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    this was just too hilarious!!!

    A Pakistani view of U.S. nuclear weapons | Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
    A Pakistani view of U.S. nuclear weapons
    By Hugh Gusterson | 4 February 2008

    "The [U.S.] Air Force has made substantial changes in its handling of nuclear weapons in the wake of a B-52 flight last August during which the pilots and crew were unaware they were carrying six air-launched cruise missiles with nuclear warheads."

    -- "Air Force Alters Rules for Handling of Nuclear Arms," Washington Post January 25, 2008.

    ISLAMABAD, PAKISTAN, JANUARY 25--At a press conference in Islamabad today, Pakistani Brig. Gen. Atta M. Iqhman expressed concern about U.S. procedures for handling nuclear weapons. Iqhman, who oversees the safety and security of the Pakistani nuclear force, said that U.S. protocols for storing and handling nuclear weapons are inadequate. "In Pakistan, we store nuclear warheads separately from their delivery systems, and a nuclear warhead can only be activated if three separate officers agree," Iqhman said. "In the United States, almost 20 years after the end of the Cold War, nuclear weapons still sit atop missiles, on hair-trigger alert, and it only takes two launch-control officers to activate a nuclear weapon. The U.S. government has persistently ignored arms control experts around the world who have said they should at least de-alert their weapons."

    Iqhman also questioned the adequacy of U.S. procedures for handling nuclear weapons. He expressed particular concern about the August 29, 2007, incident in which six nuclear weapons were accidentally loaded under the wing of a B-52 by workers who did not observe routine inspection procedures and thought they were attaching conventional weapons to the B-52. The flight navigator should have caught their mistake, but he neglected to inspect the weapons as required. For several hours the nuclear weapons were in the air without anyone's knowledge. "The United States needs to develop new protocols for storing and loading nuclear weapons, and it needs to do a better job of recruiting and training the personnel who handle them," Iqhman said.

    Iqhman added the Pakistani government would be willing to offer technical advice and assistance to the United States on improving its nuclear weapons handling procedures. Speaking anonymously because of the issue's sensitivity, senior Pentagon officials said it is Washington's role to give, not receive, advice on nuclear weapons safety and surety issues.

    Iqhman pointed out that the August 29 event was not an isolated incident; there have been at least 24 accidents involving nuclear weapons on U.S. planes. He mentioned a 1966 incident in which four nuclear weapons fell to the ground when two planes collided over Spain, as well as a 1968 fire that caused a plane to crash in Greenland with four hydrogen bombs aboard. In 1980, a Titan II missile in Arkansas exploded during maintenance, sending a nuclear warhead flying 600 feet through the air. In a remark that visibly annoyed a U.S. official present at the briefing, Iqhman described the U.S. nuclear arsenal as "an accident waiting to happen."

    Jay Keuse of MSNBC News asked Iqhman if Pakistan was in any position to be lecturing other countries given Pakistani scientist A. Q. Khan's record of selling nuclear technology to other countries. "All nuclear weapons states profess to oppose proliferation while helping select allies acquire nuclear weapons technology," Iqhman replied. "The United States helped Britain and France obtain the bomb; France helped the Israelis; and Russia helped China. And China," he added coyly, "is said by Western media sources to have helped Pakistan. So why can't Pakistan behave like everyone else?"

    Iqhman's deputy, Col. Bom Zhalot also expressed concern about the temperament of the U.S. public, asking whether they had the maturity and self-restraint to be trusted with the ultimate weapon. "Their leaders lecture us on the sanctity of life, and their president believes that every embryo is sacred, but they are the only country to have used these terrible weapons--not just once, but twice. Paul Tibbets, the pilot of the plane that bombed Hiroshima, said he never lost a night's sleep over killing 100,000 people, many of them women and children. That's scarcely human."

    While Iqhman glared reproachfully at Zhalot for this rhetorical outburst, Zhalot continued: "We also worry that the U.S. commander-in-chief has confessed to having been an alcoholic. Here in Pakistan, alcohol is 'haram,' so this isn't a problem for us. Studies have also found that one-fifth of U.S. military personnel are heavy drinkers. How many of those have responsibility for nuclear weapons?"

    John G. Libb of the Washington Times asked if Americans were wrong to be concerned about Pakistan's nuclear stockpile given the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in Pakistan. Colonel Zhalot replied: "Millions of Americans believe that these are the last days and that they will be raptured to heaven at the end of the world. You have a president who describes Jesus as his favorite philosopher, and one of the last remaining candidates in your presidential primaries is a preacher who doesn't believe in evolution. Many Pakistanis worry that the United States is being taken over by religious extremists who believe that a nuclear holocaust will just put the true believers on a fast track to heaven. We worry about a nutcase U.S. president destroying the world to save it."

    U.S. diplomats in Pakistan declined comment.
    I rest my case.
    Last edited by Neutral; 20 May 09,, 14:03.

  • #2
    And we nutcases were losing our sleep over the possibility of the Talibs taking over the nukes. Silly we. ;):))
    sigpicAnd on the sixth day, God created the Field Artillery...

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    • #3
      Iqhman pointed out that the August 29 event was not an isolated incident; there have been at least 24 accidents involving nuclear weapons on U.S. planes. He mentioned a 1966 incident in which four nuclear weapons fell to the ground when two planes collided over Spain, as well as a 1968 fire that caused a plane to crash in Greenland with four hydrogen bombs aboard. In 1980, a Titan II missile in Arkansas exploded during maintenance, sending a nuclear warhead flying 600 feet through the air. In a remark that visibly annoyed a U.S. official present at the briefing, Iqhman described the U.S. nuclear arsenal as "an accident waiting to happen."
      Did all these "incidents" really happen?

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      • #4
        Yes.

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        • #5
          I can still sleep at night knowing that operational mistakes may be made by our own forces but I wouldnt be able to sleep at night knowing some religious minded terrorist had them in his hands. Completely different story altogether.;)
          Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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          • #6
            You know what, he actually makes a somewhat valid point..

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            • #7
              Well, after Pakistan has 60 years of experience handling nuclear devices, then they can tell us what to do.
              "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Steezy View Post
                You know what, he actually makes a somewhat valid point..
                Or shift focus away from himself. Its a main concern for many now as Pak has finally stood up to the Taliban. The question is just how safe are they, not the codes but the weapons themselves from infiltration.;)
                Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                • #9
                  "In the United States, almost 20 years after the end of the Cold War, nuclear weapons still sit atop missiles, on hair-trigger alert, and it only takes two launch-control officers to activate a nuclear weapon.

                  that is the idea;)
                  "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" B. Franklin

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                  • #10
                    In the United States, almost 20 years after the end of the Cold War, nuclear weapons still sit atop missiles, on hair-trigger alert, and it only takes two launch-control officers to activate a nuclear weapon.



                    And just think the subs that carry them can be anywhere at any given time although it takes the Captain and weapons Officer for a release that is after given permission and validated with all interlocking safety's. I certainly would be more concerned with some religious idiot that could release weapons of this nature based upon which religion you are or what religious laws you follow. And given Paks governments leaniency towards the Taliban IMO the officer should be more worried about that scenerio instead of the US because the launch by some idiot is going to bring about another launch headed in his own direction.;)
                    Last edited by Dreadnought; 20 May 09,, 18:14.
                    Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                    • #11
                      The Officer has tumbled both ways on the thick line between operational malfunctioning and fundamentalism fuctioning.
                      sigpicAnd on the sixth day, God created the Field Artillery...

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                      • #12
                        He also needs to remember the environment - 35 years of "cold war". There was a time when B-52's loaded with nukes were flying airborne alert 24 hours a day, for years on end. Accidents are bound to happen.

                        The failsafes built into the U.S. arsenal guarantees that the nukes will not hi-yield in any accident. They might fall apart, or the HE inside that compresses the nuke core might go, but no fission in an accident.

                        Interesting tidbit - the Little Boy uranium gun device was rejected as unsafe after only a handful were built, because in a crash, the inertia might drive the two fissile masses together, and go supercritical. But in 1945, the scientists KNEW it would work, and the war was pressing.

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                        • #13
                          It's a satire piece, just look at the names. And before questioning our resolve against the taliban, remember this NO one has paid a bigger price in this conflict ( I lost 2 of my own cousins fighting these bastards) than my nation has.

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                          • #14
                            We don't doubt your losses but we are confused as to why you're not fighting to win?

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                            • #15
                              Because in some parts of Pakistan there are people who approve the brand of Islam the terrorists promote.

                              Furthermore the terrorists (such as the local Taliban) are well-funded and have leadership. That’s not something you can say of the Pakistani government and Army.

                              The Pakistan government, such as it is now, is simply incapable of defeating the Islamic terrorists & it's not a matter of trying harder because they can't.

                              The country is headed for destabilisation because the people there are in complete denial about what's going on, IMO.

                              That’s the way I see it.

                              Nebula82.
                              Last edited by nebula82; 21 May 09,, 17:26.

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