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  • UK blocks India’s UN move on Azhar

    1 Jun 2009, 0149 hrs IST, ET Bureau

    NEW DELHI: Britain has put a roadblock on India’s efforts to get Jaish-e-Mohammad founder Maulana Masood Azhar on the UNSC terror list. India’s
    request to put the JeM chief along with Lashar-e-Taiba intelligence chief Azam Cheema, who is an accused in the Mumbai train blasts, on the list has hit a hurdle after Britain asked for a confirmation of the evidence provided by India. China has also raised similar objections, but it is the British doublespeak that has angered India more and is being seen as an attempt by Britain to play both sides.

    China, sources point out, has been consistent in its position of trying to block such bids. It was China’s opposition that had kept the Jamaat-ud-Dawa and its chief Hafiz Mohammad Sayeed off the UNSC terror list for a long time. After the Mumbai terror attacks, even China could not block India’s renewed bid to proscribe the JuD as a Let front.

    After getting the JuD proscribed in December, India had then move to put Maulana Azhar, who was released by India in exchange for hostages of the hijacked IC-814 flight, on the UNSC terror list. Since the Jaish e Mohammad and LeT are already proscribed by the UNSC, New Delhi had hoped that complications would not arise in getting the two on the list even though it anticipated opposition from known quarters.

    However, it was certainly not anticipating Britain to seek more evidence. The British move is being seen as unpalatable considering that the UK has also been the target of a series of terror attacks.

    The British themselves have tried to justify their move by saying that they want to ensure that India has a foolproof case against Masood Azhar and Cheema. But this explanation has failed to find any takers in New Delhi which is confident of the case it has against Masood Azhar, who is accused of masterminding the Parliament attacks, and Cheema, who is wanted for the Mumbai train blasts.

    This episode has once again revived memories of Mr Miliband’s disastrous visit to India in January this year. Mr Miliband managed to kick up a diplomatic storm after he linked the resolution of the Kashmir issue to the Mumbai terror attacks. He was further accused of being arrogant during bilateral talks.

    In spite of the road block, India will continue with efforts to get the two on the UNSC list of terrorists and terror organisations, which was set up through the “Al Qaeda and Taliban Sanctions” resolution (1267). Individuals and groups on this list are subjected to a travel ban, freezing of accounts and a travel ban.

    India is keen to get the JeM chief on the UNSC list even though Pakistan has continued to express ignorance about his whereabouts. This is seen as one of the ways to put pressure on Pakistan. After the JuD was proscribed, Pakistan was forced to arrest Sayeed and take some preliminary action against the JuD, which had for long been operating as a charity organisation.
    UK blocks India?s UN move on Azhar- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times
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    considering that the UK has also been the target of a series of terror attacks.
    That is exactly why the UK isn't going to recognize him in a hurry. It's the same reason that India has been careful about what it says about AQ.

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    • #3
      The saddest part is how many other people could or will possibly die all in the name of political correctness. If the man is a known terrorist he does not need a date with the courts. Only a sniper, and save the people time,anguish and money or do we nee more expensive drawn out lessons in political correctness over rightousness. A win-win and move on too the next terrorist.;)
      Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
        The saddest part is how many other people could or will possibly die all in the name of political correctness. If the man is a known terrorist he does not need a date with the courts. Only a sniper, and save the people time,anguish and money or do we nee more expensive drawn out lessons in political correctness over rightousness. A win-win and move on too the next terrorist.;)
        Couldn't agree more. If only...

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        • #5
          With that tripe David Miliband in Foreign Office nobody expected anything better than this from her Majesty's government.

          The Brits have also been playing very ugly in Sri Lanka.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by axeman View Post
            That is exactly why the UK isn't going to recognize him in a hurry. It's the same reason that India has been careful about what it says about AQ.
            That's the Madrid line and reeks cowardice. This bunch of sickos are not going to give you a pass if you are nice to them, they will still cut your threat in the street, or blow you up.

            Might as well getthe civilized world against them

            "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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            • #7
              Originally posted by antimony View Post
              That's the Madrid line and reeks cowardice. This bunch of sickos are not going to give you a pass if you are nice to them, they will still cut your threat in the street, or blow you up.

              Might as well getthe civilized world against them

              I never said I supported the system. But think about it for a second. How do you think India will fare if the Al Qaeda decides to put it on its terror list ? AQ is not a group that America can pressure Pakistan not to fund/harbour. Heck, they can't even get Pakistan to drop LeT/JuD/whatever it's called now.

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              • #8
                OK, who really thinks that putting a some man/organization on the UN's list of terrorists is going to change anything on the ground?

                Pakistan Court Frees a Mumbai Attack Suspect

                LAHORE, Pakistan — A Pakistani court ordered the release Tuesday of Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, the leader of a banned Islamic group that was suspected of involvement in the terror attacks in Mumbai, India, last November.

                The ruling drew a sharp response from India, which counts Mr. Saeed’s group, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, among the alleged organizers of the Mumbai assault. More than 170 people died in the attacks.

                It also places the United States in a sensitive position as it presses Pakistan to take action against a growing insurgency, while persuading India, an ally that has a bitter history with Pakistan, to support the American effort.

                http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/wo...e.html?_r=1&hp
                Think about it this way: If the British had cooperated, you would be obliged to return the favor on some other - possibly real - issue. Now you don't. The value of the UN is in blocking, not facilitating - something that India should have learned 61 years ago.

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                • #9
                  I could not help but laugh at Hafiz getting released.
                  Serves right to the morons in the Indian Government. Hafiz must be feeling ashamed that he has a fight an adversary who wont even hit back.

                  Now all I have to do is wait for some more time to see more of my country men getting blow up or slaughtered all in the name of "India Pakistan both victims of terror"!

                  What would people expect be the result, when the judge was more concerned about India not implementing "1947 Kashmir Resolution",hence UN banning Hafiz cannot be justified/implemented!

                  Basically the Judge was also one of them!

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                  • #10
                    Well every body knew this was bound to happen and its a no surprise. The morons in the security establishments (policy makers) and the politicians have to grow a spine and pair of new balls around the wick. Why not try and assassinate the scums isnt it what used to happen in earlier days and even recently a Russian spy was assassinated.
                    It is so. It cant be otherwise

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by axeman View Post
                      I never said I supported the system. But think about it for a second. How do you think India will fare if the Al Qaeda decides to put it on its terror list ? AQ is not a group that America can pressure Pakistan not to fund/harbour. Heck, they can't even get Pakistan to drop LeT/JuD/whatever it's called now.
                      Regardless of what India says or does,we are on every hit list.

                      Might as well team up with governments and hit back as hard as we can.
                      "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Samudra View Post
                        With that tripe David Miliband in Foreign Office nobody expected anything better than this from her Majesty's government.

                        The Brits have also been playing very ugly in Sri Lanka.

                        The Brits have been playing it very smart.

                        Check out the story below.

                        Despite EU ban, UK sold weapons worth £13.6M to Lanka

                        LONDON: Amid diplomatic row between Britain and Sri Lanka over alleged rights abuses by the army, the UK sold sophisticated weapons worth over
                        13.6 million pounds to Colombo
                        during the last three years despite restrictions placed by the EU, a report said on Tuesday.

                        Britain transfered weapons, including armoured vehicles, machinegun components and semi-automatic pistols worth over 13.6 million pounds to Sri Lanka during the last three years of its bloody civil war with Tamil Tigers, Times said.

                        The sale of the weapons raises the question of whether they were used in the last five months of Sri Lanka's 26-year-old civil war, during which UN officials estimate that 20,000 civilians were killed, it reported.

                        It quoted Mike Gapes, a Labour MP who chairs the Commons Foreign Affairs Select Committee, saying "I think we need answers about what these were used for."

                        The sales were cleared despite the 1998 EU Code of Conduct on Arms Exports, which restricts transfers to countries facing internal conflicts or with poor human rights records and a history of violating international law.

                        According to the report, the sale was approved while the EU called for peace talks in Sri Lanka, saying that it did not support a military solution.

                        Despite EU ban, UK sold weapons worth £13.6M to Lanka - UK - World - The Times of India
                        Last edited by hammer; 02 Jun 09,, 19:40.
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                        • #13
                          Milliband is useless and here in the UK many people dont like him. The current labour government will probably be voted out in the next general election.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by antimony View Post
                            Regardless of what India says or does,we are on every hit list.

                            Might as well team up with governments and hit back as hard as we can.
                            Al Qaeda hasn't targetted us as yet. Most of the terror groups who have are from across the border.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by axeman View Post
                              Al Qaeda hasn't targetted us as yet. Most of the terror groups who have are from across the border.
                              You're greatly mistaken my friend. The AQ/Taliban hand in the Indian airlines hijacking a decade ago blew that theory to bits. The greatest connection of them all, Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, the man responsible for the murder of Daniel Pearl. The Indian airlines hijacking was used by the terrorists to free this monkey, along with Masood Azhar and Mushtaq Ahmed. So your theory that AQ hasn't targeted India is somewhat flawed. AQ/Taliban/LeT/ISI/HuJI/JuD all share the same bed.

                              As for the UK, well, I don't know why its so surprising. They've only done what they've been doing since 47, nothing different. ;) The ISI was a British advent. The PAF was a British re-advent, and heck, Pakistan was a British advent! A little bit of inductive reasoning on British action in SA, and you can pretty much read the overall British South Asian policy.
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