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  • New Chinese Assault Rifle

    It seems the Chinese may have found the QBZ-95 to be insufficent in certain cases and have designed a coventional rifle. Anyways, it looks much better then the QBZ-95.


    Modern Firearms - Type 03 / QBZ-03 assault rifle

  • #2
    Still fires the same round and looks to be a much more conventional design like the AK47 family.
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    • #3
      it looked like almost the same to me???
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      • #4
        Isn't that the QBZ-03, which is the QBZ-95 technology fitted to a non-bullpup rifle frame? That's been out for ages now.

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        • #5
          So this means the next bullpup advocate that says no one's switched back can be called on it now, right?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Inst View Post
            Isn't that the QBZ-03, which is the QBZ-95 technology fitted to a non-bullpup rifle frame? That's been out for ages now.
            I only found out about it now. It looks like certain units will be getting them, it's unclear whether it will replace the QBZ-95. It does create logistics problems having two main rifles. It would be nice to find more info about the abilities of the 5.8mm round.
            Last edited by Ermac; 12 Oct 09,, 21:10.

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            • #7
              Type 03 has been in service for over 5 years now and it has more in common with the Type 87. Type 87 only enjoy a 100,000 production run, an extremely small scale by Norinco standard.


              Type 03 is being issued to Border patrol and 2nd line units -- it is cheaper to produce than the Type95 and PLA won't have to retrain all those AK clone users to bullpup
              “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by xinhui View Post
                Type 03 has been in service for over 5 years now and it has more in common with the Type 87. Type 87 only enjoy a 100,000 production run, an extremely small scale by Norinco standard.


                Type 03 is being issued to Border patrol and 2nd line units -- it is cheaper to produce than the Type95 and PLA won't have to retrain all those AK clone users to bullpup
                I thought the Type 87 was expiremental?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ermac View Post
                  I thought the Type 87 was expiremental?
                  100,000 is experimental according to the Norinco standard. Hainan Garrison is one of the few known user of the Type 87
                  “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FOG3 View Post
                    So this means the next bullpup advocate that says no one's switched back can be called on it now, right?
                    Malaysia done that already, FOG. Switched from AUG to M-4.
                    All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Triple C View Post
                      Malaysia done that already, FOG. Switched from AUG to M-4.
                      Fair enough.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Triple C View Post
                        Malaysia done that already, FOG. Switched from AUG to M-4.
                        But it's different ammo, isn't it? Or does the AUG fire standard M855/SS109 ammo?
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                        • #13
                          Same ammo. They just weren't happy with the quality of the guns they were getting. If memory serves, they felt they got shafted because their AUG were 4 MOA plus weapons.
                          All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
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