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  • #61
    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    The strange thing in all of this is that the Chinese had made it clear that a military option is on their books and Kim has not moved one division north.
    OOE, Is this percieved to call Kims bluff?
    Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
      IMO, More then likely they are bored like everyone else with North Koreas posturing and rattling.
      True, you can only shout wolf so many times. Apparently KJI hasn't figured that out yet.

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      • #63
        I'm leaning towards S-2's comment we should have taken them in the 90's and this wouldnt even make headlines anymore. One things for sure Kim better do something to help protect NK because after his death the barbarians will no doubt be at the gates.;)
        Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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        • #64
          dreadnought,

          NK military will take over. they've all but done so in name anyways. what else can be expected when a country spends about 40% of its wealth on the military?
          There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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          • #65
            Originally posted by astralis View Post
            dreadnought,

            NK military will take over. they've all but done so in name anyways. what else can be expected when a country spends about 40% of its wealth on the military?
            A revolt.:));)
            Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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            • #66
              This is a insightful analysis from Reuters on the possible Japanese response to N Korea firing its missile.

              Q+A: Japan's possible response to North Korea rocket launch

              Mar 27, 2009 TOKYO (Reuters) - With North Korea planning to launch a long-range rocket early next month that will pass over Japan's territory, Tokyo ordered its military on Friday to intercept any dangerous debris that may fall on its territory should something go wrong.

              Following are questions and answers about Japan's reaction to the planned launch, which Tokyo, Washington and Seoul see as a disguised long-range missile test. North Korea says it plans to put a satellite into space:

              WHY IS JAPAN SO CONCERNED?

              Tokyo will have around 10 minutes notice if a missile or debris threatens its territory.

              The first booster rocket is expected to fall into the Sea of Japan and the second into the Pacific Ocean, but a failed launch or accident could result in one of the stages of the rocket, or bits of it, falling on Japan and endangering lives and property.

              IS JAPAN OR THE U.S. CAPABLE OF INTERCEPTING IT?

              Japan has interceptors theoretically capable of shooting down a missile aimed at its territory, but analysts are divided on whether it can intercept free-falling debris that may fall toward Japan.

              Japan has two Aegis-equipped destroyers carrying Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) interceptors capable of shooting down a ballistic missile outside the Earth's atmosphere.

              Six ground-based Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) interceptors provide back-up protection as the missile returns to earth. ...

              IS JAPAN LIKELY TO TRY AN INTERCEPTION?

              Japan's constitution does not allow it to intercept a missile if it is clearly heading elsewhere. But it would try to shoot down a missile aimed at Japanese territory and might try to intercept any debris that falls toward Japan.

              The potential risks of shooting down the rocket in flight are enormous, because North Korea has warned it would see such a move as an act of war.

              The defense minister on Friday formally ordered the military to destroy any falling object that poses a threat to Japan -- a necessary legal step.

              Some analysts have dismissed Tokyo's move to prepare for possible interception as diplomatic posturing.

              WHAT WOULD A SUCCESSFUL NORTH KOREAN TEST MEAN FOR JAPAN?

              If the North's planned launch succeeds, Tokyo is likely to enhance its existing missile defense system.

              Japan's efforts to develop its missile defenses in cooperation with Washington have accelerated since 1998 when the North's firing of a missile over Japan stunned the region.

              But given the huge debt that limits its fiscal resources, Japan's defense budget is unlikely to increase rapidly, especially when Tokyo is focusing on economic stimulus. ...

              WHAT RISKS ARE THERE FOR JAPAN PREMIER ASO?

              For unpopular Prime Minister Taro Aso, who must call an election by October, the launch could provide an opportunity to demonstrate leadership and good crisis management skills.

              Any signs of mismanagement or dithering could hurt his already low support ratings.

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              • #67
                You know, you get so sick and tired of NK saying this is an act of war and thats an act of war maybe she should just get dragged into one, break their military and break their economy and then go stand them in the corner like the child she is.Lets see how long that regime hold power then.;)
                Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                • #68
                  Dear Japan

                  NK's been preparing for this day for decades.



                  Bring on the heat, The Godfather doesn't fear death.

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                  • #69
                    North Korea makes new threat!

                    North Korea, which has issued numerous threats concerning the launch, used some of its strongest language in its latest rhetorical blast, with a spokesman for the North's military saying it will "deal a retaliatory lightening of fire" against Japan if it tries to shoot down the rocket.

                    "If Japan recklessly 'intercepts' the DPRK's (North Korea's) satellite for peaceful purposes, the Korean People's Army will mercilessly deal deadly blows not only at the already deployed intercepting means but at major targets," the spokesman was quoted as saying by the North's KCNA news agency.
                    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/0...us_korea_north

                    I love how they have the international community on their toes, "April 4th to 8th" lmao

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                    • #70
                      "If Japan recklessly 'intercepts' the DPRK's (North Korea's) satellite for peaceful purposes, the Korean People's Army will mercilessly deal deadly blows not only at the already deployed intercepting means but at major targets," the spokesman was quoted as saying by the North's KCNA news agency.



                      *Which will result in NK getting crushed like a tin can and kicked back over the 38th parallel like a piece of trash since you have a US CVBG stationed there if they in fact are attacked. The last thing Kim wants is someone to call his bluff and rhetoric.;)
                      Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                      • #71
                        I'm kind of surprised we only have ONE CSG in the area; with eleven carriers in operation (including the CSG forward-deployed in Japan), we could certainly afford to keep at least two CSG's on-station in the Western Pacific.
                        "There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Stitch View Post
                          I'm kind of surprised we only have ONE CSG in the area; with eleven carriers in operation (including the CSG forward-deployed in Japan), we could certainly afford to keep at least two CSG's on-station in the Western Pacific.
                          There are but USS Washington is stationed in Yokosuka Japan with her group while the other roams and conducts drills and so fourth with other ships and other navies.
                          Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                          • #73
                            Sometimes it feels like I'm the only one that knows all that's going to happen is NK will launch a satellite into space, nobody will do anything because nobody needs to do anything and then people will just continue to murmur about NK having long range missile capability.

                            The amount of things that would have to go wrong for Japan to shoot down, even a piece of random ejected rocket debris (a stage of the rocket) is quite slim, and if Japan did that, it wouldn't even matter to anyone as all they're doing is destroying a piece of ejected empty rocket. And the chance of Japan having to shoot down the rocket in its entirety (which would rile up NK) is so much more slim that you might aswell not talk about it.

                            It's all just silly talk from silly politicians, who just want to further enhance their personal political careers and play a "good guys vs bad guys" sort of playground game.

                            Funny how, on the Japanese side, it's gone from:

                            "We'll shoot down the rocket if it passes over Japan no matter what, end of story"

                            to

                            "We'll shoot down the rocket, if it looks abit weird, we'll have to see, and/or we'll shoot down any parts of the rocket that might fall on our territory, if we can....maybe, as it might be dangerous if it lands on someone....maybe"

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                            • #74
                              wait and see...............


                              China Is Trying to Stop North Korea Rocket Launch, AP Reports
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                              By Stuart Biggs

                              April 3 (Bloomberg) -- China is trying to persuade North Korea not to go ahead with a planned rocket launch and is urging calm among countries in the region, the Associated Press reported, citing a Japanese official.

                              China is trying various measures to stop the launch, which may come as early as tomorrow, AP said, citing an aide to Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso after he met with Chinese President Hu Jintao in London at the Group of 20 summit yesterday.

                              North Korea said last month it plans to fire a rocket carrying a satellite into orbit between April 4 and 8. Japan and South Korea suspect the launch is a cover for a test of a long- range ballistic missile, which would be a breach of a United Nations resolution, and urged North Korea to abandon the plan.

                              North Korea has stepped up its rhetoric in recent days threatening military attacks should any attempts be made to shoot the rocket down.

                              To contact the reporter on this story: Stuart Biggs in Tokyo at [email protected].
                              http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...cQ&refer=japan
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                              • #75
                                I thought Iran got its missile technology from N Korea. Now N Korea is getting help and advice back from Iran?

                                N KOREA LIKELY TO EMULATE IRAN'S SUCCESSFUL ROCKET LAUNCH

                                SEOUL, Apr 02, 2009 (AsiaPulse via COMTEX) -- North Korea will likely succeed in its impending rocket launch as it has probably addressed most of its technical glitches through cooperation with Iran, experts said Thursday.

                                Iran denies it has any relation with North Korea in missile development, but U.S. officials and analysts say intelligence points to extensive cooperation.

                                Quoting a government source, Japanese media recently reported that a team of Iranian rocket scientists is in North Korea ahead of the launch of what Pyongyang calls a satellite between April 4-8.

                                Iran sent its own communications satellite, Omid, into orbit on February 2, just weeks before North Korea announced its launch plan. North Korea had failed in an earlier test of an intercontinental ballistic missile in July 2006.

                                "After the successful launch of the Iranian space launch vehicle, it is believed that the causes of the previous failure of (North Korea's) Taepodong-2 have been removed," Kim Byung-yong, a researcher at the state-funded Korea Institute for Defense Analyses, said .....

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