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    Serving the the Vietnam war, Australia used Centurion tanks as it's main battle tank. Later, German Leopard (1) tanks were bought to replace them.
    Did the Centurion's need to be replaced or just ungraded?
    What happened to these tanks when they were replaced?

  • #2
    I think about 20 of the centurions were sent to the US to be in some HollyWood movie about the first Gulf War.......sorry carnt remember the name of the movie, maybe some of our friends will know.....

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dfg209 View Post
      Serving the the Vietnam war, Australia used Centurion tanks as it's main battle tank. Later, German Leopard (1) tanks were bought to replace them.
      Did the Centurion's need to be replaced or just ungraded?
      What happened to these tanks when they were replaced?
      All centurions are still in Oz in storage. They've never been offshore. (legal reasons even though they are demobbed)
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      • #4
        The movie was called ...Courage Under Fire ...staring Denzel Washington......

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        • #5
          Originally posted by timebandit View Post
          The movie was called ...Courage Under Fire ...staring Denzel Washington......
          They wouldn't have got export permits to go offshore - and it would have been cheaper for the director to use a dodgey looking M-60 with slab sides etc...

          I don't recall seeing any Centurions in the movie - (in the night time battles) - and their profile is too obvious for use during the day. (OK if you're doing the Six Day War, but a no go for a GW re-enactment) :)

          If you want me to be sure I can ask my daughter - she's been an armourer for a few movies and knows all the main guys pulled in. she's worked for a few of them so is pretty well connected.
          Last edited by gf0012-aust; 24 Jan 09,, 09:20.
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          • #6
            i saw on some TV-show on Discovery how 2 brothers operated a business that modified armored vehicles for movies. AFAIR they had Centurions, modified to something resembling a M1.
            If i only was so smart yesterday as my wife is today

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            • #7
              Originally posted by braindead View Post
              i saw on some TV-show on Discovery how 2 brothers operated a business that modified armored vehicles for movies. AFAIR they had Centurions, modified to something resembling a M1.
              they usually use T-72's. they're cheaper (atm sanitized T-72's "retail" for about $45k USD. They wouldn't get an export permit to get a centurion out of Aust.

              When we built armoured cars for kuwait they were manifested as "police cars" to get around nervous pollies.

              When military hardware is sold privately there are specific caveats in place on where and what they can do with them - a military platform like a armoured vehicle, even when demobbed is restricted. We couldn't even send them to NZ.
              Last edited by gf0012-aust; 24 Jan 09,, 12:14.
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              • #8
                IMDB says that these were aussie centurions
                http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115956/trivia

                http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0....html#abstract

                i´d love to have one actually....
                If i only was so smart yesterday as my wife is today

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by braindead View Post
                  IMDB says that these were aussie centurions
                  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115956/trivia

                  http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0....html#abstract

                  i´d love to have one actually....
                  It will take me a while but I'll check up and see (if it happened in the end) and who arranged it - my prev on the issue of arranging and getting an export permit still stands.

                  I have to say that I am very very surprised as I know of specific events where unique small arms went through miles and miles of red tape etc..... and sometimes never got up. esp as this was also around the time of Port Arthur Massacre and there was a lot of angst re the sale/rent use of ex military hardware.

                  Actually, the tech adviser for the film is Rory Aylward. He's on Facebook. For Security reasons we're not permitted to be on Facebook, so if someone else has got an account they could ask him for his recall of what he had to do... Note, he is back in Afghanistan as a member of a Provisional Reconstruction Team - so he might take a while to respond. :)
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                  • #10
                    Check wikipedia.....Courage Under Fire......I wonder what will happen to the Leopard 1.....probably mothball them.......

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by timebandit View Post
                      Check wikipedia.....Courage Under Fire......I wonder what will happen to the Leopard 1.....probably mothball them.......
                      I would rather stab my eyes out with knitting needles than use wiki as a reference. :) But I accept that you have another source.

                      The leo's are in storage - and they have export restrictions on them, cannot be sold privately (and have had a number of rejections to date from military collectors).

                      they're destined for museums, gate guards and the knackery
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                      • #12
                        Funny how we choose refurbished Abram's instead of surplus Leopard 2's, for replacing the Leopard 1's.
                        Last edited by dfg209; 25 Jan 09,, 03:49.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dfg209 View Post
                          Funny how we choose refurbished Abram's instead of surplus Leopard 2's, for replacing the Leopard 1's.
                          why?

                          they're zero framed, the Leo 2's were not (guess whats better)

                          and contrary to all the media BS, they can cross bridges in aust, have been trained adelaide to darwin and fit on our planes (C-17's) - and the usual pearler that they're too heavy? it's about 4 metric tonnes difference. (the problem with the media is that they didn't bother to do the conversions and assumed that US tons is a metric tonne)

                          they've got APU's (the Leo's didn't)
                          they're actually cheaper to run as they run off the APU's at idle (most of their working life will be at idle unless they're racing across to engage something)

                          much ado about nothing. and one of the reasons why there is an embarassing shortage of military savvy journos in Oz. They've got no frigging clue about the subject matter that they often attempt to wax lyrical about.
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                          • #14
                            Abrams uses Turbines : Means high fuel consumption, yet a high output of power. Turbines require special parts because they are somewhat delicate, specially trained engineers. A single grain can tear a turbines blades to bits.

                            Leo 2 uses a diesel engine: Cheap, easy to maintain, reliable, but not the same power to weight ratio as a turbine.

                            As far as I know Leo's are cheaper, (Surplus ones should be cheaper, yes?) and almost twice as fast. They can operate longer distances, although they use different armour to the abrams, but it stood up to an IED attack in service with the Canadians.

                            Just because something doesn't have fame, doesn't mean to say it's the worst.
                            Last edited by dfg209; 25 Jan 09,, 04:31.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dfg209 View Post
                              abrams uses turbines : Means high fuel consumption, yet a high output of power. Turbines require special parts because they are somewhat delicate, specially trained engineers. A single grain can tear a turbines blades to bits.
                              bs!
                              All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
                              -Talmud Kohelet Rabbah, 7:16.

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