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    All hail Darth Medveider and Emperor PalPutin!
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    In India I would say Indira Gandhi (Pre-emergency) and PV Narasimha Rao had the guts to push through their agendas and emerge shining.
    Two of the worst PM's India ever had, barring Deve Gowda, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knaur Amarsh View Post
    Two of the worst PM's India ever had, barring Deve Gowda, IMO.
    I am guessing that you would say the Emergency was the darkest hour of Post Independence India, and I would totally agree. Also her economic policies SUCKED big time.

    That is why I stated pre emergency; she did do a good job on the 1971 war. Most of our current batch would have folded like wet paper

    About PV Narasimha Rao, he did not let a wafer thin majority stop him from radically changing Indian economy (or at least starting the process). That same team now has a comfortable majority and look at the damp squib budget that we just got

    His darkest hours were the Babri Masjid incident and the Hawala brouhaha, but I would mark most of our other PMs.

    VP Singh brought in poisonous caste politics. He and Chandra Shekhar led India to an economic crisis as the nation moved into 1991

    As for the other PMs, IK Gujral and Morarji Desai sold out RAW to Pakistan.

    Desai also removed the Right to Property from the Constitution, so now you have a government ordering peasants to turn over land in the name of industrialisation (Nandigram, Singur). I don't know enough about Charan Singh, but nothing seems to have happened to write home about during his term

    All in all, I would probably take PV Narasimha Rao with his flaws rather than the whole bunch of non-achievers I mentioned above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    Chakos,

    When one does not have an electorate to kick one in the nuts for nutty decision, I would imagine its easy to project strength. Russia, whatever else it might be, does not seems to be a proper democracy as of now.

    Ahmadinejad, another "strong" leader is finding out how tough public opinion can be and now has to cry to big daddy Khamenei. Other "strong" leaders haver either put up barriers for any opposition (like Chavez) or have folded (like Musharraf).

    I would have greater respect for a leader who can remain strong in the face of public opinion and do the right thing. In the democracies of the West and the East we have had such leaders - Lincoln, TR, FDR, Churchill, Thatcher, Reagan. In India I would say Indira Gandhi (Pre-emergency) and PV Narasimha Rao had the guts to push through their agendas and emerge shining.
    Lets not get too carried away in todays way of viewing things. Democracy and elections are all fluff in the long term. Noone looks down at the Romans for having an Emperor or the Persians for having a God King...

    Putin is like an old fashioned Emperor.. the end justifies the means. He took over a crumbling federation and through his own force of wills forged it back into an (albeit much smaller) empire again.

    Democracy aside the man is genuinelly loved by his subjects and he has improved their standards of living. He has increased the GDP of the Rus Fed as well as bringing back the pride the people once had.

    In all the old fashioned markers of what makes a good leader.. the man is a master. Democracy aside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chakos View Post
    Lets not get too carried away in todays way of viewing things. Democracy and elections are all fluff in the long term. Noone looks down at the Romans for having an Emperor or the Persians for having a God King...

    Putin is like an old fashioned Emperor.. the end justifies the means. He took over a crumbling federation and through his own force of wills forged it back into an (albeit much smaller) empire again.

    Democracy aside the man is genuinelly loved by his subjects and he has improved their standards of living. He has increased the GDP of the Rus Fed as well as bringing back the pride the people once had.

    In all the old fashioned markers of what makes a good leader.. the man is a master. Democracy aside.
    Once again there is a man in Rus. history , who basicly tells people that they are not fit to think and decide for themselves - and his subjects worship him for that.
    I have no admiration for the man.
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    I'm quite sure, there are more people in Russia thinking for themselves since decades.

    Although, every one can “decide for himself” as long as he does not throw Russia – an entity created through efforts and blood of millions of people throughout over a millennia - into breakup, turmoil and misery.

    That would real democracy “achieve” in Russia, IMO. But would it be really worth it? I don't know... Do you?

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    The world recognizes Putin's Roar of Power

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    Obama to meet powerful Putin for first time

    MOSCOW (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama meets Russia's most powerful politician, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, for the first time on Tuesday as part of a trip designed to improve relations between the world's top nuclear powers.

    Obama's meeting with the former KGB spy follows talks on Monday with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that produced agreements on a target for cuts in nuclear arms and a deal to let U.S. troops fly across Russia to fight in Afghanistan.

    On the second day of his visit to Russia, Obama is also due to deliver a major speech on democracy, the global economy and the U.S.-Russian relationship.

    Business leaders traveling with Obama want to use the visit to boost trade and investment. Russian trade with the United States was just $36 billion in 2008, the same amount as with Poland, and investment has lagged that of European competitors.

    Obama, who praised Medvedev as straightforward and professional, said before his trip that Putin still had one foot stuck in the Cold War, prompting a retort from the former Russian president who handpicked Medvedev as his successor.

    When asked about the center of power in Russia on Monday, Obama stuck closer to a diplomatic script on Medvedev and Putin, who stayed on as prime minister after anointing Medvedev and is the man who holds most political clout in Russia.

    "My interest is in dealing directly with my counterpart, the President (Medvedev), but also to reach out to Prime Minister Putin and all other influential sectors in Russian society," Obama told reporters.

    ACCORD ON NUCLEAR ARMS

    At a cordial news conference in the Kremlin's vast, gilded St Andrew's Hall on Monday, Obama and Medvedev spoke of their resolve to put differences behind them and focus on cooperating to solve global problems like the spread of nuclear weapons.

    Both mentioned the issues that still divide them -- Russia's opposition to Washington's plans for a missile defense shield in central Europe and U.S. insistence on Georgia's territorial integrity -- but stressed the positive aspects.

    The two leaders pledged to finalize a treaty by the year-end to cut the number of deployed nuclear warheads on each side to 1,500-1,675 from levels above 2,200.

    Russia said it would allow 4,500 flights a year carrying U.S. troops and weapons to Afghanistan to cross its territory free of charge, a move hailed by the U.S. side as showing Moscow's willingness to help in the war against the Taliban.

    "We have resolved to reset U.S.-Russia relations so that we can cooperate more effectively," said Obama.

    Medvedev described their talks as "very useful and open, business-like conversations" and said they would aim to build a U.S.-Russian relationship worthy of the 21st century.
    Obama to meet powerful Putin for first time - Yahoo! Canada News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grees View Post
    I'm quite sure, there are more people in Russia thinking for themselves since decades.

    Although, every one can “decide for himself” as long as he does not throw Russia – an entity created through efforts and blood of millions of people throughout over a millennia - into breakup, turmoil and misery.

    That would real democracy “achieve” in Russia, IMO. But would it be really worth it? I don't know... Do you?

    Is the Russian Federation for it´s people or is the people for the Rus. Federation ? Who owns who ?
    There is nothing special in ´blood of millions, centuries´ etc. - every nation in the world can say this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BD1 View Post
    Is the Russian Federation for it´s people or is the people for the Rus. Federation ? Who owns who ?
    There is nothing special in ´blood of millions, centuries´ etc. - every nation in the world can say this.
    But not every Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    I am guessing that you would say the Emergency was the darkest hour of Post Independence India, and I would totally agree. Also her economic policies SUCKED big time.

    That is why I stated pre emergency; she did do a good job on the 1971 war. Most of our current batch would have folded like wet paper


    About PV Narasimha Rao, he did not let a wafer thin majority stop him from radically changing Indian economy (or at least starting the process). That same team now has a comfortable majority and look at the damp squib budget that we just got

    His darkest hours were the Babri Masjid incident and the Hawala brouhaha, but I would mark most of our other PMs.


    VP Singh brought in poisonous caste politics. He and Chandra Shekhar led India to an economic crisis as the nation moved into 1991

    As for the other PMs, IK Gujral and Morarji Desai sold out RAW to Pakistan.

    Desai also removed the Right to Property from the Constitution, so now you have a government ordering peasants to turn over land in the name of industrialisation (Nandigram, Singur). I don't know enough about Charan Singh, but nothing seems to have happened to write home about during his term

    All in all, I would probably take PV Narasimha Rao with his flaws rather than the whole bunch of non-achievers I mentioned above.
    She was a corrupt authoratative meglomanic much like her sons and supporting the army's plans fully in 71 is her only major achievement, which she almost managed to nullify by her usual high handed handling of the Punjab insurgency. But if you must somehow try to potray her as someone who did the "right thing", then I suppose you can ignore the -ve aspects altogether and say she was a good "Pre-emergency" leader. As far as PM's themselves go however, the most corrupt of the lot was Narsimha Rao, guided by his occult adviser, Chandraswami. I ll agree he had the guts to push through his agenda, however his agenda itself was one of convenience and inaction. Here you have a PM who was sleeping during the Babri demolition (literally, kid you not, this was the official explanation given to Congress cadres who called him up during the whole episode, Mr. Rao is sleeping). I ll give MMS credit for the liberalisation, as for Rao, IMO he had no other choice, the rupee having been devalued to the point of defaulting. Overall, hardly someone who "emerged shining", unless you count in the corruption cases he managed to emerge unscathed out of. Gujral and Desai were freedom fighters, kindly old blubbering men who shouldn't have been in-charge of the nation, but at least they didn't have the reprehensible lack of personal integrity displayed by Gandhi and Rao. At best, a case of a bunch of non-achievers vs. a couple of power players whos actions were worse than the former and whose popularity is owed to what appeals most to the masses, power plays and authoratarian style of working.

    BUT this thread is not about Indian politics, you must atone for your sins and immediately post topless pictures of Emperor PalPutin for turning it into one
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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    You are good
    It's not me, it's year-old joke:
    YouTube - Star Wars and Russian Politicians

    P.S. Don't let Obama spend too much time with Putin. Putin has got total control over Bush with a single look in his eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUS View Post
    It's not me, it's year-old joke:
    YouTube - Star Wars and Russian Politicians

    P.S. Don't let Obama spend too much time with Putin. Putin has got total control over Bush with a single look in his eyes.
    I would pay for those two to get a room, though I would not be a fly on the wall even if someone pays me.

    Mind you, Knaur and Chakos would probably spend their fortunes for that privilege)))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grees View Post
    But not every Empire
    empires come and go. We both used to be under the Sov./Rus. empire, you seem to be residing where once was German Empire and before that Holy Roman Empire, maybe even Roman Empire (depending on your exact location in Germany). And we are talking the language of British Empire
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    Quote Originally Posted by BD1 View Post
    empires come and go. We both used to be under the Sov./Rus. empire, you seem to be residing where once was German Empire and before that Holy Roman Empire, maybe even Roman Empire (depending on your exact location in Germany). And we are talking the language of British Empire
    Well, true, and yet Russia is the only Empire from the list staying more or less alive for now. Maybe something was done right too?

    Those 70 years of Soviet Union are nothing in comparison to the long history of Russia. The ballast was dropped but the core is still there and only future will show, if the growth begins anew or a collapse follows.

    And that depends mostly on Russians themselves: if they can overcome population decline, economical, scientific and technological backlog and if they can convince their neighbours they are worthy and willing to be a leading force again. Yes, many IFs, but who knows what future prepares for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    I would pay for those two to get a room, though I would not be a fly on the wall even if someone pays me.

    Mind you, Knaur and Chakos would probably spend their fortunes for that privilege)))
    Mate ive always been a businessman.. i wouldnt spend my fortune to be the fly on the wall.. id rather spend yours

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