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  • #76
    Well good, bad or ugly, the LCS program moves ahead

    From NavyNewstand

    From Naval Sea Systems Command Office of Corporate Communications

    WASHINGTON (NNS) -- As a result of the Navy's change in acquisition strategy for the Fiscal Year (FY) 2010 Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) program, the Navy can now release the pricing for LCS 3 and LCS 4 awarded contracts.

    The total value of the LCS 3 contract, awarded to Lockheed Martin Corporation on March 23, was $470,854,144 which includes ship construction, non-recurring construction and additional engineering effort, configuration management services, additional crew and shore support, special studies and post delivery support.

    The total value of the LCS 4 contract, awarded to General Dynamics - Bath Iron Works on May 1, was $433,686,769 which includes ship construction, non-recurring construction and additional engineering effort, configuration management services, additional crew and shore support, special studies and post delivery support.

    The contract values do not include government costs which include government furnished equipment, change orders, and program management support costs. The contract values do not include the cost of continuation work and material used from the terminated original contract options for LCS 3 and 4. The value of the continuation work and material from the terminated LCS 3 was $78 million for Lockheed Martin Corporation and $114 million from the terminated LCS 4 for General Dynamics/Bath Iron Works.

    The dollar value of the fixed-price-type contracts awarded to each LCS prime contractor to procure two LCS seaframes in FY 2009 was previously considered source-selection sensitive information because the price of the FY 2009 ships was to be linked to the competitive solicitation for the FY 2010 ships. That solicitation was cancelled and a new acquisition strategy does not link the FY 2009 prices with the FYs 2010-2014 source selection, thereby allowing normal release of this contract data.

    The Navy remains committed to the LCS program and the requirement for 55 of these ships to provide combatant commanders with the capability to defeat anti-access threats in the littorals, including fast surface craft, quiet submarines and various types of mines. The Navy's acquisition strategy will be guided by cost and performance of the respective designs as well as options for sustaining competition throughout the life of the program.


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    • #77
      Did they release which hull they will choose for the future LCS? Freedom or Independence?
      Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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      • #78
        ^^Not yet, they are building 2 of each type and will have operational evaluations of each before choosing. Who knows how long that'll take.
        You know JJ, Him could do it....

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
          Did they release which hull they will choose for the future LCS? Freedom or Independence?
          28 each
          "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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          • #80
            If the LCS is going to be operating in a truly shallow water environment (e.g. <50ft) what subs would she encounter?
            Well if you expecting an LCS to go up against nuclear submarines then there aren't many she would encounter. Desiel subs though, I would venture that there are enough ballsy desiel boat commanders out there that wouldn't blink an eye at sitting quiet in 50ft of water waiting for some target to cross his path.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
              Did they release which hull they will choose for the future LCS? Freedom or Independence?
              Originally posted by gunnut
              28 each
              While 28 of each may have been the stated goal with all else being equal, the skimmer navy will ensure that LCS-1 wins the downselect next year. Chalk it up to historical bias, or institutional inertia, or whatever, but it's a given LCS-1 will win the downselect. And after the winds start blowing their way, you can bet Lockheed won't just settle for whatever simply comes to them.
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              • #82
                Re CAT/Tri type hulls. ASW related work has been done on trials with HSV1 on the initial lease. She was involved with ASW activity off of the west coast of africa some 4 years ago.

                although it was by no means exhaustive, the reports about capability for the CAT hull hunting some Nth Korean Romeos sniffing around was quite useful.

                I would assume that there is obviously a lot more classified material on this, but the reports I've seen for public release were still quite positive - and this was well before the LCS concept had even been flagged.

                I'd add that there has been a push towards a lot more dismounted ASW capability, so dedicated hulls are not necessarily seen as critical (if you subscribe to that view).

                Personally I don't see the future gen ASW related dismounts as being useful for 5+ years yet.
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                • #83
                  USN announced today that LCS-2 Independence will formally commission in Mobile on January 16th

                  Revolutionary Ship Readies for Commissioning
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Rumrunner View Post
                    USN announced today that LCS-2 Independence will formally commission in Mobile on January 16th

                    Revolutionary Ship Readies for Commissioning
                    *Excellent!:)).
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                    • #85
                      LCS-3 will be named Fort Worth.

                      LCS-4 will be named Coronado.

                      We used to name Cruisers after cities. Now we're naming frigates after cities...:(
                      "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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                      • #86
                        I just recently learned that a friend of my brothers and myself has a step son thats a crew member aboard LCS-1 Freedom. I found that out by inquiring about an interesting hat he (friend) was wearing with the ships crest on it. Hats off to that young man being a crew member aboard the USN's newest hot rod.
                        Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                          LCS-3 will be named Fort Worth.

                          LCS-4 will be named Coronado.

                          We used to name Cruisers after cities. Now we're naming frigates after cities...:(
                          *Not a frigate but a hot rod.:))
                          Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                          • #88
                            Think there will be an export market for a slower version of the Freedom?

                            1. Who really needs 47 knots dash speed?
                            2. Downgrade the speed can cut down cost.
                            3. Less machinery, more room for other things.

                            Maybe AN/SPY-1K with ESSM, Harpoons, and a 57mm gun for a general purpose frigate?
                            "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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                            • #89
                              Both LCS classes are an interesting engineering exercise. There is potential with them darting about the Straits of Hormuz, taking on Iranian speed boats or in the far-east messing with Chinese subs. The concern is I think both of these ships LCS-1 (high center of gravity) and LCS-2 (aluminum) (both with small crews), will have glass jaws. These ships will have minimum ability to take battle damage (lightly built and lightly crewed).

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by gunnut View Post
                                LCS-3 will be named Fort Worth.

                                LCS-4 will be named Coronado.

                                We used to name Cruisers after cities. Now we're naming frigates after cities...:(
                                Actually, gunboats and patrol frigates were traditionally named after cities with major cities getting cruiser names. You didn't see small combatants being named after people until WWII when the destroyer escorts showed up on the scene (which were basically PFs with destroyer names. Same size, armament, speed, etc.)
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