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    House Passes Bill to Block Removal of Florida Woman's Feeding Tube
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    Published: March 17, 2005


    Filed at 1:45 p.m. ET

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress was immersed Thursday in the controversy over removing the feeding tube from a brain-damaged Florida woman whose husband has been given permission by a state court to let her die.

    Within hours of the Republican-controlled House's passage of a bill to block the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., announced the Senate would take up a separate bill to address the situation before leaving for its Easter recess on Friday.

    "The question is, should we allow her to be starved to death?'' Frist said Thursday in a Senate speech. "It has to do with the culture of life. And I believe this body is going to have to speak on this particular matter before we leave.''

    Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada said he sees potential problems with the legislation, but said he was willing to work with the Republicans to try and resolve them.

    Schiavo's husband has battled her parents over his efforts to allow her to die, which he contends she would prefer rather than live in a vegetative state.

    On Thursday, Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, filed an emergency motion at the Supreme Court to stop the removal of her feeding tube so lower courts can consider whether their daughter's religious freedom and due process rights have been violated.

    In Florida, the state House on Thursday began debating a bill aimed at keeping Schiavo's feeding tube in place. But the Senate was expected to take up its own bill later in the day, and the differences could be impossible to reconcile before Friday, some legislators have said.

    The House bill is more stringent. It would require that patients in a persistent vegetative state receive nutrition and hydration unless they had a living will or left specific oral instructions refusing the measures. The Senate bill would block the denial of food and water only in cases where family members disagreed on whether to keep it in place. Then, the patient would be kept alive unless he or she had expressed different wishes in writing.

    The House was expected to pass its version Thursday, giving the Senate a day to agree or send back its own version.

    Gov. Jeb Bush has strongly urged the Legislature to pass a bill that would save Schiavo, as it did in 2003. That law, which allowed Bush to order doctors to restore Schiavo's feeding tube six days after it had been removed, was later declared unconstitutional by the Florida Supreme Court.

    The bill in the U.S. House passed on a voice vote. It would move such a case to federal court. Federal judges have twice turned down efforts by the parents to move the case out of Florida courts, citing a lack of jurisdiction.

    Senate Republicans are introducing a separate bill to give Schiavo and her family standing in federal court, and they hope it can be debated on Thursday, a GOP aide said.

    Under the House legislation, a federal judge would decide whether withholding or withdrawing food, fluids or medical treatment from an incapacitated person violates the Constitution or U.S. law.

    It would apply only to incapacitated people who had not left directives dealing with being kept alive artificially and for whom a state judge had authorized the withholding of food or medical treatment.

    Schiavo, 41, suffered severe brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped temporarily, and court-appointed doctors say she is in a persistent vegetative state. Her husband, Michael Schiavo, says she told him she would not want to be kept alive artificially. Her parents disagree that was her wish and say she could improve with proper treatment.

    Florida Circuit Judge George Greer has granted Michael Schiavo permission to remove the feeding tube, a ruling a state appellate court upheld Wednesday. Without the feeding tube, which the state court allowed to be removed as early as Friday, Terri Schiavo would likely die in one to two weeks.

    "What's going on in Florida regarding Terri Schiavo is nothing short of inhumane,'' said House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., who introduced the bill with Rep. Dave Weldon, R-Fla.

    Some House members criticized the bill, which Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., called "a dangerously reckless way to deal with some serious issues.''

    "It does not deal just with feeding tubes. It would allow intervention in any decision affecting any kind of medical care. Read the bill,'' Nadler said.

    The Florida appeals court said in Wednesday's ruling that the issues the Schindlers' raised were not new ones and had been dealt with previously by numerous courts.

    "Not only has Mrs. Schiavo's case been given due process, but few, if any similar cases have ever been afforded this heightened level of process,'' Chief Judge Chris Altenbernd wrote.

    The court also rejected the Department of Children & Families' request for a 60-day stay while that agency investigates allegations that Terri Schiavo has been abused.
    This is a significant and disturbing development in this case. The implications of this bill will run wide. The current consensus is that removing a terminal patient's feeding tube is not euthanasia, but allowing a disease to take its course.

    I am especially disturbed by this comment:
    Her parents disagree that was her wish and say she could improve with proper treatment.

  • #2
    Thank god the republicans have stepped in. They obviously know more about the woman than her doctors and even her lawful husband.
    Word to the wise. Conservatives do not want you to have the power over your own life. If you are dying of some long and painfull death, the conservatives will not allow you to die on your terms, nor will they pay for the expensive proceedures to keep you alive, which in turn will drain the financial resources of your loved ones. If you want to die, all you have to do is kill someone else.(the more the better) Then a conservative would stand in line and fight for the opportunity to throw the switch so the chair can fry your @ss.
    Removing a single turd from the cesspool doesn't make any difference.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by bonehead
      Then a conservative would stand in line and fight for the opportunity to throw the switch so the chair can fry your @ss.
      And Libs stand in line to execute children. In a much less humane way too.

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      • #4
        The government blows enough cash, no reason to starve this chick. The husband is a real maggot, saw him on Larry King.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by bonehead
          If you want to die, all you have to do is kill someone else.(the more the better) Then a conservative would stand in line and fight for the opportunity to throw the switch so the chair can fry your @ss.
          That just goes to show how boneheaded your logic is. You would fight to keep a convicted murderer alive yet pull the feading tube from a handicapped woman whos own mother and father are trying to keep her alive!
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          • #6
            Fry the convicted murderers.
            Feed & keep alive the lady.
            Abolish abortion, except for life threatening cases of the mother.

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            • #7
              The same bill didn't pass in both houses, the tube is out.

              Personally I do not know whaere to stand on this issue. If she isn't in a "vegetative" state she shouldn't be starved, if she is though, her wishes should be carried out. What really scares me is that she is in a "vegetative" state and if people do have a "soul", it could be trapped. Either way, I don't want to "live" like that...
              No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
              I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
              even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
              He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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              • #8
                How can the libs not realize that she is dead? She isent going to come out of that coma. Shes brain dead. And even if she does come out of it she has no chance to a normal life, I heard on CNN that only around 40% of her brain still functions and none of that 40% controls normal life processes.

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                • #9
                  This case points out the absolute nessecity to have your wishes known, to your parents and children, to your spouce, to your doctor, and to your lawyer/will. Either you take the responcibility for yourself, or some selfrightous bastard in washington will be more than happy to decide your fate according to his and his party's principals and morals, not yours. Make your wishes known today. Tomarrow may be too late.

                  Patric brazil.
                  Don't think so. With very few exeptions, a convicted murdurer SHOULD die. Infact, the sentance should be carried out much sooner than it currently is. I was only pointing out that the only time conservatives "allow" people to die is when they are on death row. They relish having the power of deciding who lives and dies. They do not want individuals to have that kind of power over their own life. Liberals condone personal choice in the matter when an individual wants to die.
                  Removing a single turd from the cesspool doesn't make any difference.

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                  • #10
                    Whatever they decide, they need to leave it alone and stop torturing the poor woman.

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                    • #11
                      Bush bids to save feed-tube woman

                      Mrs Shiavo's parents and their supporters want to keep her alive
                      US President George W Bush has signed a law designed to force doctors to keep a severely brain-damaged woman alive.
                      The legislation was passed by both houses of Congress after an impassioned debate and approved by the president in the early hours of Monday.

                      It calls for a federal court to review the case of Terri Schiavo, who has been in a vegetative state for 15 years.

                      A judge in Florida is now considering whether to allow a feeding tube - removed on Friday - to be put back.

                      A decision is expected later on Monday.

                      It's is a sad day for everyone in this country because the US government is going to come in and trample all over your personal, family matters

                      Michael Schiavo
                      Husband


                      Your say: Who should decide?

                      Mrs Schiavo's father, Bob Schindler, who says his daughter is responsive, told reporters he had given her the news.

                      "I told her if she was ready, to take a ride to get some breakfast, and she gave a great smile," he said.

                      Mrs Schiavo's parents have spent seven years fighting to keep her alive, saying she can still lead a fulfilling life.

                      But her husband Michael, her legal guardian, petitioned to let her die.


                      Terri Schiavo has been in a vegetative state for 15 years

                      Mr Schiavo, who has since started a family with another woman, says his wife would not want to be kept alive in her current condition.

                      "This is a sad day for Terri," he told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Monday.

                      "But I'll tell you what: it's also is a sad day for everyone in this country because the United States government is going to come in and trample all over your personal, family matters."

                      'Substantial doubts'

                      Congress intervened after a Florida judge allowed the tube to be removed at her husband's request.

                      TERRI SCHIAVO CASE
                      Feb 1990: Mrs Schiavo collapses
                      May 1998: Mr Schiavo files petition to remove feeding tube, triggering legal battle
                      Feb 2000: Court rules to remove feeding tube
                      Oct 2003: Florida's lower house passes "Terri's Law", allowing governor to order doctors to feed Mrs Schiavo
                      Sept 2004: Florida Supreme Court strikes down law
                      Dec 2004: Case goes to US Supreme Court
                      Jan 2005: Court rejects petition
                      Mar 2005: Florida court again allows removal of tube


                      Timeline: Terri Schiavo case

                      Mrs Schiavo is expected to die within two weeks unless the Florida ruling is overturned and the tube reinserted.

                      Mr Bush returned early from a weekend in Texas to sign the bill, shortly after it was passed by the House of Representatives.

                      "In cases like this one, where there are serious questions and substantial doubts, our society, our laws, and our courts should have a presumption in favour of life," Mr Bush said in a statement.

                      Mrs Schiavo's sister welcomed the new law.

                      "We are very, very, very thankful to have crossed this bridge and we are very hopeful, very hopeful that the federal courts will follow the will of Congress and save my sister's life," said Suzanne Vitadamo.

                      'Duty to save life'

                      The Senate approved the bill on Sunday.

                      The BBC's James Coomarasamy says that during the debate many congressmen and women talked about their experiences of death.

                      Republicans said it was their duty to save a life that was still worth living.

                      If they did not act now, one said, Mrs Schiavo's blood would be on their hands.

                      Democratic opponents of the bill argued that it was wrong for Congress to play doctor or God and that overruling the state court's decision to allow the brain-damaged woman to die would set a worrying precedent.

                      Mrs Schiavo lapsed into her present state after her heart stopped beating temporarily in 1990.

                      The case has galvanised activists from both sides of the euthanasia debate.

                      The feeding tube has been removed twice before. Both times campaigners successfully launched moves to have it replaced.


                      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4367201.stm



                      Apparently the guy has been living with another woman for some time now... Does he want to ease his conscience or he really cares for his wife??
                      "They want to test our feelings.They want to know whether Muslims are extremists or not. Death to them and their newspapers."

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                      • #12
                        1990

                        Feb - Terri Collapses in her home

                        May - Terri discharged from Humana Hospital in St Petersburg, Florida.

                        Dec - Terri taken to California for experimental implant


                        1991

                        Feb - Terri moved to home with husband.

                        Jan - Terri moved to Bradenton Mediplex Rehabilitation Center.

                        Apr - Terri's condition is assessed as improving.

                        Apr - Terri's husband advised to move her to Gainesville Rehabilitation Center to receive advanced therapy to continue Terri's recovery.

                        Jul - Terri moved to Sable Palms Nursing Home.


                        1992

                        Aug - Terri awarded $250,000 in malpractice settlement.

                        Nov - Terri awarded $1.4 million in malpractice trial.

                        Nov - Michael Schiavo awarded $600,000 in malpractice trial.


                        1993

                        Feb - Michael Schiavo denies recommended rehabilitation treatment.

                        Feb - Schiavo and Terri's parents have falling out regarding lack of therapy for Terri.

                        Feb - Schiavo withholds medical information from Terri's parents.

                        Feb - Schiavo posts Do not Resuscitate order in Terri's medical chart.

                        Jun - Schiavo threatens Schindler family with lawsuit.

                        Aug - Schiavo orders medical staff not to treat Terri for potentially fatal infection.

                        Sep - Bob and Mary Schindler petition courts to remove Schiavo as Terri's guardian.

                        Nov - Schiavo admits in deposition that he knew withholding treatment of infection could result in Terri's death.


                        1994

                        Feb - Judge Penick dismisses guardianship suit.

                        Apr - Terri moved to Palm Gardens Nursing Home.


                        1995

                        Sep - Schiavo orders Palm Gardens not to treat Terri for potentially fatal infection.


                        1996

                        Jun - Terri's parents obtain court order for access to Terri's medical records.


                        1997

                        May - Judge Shames approves Schiavo action to remove Terri's nutrition and hydration.

                        Jul - Schiavo's engagement to Jodi Centonze announced.

                        Aug - Attorney Felos's letter notifying Terri's parents of action to remove Terri's nutrition and hydration.


                        1998

                        Jun - Guardian ad Litem appointed by court to investigate Terri's case.

                        Oct - Schiavo offers to donate Terri's inheritance to charity if family agrees to allow removal of her hydration and nutrition.

                        Dec - Guardian ad Litem recommends the court not approve Schiavo's petition.


                        1999

                        Feb - Attorney George Felos files bias charges against Guardian ad Litem.

                        Jun - Guardian ad Litem dismissed by the court.


                        2000

                        Jan - Judge Greer Conducts Terri’s Feeding Tube Removal Trial.

                        Feb - Greer Rules to Remove Nutrition Feeding Tube.

                        Feb – Affidavits filed by 3 doctors state Terri can swallow and is not PVS.

                        Feb - Greer denies petition to allow Terri swallowing tests.

                        Apr - Terri Moved from Palm Gardens Nursing Home to Hospice Facility.

                        Apr - Greer denies motion to return Terri to Palm Garden Nursing home.

                        Apr - Greer imposes restricted visitor list for Terri.

                        Jul - Appeal filed with Appellate Court to overturn Greer’s verdict.

                        Nov - Appellate Court Conducts Oral Arguments.


                        2001

                        Jan 25 - The appellate court upholds Judge Greer’s ruling to remove Terri's feeding..

                        Feb. 8 - Motion for an Appellate Court rehearing or clarification - Denied.

                        Mar 12 - Schiavo petitions to remove Terri’s feeding immediately.

                        Mar 23 - Florida Supreme Court denies motion with the to review Terri's case.

                        Mar 22 - Appellate Court issued a 30 day execution stay.

                        Mar 29 - Judge Greer moves up feeding removal date to April 20, 2001.

                        Apr 1 - The Appellate Court denies extending Terri's stay of execution.

                        Apr 12 - Attorney Anderson files motion disqualify Judge Greer.

                        Apr 16 - Judge Greer denies disqualification motion.

                        Apr 18 - The Florida Supreme Court refuses to hear Terri’s case & denies Stay.

                        Apr 19 - The Federal Court claimed the issue was beyond that court's jurisdiction.

                        Apr 23 - The US Supreme Court refused to hear Terri’s case.

                        Apr 24 - Terri Feeding was terminated.

                        Apr 25 - Schiavo bans Terri brother and sister from visiting Terri.

                        Apr 25 - Schiavo ex girlfriend (Cyndi) reveals Schiavo lied about Terri’s death wishes.

                        Apr 26 - Judge Greer refuses to hear new evidence about Schiavo’s lying.

                        Apr 26 - New evidence compels Civil court Judge Quesada to resume Terri's feeding.

                        Apr 30 - Schiavo files an emergency motion to have Terri's nutritional feeding stopped.

                        May 7 - Affidavit filed by Dr. Hammesfahr (neurology) states Terri is not in a PVS.

                        May 7 - Schiavo charged in the Civil Court with fraud.

                        May 8 - Schiavo ex girlfriend (Cyndi) refuses to testify for fear of Schiavo.

                        May 9 - The 2nd District Court of Appeals announces "Oral Arguments Hearing" date.

                        May 11 - Schiavo motion to negate Judge Quesada's order denied.

                        Jun 1 - Affidavits by five (5) Doctors were filed stating Terri was not in a PVS.

                        Jun 1 - Schiavo excused from rendering his deposition.

                        Jun 18 - Schiavo files an affidavit that Terri is in an irreversible vegetative.

                        Jun 21 - Chief Judge Demers gave Judge George Greer's Court authority to decide whether Terri should have any new medical evaluation or treatment.

                        Jun 25 - A three-member panel presided at the Appellate Court hearing.

                        Jul 11 - The Appellate Court ordered Greer court to conduct evidentiary hearings. The court denied Schiavo's attorneys request to order Terri's feeding stopped.

                        July 23 - Schiavo filed a motion for Judge Greer to immediately stop Terri's feeding.

                        Aug 7 - Judge Greer totally ignored or rationalized all the evidence presented to him. Orders Terri's feeding stopped on August 28, 2001.

                        Aug 10 - Attorney Anderson motion to disqualify Judge Greer denied.

                        Aug 14 - Greer denies request for Conducting Terri Medical Examinations.

                        Aug 16 - Attorney Anderson files a Notice of Appeal with the 2nd District Appeal Court.

                        Aug 17 - Judge Greer grants Terri a stay of execution until October 9, 2001.

                        Aug 20 - Schiavo files with the 2nd District Appeal Court to overrule Judge Greer stay.

                        Oct 7 - 2nd District Appeal Court orders Terri to be neurological tested.

                        Oct 23 - Schiavo files a motion to reverse the Appellate Court neurological tests order.

                        Nov 1 - The 2nd District Court of Appeals denies Schiavo's motion..

                        Nov 16 - Terri's medical testing plan will be determined before a mediator.

                        Dec 19 - Attorneys meet with a mediator in an attempt to agree upon the tests .


                        2002

                        Jan 18 - Mediated agreement failed, testing is back Greer’s courtroom to be resolved.

                        Jan 25 - Attorney Anderson petitioned the court for an evidentiary guardianship hearing.

                        Jan 29 - Judge Greer approved Schiavo's motion to cancel the evidentiary hearing.

                        Feb 7 - Schiavo files with the Florida Supreme Court to overturn the Appellate Court's October ruling which spared Terri's life.

                        Mar 14 - The Florida Supreme Court denied Michael Schiavo’s appeal.

                        Jun 19 - Schiavo objects to the medical and neurological testing.

                        Jul 1 - Judge Greer conducted a 3+ hr hearing involving three issues:
                        1. Schiavo’s Plan to Enroll Terri into a Medicaid Program
                        2 Termination of Schiavo's Attorney Fees
                        3. Equal Payment for Terri's Examining Doctors

                        Jul 10 - Court Hearing again was for the purpose of allowing certain medical tests that were requested to evaluate Terri’s true medical and neurological condition.

                        Jul 12 - Judge Greer ruled -not-to-pay- Terri’s doctors for their professional fees to examine Terri. Notably, in a previous hearing, Judge Greer -approved- payment for Schiavo’s doctors fees.

                        Jul 22 - Judge Greer approved three of Terri’s desired neurological tests and rejected a dozen other.

                        Aug 28 - Judge Greer established the dates for Terri's trial.

                        Oct 2 - Schiavo files petition to prohibit the media from seeing Terri’s recent neurological examination videotapes or airing the video’s to the public after they have been presented to the court as evidence.

                        Oct 2 - Schiavo petitioned the court to authorize Terri’s cremation.

                        Oct 11-22 Terri’s trial

                        Nov15 - Judge Greer conducted a hearing in response to a motion Attorney Anderson filed requesting time to investigate recent evidence suggesting Terri’s heart failure may have been caused by physical abuse.

                        Nov 22 - Greer orders Terri’s starvation death to begin on Jan 3, 2003.

                        Dec 9 - Attorney Anderson filed a ‘Notice of Appeal’ to the 2nd District Appellate Court.

                        Dec 9- Attorney Anderson filed a motion with Judge Greer to ‘stay’ the January 3rd feeding termination date.

                        Dec 10 - Schiavo filed a motion with Judge Greer to strike attorney Anderson’s motion to ‘stay,’ requesting a court hearing to argue his objection.

                        Dec 13 - Judge Greer acquiesced to Michael Schiavo’s attorney motion to conduct a hearing, which resulted in a ‘stay’ being granted, pending appellate resolution.

                        Dec 18 - Schiavo filed a motion with the 2nd District Appellate Court to overturn Judge Greer’s December 13th order.

                        Dec 23 - The 2nd Appellate Court denied Michael Schiavo’s attorney motion to overturn Judge Greer’s December 13, 2002 ‘stay’ order. Furthermore, the Appellate Court established filing dates and scheduled Appellate oral arguments to take place on April 4, 2003.


                        2003

                        Guardian Removal Petition Still Pending…
                        On November 15, 2002, attorney Anderson filed a petition with Judge Greer to remove Michael Schiavo as Terri’s legal guardian. The petition included a declaration of Adversary Proceedings, charging that Michael Schiavo violated a dozen or more specific Florida Statutes while serving in his capacity as Terri’s legal guardian.

                        Apr - Appellate Court Hearing.

                        Jun - Appellate Court Upholds Greer.

                        Jul - Appellate Court Denies Court Review and Stay.

                        Jul - Appellate Court grants 30 day stay.

                        Aug - Terri hospitalized under mysterious conditions, denied visits from her priest.

                        Sep - Emergency hearing to allow visitation and obtain current medical information.

                        Sep - Michael Schiavo ordered by court to give discharge summary to Terri's parents.

                        Sep - Judge Greer scheduled October 15, 2003 for the removal of Terri's sustenance.

                        Oct - 15 Terri's sustenance removed at Hospice Woodside in Pinellas Park, FL.

                        Oct - 20 Florida Legislature and Senate meet in special session Terri's bill is introduced.

                        Oct - 21 Terri's bill approved, signed into law. Governor Bush issues executive orderr.

                        Oct - 23 Michael Schiavo announces plans to sue Governor Bush and challenge Terri's Law as unconstitutional.

                        Oct - Dr. Jay Wolfson of Tampa, Florida assigned as independent Guardian ad Litem.

                        Nov - New Guardianship hearing in Sixth Circuit court.

                        Nov - Disability advocacy groups file Amicus Brief.

                        Nov - Judge Baird to hear case on Terri's Law. Governor not properly served in suit, appeals venue.

                        Nov - Governor Bush petitions to remove Judge W. Douglas Baird on suggestion of bias.

                        Dec - 3 Terri's birthday. Supporters convene at Woodside Hospice. Terri receives more than 1,000 birthday cards and gifts.

                        Dec - Governor Bush denied discovery in Schiavo v Bush. Governor denied subpoenaing witnesses.

                        Dec - 20 Guardian ad Litem dismissed by Judge Demers.

                        Dec - 22 Judge Baird rules that he will issue a summary ruling on Terri's law without a trial. His ruling is withheld until appeals by Governor Bush are ruled upon in the Second District Court of Appeals in Lakeland, Florida.


                        2004

                        Jan - 8, Judge Demers denies petition for reinstatement of Guardian ad Litem


                        There is her chronology...It might be niased,of course. I got it from a website dedicated to her...
                        "They want to test our feelings.They want to know whether Muslims are extremists or not. Death to them and their newspapers."

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                        • #13
                          ah...I wasn't aware of the malpractice awards. I was wondering why the husband was hanging in there for sooooo long instead of divorcing her. Did you notice the events after the money awards -- the refusing of treatment for her so she would die. He didn't want medical treatment eating up the award monies.

                          The 40% of her brain that is functioning is her awareness and/or emotional responses. The woman is not completely brain dead, nor is she on 100% life support. I have seen children born in worse shape than her, and they strap them to wheelchairs and send them off to special ed school everyday.

                          If the husband wants out....he should file for divorce. Terminating his wife's life should not be an option, like in the Peterson case. There are other members of the family, which Terri acknowledges, when they walk into the room, that bring joy to all of them.

                          The Government was right in exercising and exhausting all avenues available, until they could do no more. The rest is up to the man upstairs.

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                          • #14
                            I was wondering too........ Maybe the parents are wrong. But having seen the kind of man he is,I do not think the call is his to make...
                            "They want to test our feelings.They want to know whether Muslims are extremists or not. Death to them and their newspapers."

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                            • #15
                              She is brain dead, all that is left is her body. Let her die.

                              Everyone here knows that's what they would want if they were a vegetable.

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