rebel.

    Solecki was released on 4 April in Balochistan. Speaking to the Guardian by phone later that year, Bugti denied any role in the kidnapping, but admitted he was leading the fight against Pakistan's army.

    "We want ownership of our own resources, our land, our coastal belt – nothing else," he said. "We want to solve this problem politically; nobody wants to use the gun. But because of what is happening the armed struggle is necessary." Bugti declined to say where he was speaking from.

    Bugti supporters say he is under tight Pakistani surveillance in Kabul and so, fearing for his life, they tried to move him to safer exile last December, the cables showed.

    In Islamabad, one of Bugti's uncles told US and UN officials that the "deputy prime minister" of Ireland had unofficially agreed to grant Bugti asylum. This information triggered a meeting between a senior UN official and the US ambassador.

    Subsequently the CIA station chief met with the head of Pakistan's intelligence service (ISI), General Shuja Pasha, to discuss the matter. But Pasha blocked the initiative, saying Bugti should be forced to "return to Pakistan to stand trial for his crimes", and the US and UN dropped the idea.

    "While getting Bugti out of Afghanistan is still a good idea, we do not believe UNHCR should be involved," the cable noted, referring to the UN refugee agency.

    However, the entire scheme may have been based on nothing. The uncle told the Guardian he had never claimed to have secured asylum for his nephew in Ireland. "This is news to me," he said. "I have no knowledge or information about this."

    The substantial, if publicly underplayed, US strategic interest in Balochistan is reflected in the number of cables on the province. Balochistan contains vast and largely untapped mineral resources, Taliban training camps, and is a major route for US military supplies being trucked into Afghanistan, second only to the Khyber Pass. Balochistan is also home to a secretive desert airstrip used by the CIA to launch drone attacks on al-Qaida and Taliban targets in the tribal belt.

    By removing Bugti from Afghanistan US officials believe they could remove an "irritant" in Pakistan-Afghanistan relations. They also fear he could be traded against other militants of greater interest.

    Last February, after the arrest of the senior Taliban leader Mullah Barader in Karachi, US diplomats said to "watch out for consideration of some type of exchange of Barader with Bugti".

    But Barader remains in Pakistani custody and Bugti may no longer be in Afghanistan. A senior western official in Islamabad said the rebel had applied for asylum in France, which was refused, and in Norway, where the application was pending. A senior UN official said Bugti was sheltering in the United Arab Emirates; a human rights official said he sometimes travels to Geneva. Also, the diplomats said, Pakistan's military chiefs – Kayani and Pasha – would be reluctant to lose a "huge potential propaganda pawn in Barader".

    The cable said that while Bugti may be a core issue at some political level, the "truths Barader could tell about ISI not to mention a host of other Pakistani notables, likely outweigh any potential wins in bringing Bugti to Pakistani justice".

    The allegations appear to be accurate. In a January 2007 meeting with assistant secretary of state Richard Boucher, Karzai said that more than 200 Bugtis had fled Pakistan into Afghanistan. He had advised them to seek asylum with the UN but many were frightened and had gone into hiding.

    WikiLeaks cables reveal Afghan-Pakistani row over fugitive rebel | World news | The Guardian
    Last edited by Agnostic Muslim; 02 Jan 11,, 19:29. Reason: removed added comment.
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    • A.M. Reply

      "...The 20-something rebel fled Pakistan in 2006 after surviving a military assault that killed his grandfather, Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti. Since then Pakistani generals have frequently accused Kabul of secretly sheltering the young rebel...

      ...American analysis suggests the fear of Indian meddling helps explain Pakistan's support for militant proxies such as the Afghan Taliban; a view supported by a veiled threat Musharraf issued through a US diplomat. 'If India wants to continue, let's see what our options will be,' he reportedly said.

      Karzai, meanwhile, has refused to bend to Pakistani demands to surrender Bugti, accusing Islamabad of using the issue to deflect attention from its support of the Taliban...."


      Wow! Sure reads like this has legs. While it really doesn't connect India to any malfeasance, Bugti's presence in Kabul with some of his compatriots would certainly suggest the GIRoA finally decided to develop a counter-wedge to the presence of the afghan taliban on Pakistani sanctuary. Afterall, 2006 is rather late in the game compared to an afghan taliban presence that's enjoyed the protection of Pakistani sanctuary literally since the day they were driven from Afghanistan in late 2001. Finally it took the attacks of Pakistani security forces upon Bugti's grandfather on August 26, 2006 to provoke such flight.

      Nothing particularly proprietary about proxies. I guess what goes around comes around.

      This was interesting-

      "...Note the indian connection , Bugti would not get travel documents wihtout [sic] Karzai's knowledge and also india's knoweldge to where he was heading..."

      A bit of gratuitous analysis that's not actually a part of the GUARDIAN's article. Valuable commentary given the recent arrest of Nasiruddin Haqqani- purportedly HQN's bagman between the U.A.E. and Pakistan. I suppose Haqqani didn't regularly travel between Pakistan and the U.A.E. without the knowledge and support of both governments given the above inserted commentary.

      A.M., would you please avoid adding such unattributed commentary to your articles in the future? That analysis is your's, not the GUARDIAN's and should have been noted as such. Of course, you know that as both a scholar and mod on another board how frowned upon plagerizing or editing commentary without attribution can be.

      What caught my attention was the run-on sentence, spelling error and poor punctuation placement.;)
      Last edited by S2; 02 Jan 11,, 17:58.
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      • Originally posted by S-2 View Post

        "...Note the indian connection , Bugti would not get travel documents wihtout [sic] Karzai's knowledge and also india's knoweldge to where he was heading..."

        A bit of gratuitous analysis that's not actually a part of the GUARDIAN's article. Valuable commentary given the recent arrest of Nasiruddin Haqqani- purportedly HQN's bagman between the U.A.E. and Pakistan. I suppose Haqqani didn't regularly travel between Pakistan and the U.A.E. without the knowledge and support of both governments given the above inserted commentary.

        A.M., would you please avoid adding such unattributed commentary to your articles in the future? That analysis is your's, not the GUARDIAN's and should have been noted as such. Of course, you know that as both a scholar and mod on another board how frowned upon plagerizing or editing commentary without attribution can be.

        What caught my attention was the run-on sentence, spelling error and poor punctuation placement.;)
        Not my comment, but that of the poster who formatted the article and posted it on defence.pk. I believe it was highlighted in his post, but the highlight got lost in the copy-paste. It was easier to copy it from his post instead of the Guardian since it saved me from formatting ...

        Has been rectified, and the Indian connection (if any) was not one I was highlighting.
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        • Originally posted by S-2 View Post

          Wow! Sure reads like this has legs. While it really doesn't connect India to any malfeasance, Bugti's presence in Kabul with some of his compatriots would certainly suggest the GIRoA finally decided to develop a counter-wedge to the presence of the afghan taliban on Pakistani sanctuary. Afterall, 2006 is rather late in the game compared to an afghan taliban presence that's enjoyed the protection of Pakistani sanctuary literally since the day they were driven from Afghanistan in late 2001. Finally it took the attacks of Pakistani security forces upon Bugti's grandfather on August 26, 2006 to provoke such flight.

          Nothing particularly proprietary about proxies. I guess what goes around comes around.
          If this was the first time the Afghans had chosen to interfere in Pakistani affairs your excuses for the US and Afghan leadership clearly sheltering terrorists in Afghanistan might have 'legs' - but the fact is that the Afghans sheltered the Baluch rebels during the first Baluch insurgency, and subsequently also tried to incite a 'Pashtunistan uprising' in FATA and the NWFP that failed.

          While this is the clearest evidence yet of Afghan and US offical knowledge of Baluch terrorists finding sanctuary in Afghanistan, Pakistan has had to deal with Afghan terrorist havens and supprot for terrorists and insurgents for a long time.
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          • A.M. Reply

            "If this was the first time the Afghans had chosen to interfere in Pakistani affairs your excuses for the US and Afghan leadership clearly sheltering terrorists in Afghanistan might have 'legs' - but the fact is that the Afghans sheltered the Baluch rebels during the first Baluch insurgency, and subsequently also tried to incite a 'Pashtunistan uprising' in FATA and the NWFP that failed."

            Would this be in Afghanistan's past history? If so, I consider GIRoA use of Baloch separatists an appropriate counter-weight to Pakistan. I've seen nothing to indicate the Karzai regime tolerated such between 2002-2006. Given Pakistan's continued intransigence and callousness regarding Afghanistan, we must, however, expect such will continue. That's only natural.

            In light of the articles provided by 1980s suggesting the breadth of human rights abuses inside Balochistan and the long history of Baloch separatist aspirations, it's evident that this latest rebellion is far more than the usual claims by the GoP of greedy, self-interested sardars seeking to enrich their own pockets.

            "While this is the clearest evidence yet of Afghan and US offical knowledge of Baluch terrorists finding sanctuary in Afghanistan, Pakistan has had to deal with Afghan terrorist havens and supprot for terrorists and insurgents for a long time."

            I don't know how much U.S. official knowledge we have on the matter. That's clear from the article it is rather minimal. It's also clear that we've been forthcoming on the matter with Pakistani security officials. Finally it's not at all clear whether Bugti remains in Afghanistan. Do you know for a fact if he does? If so, how?

            Still, you avoid the latest precedent set against the U.N./ISAF/GIRoA by harboring the afghan taliban since 2001. That's a full five years before any hint of Afghan involvement with Baloch separatists. You also avoid Pakistan's one-sided role in the Afghan civil war following the Soviet retreat. Lastly, when it comes to the use of Baloch terror, we've the recent interesting allegations made by the Iranian government against the government of Pakistan.
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            • Originally posted by S-2 View Post
              Would this be in Afghanistan's past history? If so, I consider GIRoA use of Baloch separatists an appropriate counter-weight to Pakistan. I've seen nothing to indicate the Karzai regime tolerated such between 2002-2006. Given Pakistan's continued intransigence and callousness regarding Afghanistan, we must, however, expect such will continue. That's only natural.

              In light of the articles provided by 1980s suggesting the breadth of human rights abuses inside Balochistan and the long history of Baloch separatist aspirations, it's evident that this latest rebellion is far more than the usual claims by the GoP of greedy, self-interested sardars seeking to enrich their own pockets.
              Indeed. The Afghans may see Baluch rebels as a counter-weight to Pakistan's harbouring of the Afghan Taliban but that still by no means amounts to either the cause or sustenance of the Baluch rebellion, which is indigenous and draws upon their own aspirations and grievances against Pakistan. The relationship between Baluch and Afghans is historic in anycase and pre-dates the inception of Pakistan by centuries. Baluchestan as an independent state disappeared in the mid-19th century, then again in 1948 when Qalat state was swallowed-up by Pakistan (forcibly). There lies the foundation of the present conflct, not Hamid Karzai giving shelter to the younger Bugti in 2006 or 2007.

              Because Pakistan has no history before the 1940s it is not surprising to me to see that many Pakistanis cannot appreciate or understand history beyond that point. Looking at history in isolation from earlier periods and starting from the 40s onwards is, well, flawed, given that the Baluch conflict in particular has a continuous history of rebellions for a century of which the present is just another phase of. Just taking history from the 40s onwards it might look like, from the perspective of a Pakistani, that Afghan regimes of the past (and perhaps present too?) are unduly meddling in Pakistan's affairs with regards to their relationship, active or passive, with Baluch nationalists, rebels, and "terrorists". But this of course, however, fails to take into account the bigger picture of the Baluch narrative, and indeed, the Afghan one too; that Baluch are older than Pakistan, do not want to be Pakistani and object to Pakistani policy, deprivation and sense of 'ownership' over the Baluch.

              Hamid Karzai, or even the Najibullah's or Daoud Khan's of the past for that matter, are not the cause of those resentments, nor the substance.

              This is quite unlike the Pakistani relationship with Hekmatayar, Haqqani and Mullah Omar, past and present, however. Tools for Pakistan's quest for "strategic depth". If Karzai's regime has attempted to respond by facilitating the younger Bugti 3 or 4 years ago, then the Pakistanis can hardly complain or expect anything else given their own shameful record from what has been revealed about their 20 years worth of subterfuge and subversion over Afghanistan. All of which continues even now.

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              • Continued from a different thread:

                Originally posted by Tronic
                Kashmir has been happening since 1989, Indian support to Pakistani separatists or not. I ask you, even if we are to agree that Indian support to BLA exists; it would be the logical reaction, looking at Kashmir, on India's part, no?
                No, I am failing to see the logic of the supposed "logical reaction" here: Kashmir is geographically adjacent to Pakistan, Balochistan is not. The infiltration and insurgency in Kashmir can be carried out though the support of the Pak armed forces sitting right across the LoC, the same is not true for Balochistan. Kashmir represents a continum of cultural links to both India and Pakistan, India has little to no cultural links with Balochistan today.

                The "logical reaction" to Pak involvement in Kashmir, if any, would have been to boost up the "Jeyo Sindh!" movement, or to "share out" the Maoist/Naxalite Movement with the vast numbers of landless laborers in Pakistani Punjab. But methinks India has learnt its lesson on these petite games and will not play with such fire unless/until it is ready to back it up with full force of its national policy; even then the underlying problem must represent a threat to its core well-being (ex. economic stressors prior to 1971 Indo-Pak War). In any Balochi insurgency India plays, at best, a secondary role with the tacit blessings of more local and/or powerful players.

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                • Quetta Shura is now Karachi Shura

                  By Ali K Chishti

                  In the light of recent revelations published by an American journal about Mulla Omar, who reportedly suffered a serious cardiac problem and underwent a major operation in Karachi, Daily Times would like to reminds its readers that it was Daily Times that first published a series of reports about certain Arab diplomats and the presence of the members of the Quetta Shura in Karachi.

                  Karachi, Pakistan’s financial hub, which has been struck by a series of ethnic, political and sectarian killings, which claimed more than 300 lives in the last two months, also happens to be the city where more than two dozens of the top al Qaeda, Taliban and TTP leaders have been caught. The list includes Quetta Shura number two Mullah Baradar, who only recently was claimed to have been let go for negotiations with other top terrorist leaders. It should also be noted that out of nine supposedly caught Quetta Shura members, five had been caught from Karachi alone.

                  There had been reports that most of the Afghan Taliban frontier leadership had been sheltered in Karachi under a Pakistani security establishment’s secret programme, the ‘New Karachi Project’. The whole notion that somehow most of the leadership of the Taliban was stationed in Quetta was a “proxy”, a top NATO source told Daily Times. “In reality its the Karachi Shura.”

                  Intense investigations reveal that the whole project that initially started as “India centric” has actually taken a global dimension. It was somewhere in 2003, under intense US pressure, that ‘Forward Section 23’ in Azad Kashmir was closed, which provided ‘cover and refugee to top militants’. It was only after the closure of Forward Section 23, the ISI section in Karachi became the hub for anti-India activities from where the Mumbai train bombing to 26/11 were orchestrated. It should be remember that the boat used to travel to Mumbai to carry out the terrorist attack was bought from Karachi as well.

                  The ‘Karachi Project’ was confirmed by recent revelations from a double agent, David Headley, who had been involved in carrying out the 26/11 massacre in Mumbai. He said in a recent testimony that he works under the direct supervision of Pakistan’s top intelligence agency, the ISI, which shelters infamous Mumbai mobster Daud Ibrahim to Tiger Memon, to the top tier leadership of the Taliban, which includes Mullah Omar. This explains a top Middle Eastern intelligence official’s secret visit to Karachi, who was actively facilitating the negotiation process between Karzai, the US and the Afghan Taliban. It should be remembered that Mullah Baradar was caught from a Sunni-Deobandi-run religious seminary in Karachi. The seminary, Khudamul Quran, is located 10 to 25kms from the toll plaza on the Super Highway in the jurisdiction of the Lonikot police station in Hyderabad, which is under the influence of Jamaat-e-Islami and the JUI-F, whose leaders had previously been caught sheltering high-profile al Qaeda leaders like Sheikh Khaled Muhammad – the 9/11 mastermind. It is shelters like this particular seminary, along with many other “safe houses”, that are termed as “strategic assets” by the Pakistani security establishment.

                  The Taliban are known to have moved elements of their command to Karachi to avoid potential US targeting in Predator airstrikes, where Mullah Omar is thought to be in a safe house in Karachi, under the protection of the ISI. Since the beginning of February, the authorities have captured seven senior members of the Taliban Shura, including Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, the deputy of Mullah Omar, and four Taliban shadow governors of Afghan provinces, which include names such as Maulvi Abdul Kabir (shadow governor of Nangarhar province), Mullah Abdul Qayyum Zakir, who used to co-supervise the military affairs of the militia, Mullah Muhammad Hassan, a former foreign minister in the Taliban regime, Mullah Abdul Rauf, the former chief operational commander of the Taliban in northeastern Afghanistan, Mullah Ahmad Jan Akhundzada, the former governor of Zabul province and Mullah Muhammad Younis, an ex-Kabul police chief.
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                  Road to Kabul run from Srinagar , this is how Pakistan justify its all means, for the quest of stretegic depth in Afghanistan. But for an Afghanistan well wisher it shouldn't be running from Queta or Karachi?
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                  • Surprising that this article is published by dailytimes. This would certainly piss of the establishment in pakistan

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                    • The Daily Times says it all.

                      It gives details including what David Headley has confessed.

                      All these activities are the handiwork of the ISI. One wonders if the civil govt knows about it. Maybe and maybe not.

                      It is not so surprising if the civil govt is kept in the dark. There is the recent example where it was said that Hu had no idea that the Chinese military tested their Stealth aircraft, just before Mr Gates visit to China.

                      Too complex.

                      Or the civil govts are are acting coy.
                      Last edited by Ray; 20 Jan 11,, 16:12.


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                      • Originally posted by IND76 View Post
                        Surprising that this article is published by dailytimes. This would certainly piss of the establishment in pakistan
                        The Daily Times is a very liberal news outlet that often publishes anti-establishment commentary. This would not be the first time.
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                        • Originally posted by Ray View Post
                          The Daily Times says it all.

                          It gives details including what David Headley has confessed.
                          Actually it offers no new details regarding what 'David Headley has confessed' - it merely regurgitates the unsubstantiated allegations made in the Indian media regarding alleged Headley 'interrogations by Indian officials'.

                          Following is a link to Headley's plea agreement that contains details revealed by him - where are the allegations claimed by India?

                          http://www.hindu.com/nic/headleyplea.pdf

                          Nor does Ali K Chishti substantiate his case for the existence of the 'Karachi Shura' beyond regurgitating the unsubstantiated news about Omar's cardiac arrest and treatment, and referring to prior arrests of Mullah Baradar etc.
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                          • Is there any rebuttal to the Daily Times article?

                            Is there no Press Council of Pakistan which takes up falsifying of facts, if indeed Dail Times is guilty of that?


                            "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                            I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

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                            • Originally posted by Cactus
                              You are making it too complex. How does it matter whether it was done with or without the knowledge and blessings of Pak civil authorities? It is not as if anyone has had much success balancing their civil vs military authorities.
                              One has to attempt to understand a situation and not merely go by one's own perceptions. If one's own perceptions are the sole inputs to understand a situation, then one wonders, how far that would embrace the truth.

                              In so far as Pakistan is concerned and it is also mentioned by none other than the President of Pakistan, Gen Musarraf's in his book that the Army acted (of course before his time as he says) on occasions, on its own. In short, there are multiple centres of power and they do not always act in concert or speak in the same voice.


                              Let us learn to deal with it -or live with it- as it affects us (Non-Paks), rather than get bogged down in the intricacies of how Paks work/dont-work internally. In another thread you were admiring the Chinese patience and pragmatism: Imitation (at least wrt P'stan) would be the sincerest form of flattery.
                              The first part of your post is anwered above.

                              I find nothing wrong in praising the Chinese. If there is something good that one can learn from others, then one should learn.


                              "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

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                              • Originally posted by Ray View Post
                                Is there any rebuttal to the Daily Times article?
                                My earlier post pointed out the flaws in the article.
                                Is there no Press Council of Pakistan which takes up falsifying of facts, if indeed Dail Times is guilty of that?
                                There is not, and you are likely well aware of the controversy the media in Pakistan generates with many of its claims about politicians and their shenanigans that go uncorrected.

                                As far as an official refutation of the claims is concerned, the ISPR has offered that already, as has the Pakistani Ambassador to the US.

                                ISPR denies Mullah Omar’s treatment in Karachi – The Express Tribune

                                Report about Omar
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